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[Tubie]

The only way the RNC stops Trump is to somehow make this a 2 man race.

Even if it goes down to 3 Trump will be nominee.

 

[Inuhanyou]

And what help the GOP win?

That's what you want?

I want to ask you fairly, and this is a fair question so know i'm not trying to be condescending.

Why do you think Bernie Sanders is running? To support the Democrats, or to support the ideas he thinks best represents the people?

The GOP are already winning the messaging war. The Democrats have moved so far in their direction, the Dems themselves have no real message of their own besides 'yeah well on a few social issues...i guess we're not insane'.

They have already ceded the economic progressive angle, and have actively fought to dispel any possibility of there being a problem in that area to begin with, along with any notion of a crisis of corruption in the political system destroying democracy(one of the previous key economic messages they held against the GOP when Citizen's United was passed).

This needs to be addressed and its a simple fact; The Democratic party winning in 2016 if it is not Bernie Sanders, is not only never going to change that, but they are never going to acknowledge that again, because that influence is too great.

And so then the question for the citizen and those who still want to continue the fight only becomes, where does the challenge come from? Does it come from inside the party again, or does it come from beyond the party?

Bernie Sanders already has a groundswell of support, and although he may not have enough time to win the Democratic nomination, his support across the country is undoubtedly growing at a brisk pace, and he can give it the opportunity to grow himself if he runs independently.

His support structure and organizational structure will still exist, so he would need to make a decision quickly, but i think it would be the right one to consider.

 

[Crocodile]

Cruz just eeked ahead a bit.

Rubio isn't gaining any momentum from this. Basically tying for second/third isn't momentum building...

The media will spin it that way because they (at least the conservative media) have a raging boner/wet pussy for the guy.

 

[Nokagi]

I'm just totally dumbfounded by Trump. After each fuck up or stupid comment I think well he's probably done now but nope this asshole just comes on stronger. It's insane. He really can not be stopped.

 

[Fugs Nugget]

If I was the head of the Republican party, I'd pretty pretty livid right now. Trump hijacking your party. lol

That's what they get for ignoring the base.

I'm hoping the Republican Party eventually goes the way of the Wigs so fiscally conservative people are no longer conflated with religious zealot nut jobs.

 

[Azure Dream]

The problem is absolutely with them if they are extremely misinformed and ignorant of what her policy, record is, and are hell bent on portraying her as nothing short of evil incarnate.

You know, if you used that same answer to talk about Sanders, it would be tagged "Bernsplaining" in a heartbeat.

 

[Kyosaiga]

I'm just totally dumbfounded by Trump. After each fuck up or stupid comment I think well he's probably done now but nope this asshole just comes on stronger. It's insane. He really can not be stopped.

Trump is like a Saiyan when they get near death in DBZ. He just comes back stronger and stronger.

 

[mreddie]

I'm just totally dumbfounded by Trump. After each fuck up or stupid comment I think well he's probably done now but nope this asshole just comes on stronger. It's insane. He really can not be stopped.

Dude took advantage of what the GOP was ignoring, and ran with it.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Seeing that little pixel Trump painting over Rubio counties is a beautiful thing.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The only way the RNC stops Trump is to somehow make this a 2 man race.

Even if it goes down to 3 Trump will be nominee.

In a two man race it means Cruz dropped out, which means Trump wins by a landslide. The share the same base, mostly.

The establishment, if they intend to win, need to force everyone but Trump, Cruz and whoever they want to win. They ultimately have to put Trump against Cruz for the anti-establishment votes, while one candidate grabs the establishment.

But they won't do that. Jeb will stay in because he has the cash to, and Kasich has the mid west he's banking on.

The media will spin it that way because they (at least the conservative media) have a raging boner/wet pussy for the guy.

Last time he won third and they tried spinning it that way it didn't do anything.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Warren has gotta be kicking herself for not jumping in. She is a much stronger candidate than Sanders and would've pulled this off easily.

 

[Wreav]

Warren has gotta be kicking herself for not jumping in. She is a much stronger candidate than Sanders and would've pulled this off easily.

We need her right where she is for now.

 

[Blader]

Seems obvious listening to Hill talking vs listening to Bern. Count the amount of times Hill says "I", "me", or "mine" vs the amount of times Bern says "you", "we", or "ours".

Um, sure. Why don't you get back to me with those hard numbers on each candidate's use of "I" vs "we."

That was some good selective quoting, too. You probably wouldn't have had to post at all if you bothered to read the rest of what I wrote.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Will be really interesting to see if bush, kasich and carson gets out. Kasich it seems like he is staying in for VP maybe, or at least until ohio. Bush isn't going to get out because his bank is so full of funders, and carson is just on a book tour.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Seeing that little pixel Trump painting over Rubio counties is a beautiful thing.

The quotes make it all the better.

The only way the RNC stops Trump is to somehow make this a 2 man race.

Even if it goes down to 3 Trump will be nominee.

Trump is not as many people's second choice compared to Rubio and Cruz so a two man race will really do it. You might be right that a Trump/Rubio/Cruz battle might split it in Trump's favor, but I wonder where Kasich and Jeb supporters go.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Still really hoping for a Trump-Cruz-Rubio. Ideally, Jeb would do better and stay in, but that doesn't seem likely.

Given that he's such a big fat mess.

 

[Mecha]

Rubio keeps on celebrating over 3rd place victories, kind of sad.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Cruz's lead over Rubio is slowly widening.

 

[FiggyCal]

As a queer person myself, I dislike the shaming that comes from Democrats toward people who call out the similarities between the two parties.

Intersectionality is a pretty important concept in modern feminism and queer rights movements. A (too often) overlooked category of oppression and privilege is class. Considering that Democrats largely serve the interests of the ruling class, and the vast majority of queer and transgender people are not ruling class, the overall policies of the Democratic Party are harmful to most LGBTQ+ people. It cannot be understated that queer people are more severely affected by poverty and homelessness, or that the well-being of poor transgender people is largely dependent on medical procedures that they may never be able to afford. What hurts the poor and disadvantaged hurts queer people even more. The Democrats will continue to deny us proper healthcare and free access to the means of survival, while maintaining a rigid class structure that oppresses everyone and affects minorities more harshly than their straight/white/cis counterparts.

It's true that Republicans will do more damage to us in the short-term with hateful discriminatory laws; but it's important to realize that they only do this to gain favor among their reactionary voter base. Getting people to hate us and blame us for the moral degeneration of society distracts people from noticing those who are really screwing us over. The ruling class. Protecting the interests of this class at the expense of everyone else is precisely what Democrats and Republicans alike both do.

I agree. But eh... the talk about ruling classes kind of takes away from what you're really trying to say. It's distracting and sounds conspiratorial.

 

[Rootbeer]

I'm just totally dumbfounded by Trump. After each fuck up or stupid comment I think well he's probably done now but nope this asshole just comes on stronger. It's insane. He really can not be stopped.

One of my best friends from high school asked me who I was voting for. I told him Sanders or Hillary. He told me Trump.

He likes that Trump wants to build a wall separating us from Mexico, and thinks he's a stronger, don't take shit from anyone kind of leader our country needs.

I just didn't know what to say... I had to change the subject back to something we had in common cause he was about to lose my full and total respect, LOL.

Trump supporters... they're out there.

 

[Raxus]

Will be really interesting to see if bush, kasich and carson gets out. Kasich it seems like he is staying in for VP maybe, or at least until ohio. Bush isn't going to get out because his bank is so full of funders, and carson is just on a book tour.

Kasich and Carson perhaps but Bush will last up until Super Tuesday. He has invested too much money in this.

 

[sphagnum]

No.

Fuck that copout answer.

The problem is absolutely with them if they are extremely misinformed and ignorant of what her policy, record is, and are hell bent on portraying her as nothing short of evil incarnate.

Not everyone who doesn't want to vote for Hillary dislikes her because they view her as "evil incarnate". It's Hillary's job as a candidate to show to voters why she deserves their vote. No politician automatically deserves someone's votes. None. That is giving up your democratic right and making you nothing more than a tool for a political party. The party must reflect the will of its base, not the other way around.

What she ought to do is actively try to court Bernie supporters after this is all over rather than just assume that they'll fall in line (I think the majority will, but she can't take that for granted because it will come off as egotistic).

Like I said, I want Bernie voters to vote for Hillary in the end if it will help beat Trump. I do not want them, however, to simply become tools of the Democratic Party. Politicians, like all things in life, tend towards mediocrity and inaction. Only mass action forces change. Remember Roosevelt? "'I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it"? Same concept. If our votes inevitably come down to "Well the GOP is worse, I have to vote D!" without using our democratic power to try to force the Dems to not just be the not-GOP but be something that we are happy with then we're just suckers.

 

[Yoda]

No.

Fuck that copout answer.

The problem is absolutely with them if they are extremely misinformed and ignorant of what her policy, record is, and are hell bent on portraying her as nothing short of evil incarnate.

Over-reaction much? She isn't "evil" for taking special interest money, she's just another ambitious politician playing the game to the best of her ability. Questioning her sincerity is fair game when she takes 7 figures from groups which would not benefit from policies which DO benefit average people. If she wants to inspire voters, it is on the candidate to do that.

Rubio keeps on celebrating over 3rd place victories, kind of sad.

Well the media will pretend he won something so why not? lol

 

[FiggyCal]

We need her right where she is for now.

She would be a lot more useful not passing neoliberal policies in the white house.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Still really hoping for a Trump-Cruz-Rubio. Ideally, Jeb would do better and stay in, but that doesn't seem likely.

Given that he's such a big fat mess.

Seems like that would end up being about:

35 - Trump
25 - Cruz
40 - Rubio

If it happens before supper Tuesday, Rubio might be able to have time to rack up the delegates.

 

[Spider from Mars]

Seeing that little pixel Trump painting over Rubio counties is a beautiful thing.

Little Trump spray painting as he calls Jeb Bush names is the real winnner.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

No, you haven't. Sanders making it this far doesn't prove anything. Field was so weak this year that they would let anyone through just to make it look like a contest against Clinton.

You're going to deny that the ACA, marriage equality, an African American President, etc aren't signs our country has inched left?

None of those things would've been possible 15+ years ago.

Edit: And no, that's not me saying we've come as far as we need to or any shit like that. I'm just pointing out the obvious that we have moved to the left.

 

[RustyNails]

The thing is, we can't be complacent about this. We need to realize that there are constraints, sure, but we also can't let the party trample on us and say "You can't have what you want, you'll have what we're serving and you'll like it!"

If the future of the party is going to be social-democratic, then we need to be the gadflies of the party and force the leadership to listen to us. Hillary has, thankfully, been made to do that by Bernie. Does anyone really think she would be talking about intersectionality if she didn't think she had to peel off some Bernie voters? She would just be positioning herself as a centrist New Democrat. Pressure from our side works and we have to keep it up. We have to not just canvass and vote for whoever the party puts out for us, we need to get involved in politics ourselves in our communities, in our state houses, etc. if we're going to show this party that the future and the country belong to progressives. If that gives centrist liberals palpitations then so be it. There will always be an internal push-pull between the two dynamics but that's necessary, that's the dialectic that produces a synthesis that's better for all of us.

We need to adopt a policy of democratic centralism - fight as viciously as we want behind "closed doors" so to speak but when a candidate or policy emerges after getting majority support, do everything possible to win. But that means that more cautious people also have to be willing to accept that we in the more vocal branch have legitimate concerns and shouldn't be paternalistically treated like a bunch of naive idiots who need to listen to what our betters tell us for our own good. That's the kind of stuff that will continue to turn off the people that Bernie has brought into the process.

I'm hoping all the Bernie people stay. Hillary and Bernie have voted 94% of the time in the same fashion. Bernie's message is not the problem, and neither Bernie. It's the sore fact that Democrats never vote in midterms. That's really it. Less than 10% of people under 29 participated in midterm elections. The legislative branch is just as, if not more, important than the executive branch. If the democratic coalition was able to deliver progressive candidates every 2 years like the Republicans routinely do with their conservative candidates, frankly Bernie would not have had to struggle so hard and Hillary's platform would have eroded.

The message is there and is very appealing. All you need to do is organize at grassroots level and send Congress your progressive candidates.

 

[kirblar]

As a queer person myself, I dislike the shaming that comes from Democrats toward people who call out the similarities between the two parties.

Intersectionality is a pretty important concept in modern feminism and queer rights movements. A (too often) overlooked category of oppression and privilege is class. Considering that Democrats largely serve the interests of the ruling class, and the vast majority of queer and transgender people are not ruling class, the overall policies of the Democratic Party are harmful to most LGBTQ+ people. It cannot be understated that queer people are more severely affected by poverty and homelessness, or that the well-being of poor transgender people is largely dependent on medical procedures that they may never be able to afford. What hurts the poor and disadvantaged hurts queer people even more. The Democrats will continue to deny us proper healthcare and free access to the means of survival, while maintaining a rigid class structure that oppresses everyone and affects minorities more harshly than their straight/white/cis counterparts.

It's true that Republicans will do more damage to us in the short-term with hateful discriminatory laws; but it's important to realize that they only do this to gain favor among their reactionary voter base. Getting people to hate us and blame us for the moral degeneration of society distracts people from noticing those who are really screwing us over. The ruling class. Protecting the interests of this class at the expense of everyone else is precisely what Democrats and Republicans alike both do.

Oh, come on.

By this metric, the GOP only serves the interests of "the ruling class", and so there's "no real difference?"

This line of thinking only makes sense if the only thing important to you is money.

Democrats extended same-sex partner rights to government employees in '09. In '13 they made it easier to change your gender w/ your social security info. Medicare now helps cover the costs of transitioning. These are not minor things for the people affected and helped by them. They may not show up as more money directly in anyone's pocket- but they are things that sure as heck won't happen in a GOP administration in 2016- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-quiet-transgender-revolution/2015/11/30/6879527e-95e4-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html

 

[massivekettle]

One of my best friends from high school asked me who I was voting for. I told him Sanders or Hillary. He told me Trump.

He likes that Trump wants to build a wall separating us from Mexico, and thinks he's a stronger, don't take shit from anyone kind of leader our country needs.

I just didn't know what to say... I had to change the subject back to something we had in common cause he was about to lose my full and total respect, LOL.

Trump supporters... they're out there.

Out of curiosity, who are you supporting, and why do you think that it makes you a better person? Everybody is entitled their opinion.

 

[mo60]

Rubio keeps on celebrating over 3rd place victories, kind of sad.

This is his only second third place.He's not going to get past 3rd as long as cruz and trump poll better than him.

 

[Jarmel]

If I was running the RNC, I would push so hard on Bush/Kasich to drop out.

 

[ApharmdX]

One or more of the establishment candidates need to drop out. The field is too split; they are handing Trump the nomination at this rate.

Trump won SC with a commanding lead during a week in which he:

- gave his best Michael Moore impression with an impassioned diatribe stating that G.W. "lied" and failed to keep us safe and then doubled down on it

- went head-to-head with the Pope, calling him "disgraceful" for questioning his faith

- proposed a boycott of the world's most profitable (and likely popular) company

The playbook is out the window.

The GOP path to victory these days is insulting POWs, the disabled, women, Muslims, Hispanics, and common sense (though that last one hasn't ever been an issue for them).

And I love it.

I agree that it's good theater, but consider this- if Trump is the GOP nominee, he'll get, at a minimum, 40% support of the American electorate supporting him. 4/10 voting Americans, our peers, people we have with today, supporting a bigoted fascist.

That's terrifying.

 

[RustyNails]

Cruz's lead over Rubio is slowly widening.

Cruz Missile is firmly locked.

 

[Elfforkusu]

I see the Bern couldn't quite close the gap. Bummer.

Really starting to feel like a GOP presidency to me.

 

[danm999]

Trump winning evangelicals. Lawd Cruz has no path to the nomination.

 

[FiggyCal]

Kasich and Carson perhaps but Bush will last up until Super Tuesday. He has invested too much money in this.

Let's make this a really expensive election for the republicans. I love it.

 

[massivekettle]

You're going to deny that the ACA, marriage equality, an African American President, etc aren't signs our country has inched left?

None of those things would've been possible 15+ years ago.

Edit: And no, that's not me saying we've come as far as we need to or any shit like that. I'm just pointing out the obvious that we have moved to the left.

What about 2 wars, countless drone strikes, PRISM, Guantanamo, voter ID laws, etc.?

Democrats may have move left, but not their nominees (i.e., Obama and Hillary).

 

[Touchdown]

They were too busy licking their wounds when they realized that Obama isn't a dictator who could unilaterally rain down manna for them.

The same thing would happen if Bernie were elected, except it'd be even worse because Obama never promised anything as concrete as the the ridiculously specific proposals Bernie is proffering.

I agree with this and I also think if you really cared about what Bernie stands for you should have been doing your part during the mid-terms in your local elections where it would have made such a huge difference on a host of different issues locally. (and when I say you, I don't mean any of you peeps specifically, I just mean excited Bernie liberal voters in general ). We only get change if we actively participate.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Cruz Missile is firmly locked.

And now it just refreshed and Rubio has a 2,000 vote lead.

lol

They're effectively tied, and will probably remain that way.

 

[RustyNails]

And now it just refreshed and Rubio has a 2,000 vote lead.

lol

They're effectively tied, and will probably remain that way.

FUCK

Rubot took out the missile

 

[Spica]

I agree. But eh... the talk about ruling classes kind of takes away from what you're really trying to say. It's distracting and sounds conspiratorial.

I'd call them the "capitalist class" or simply bourgeois, but I figured my sympathy for Marxist analysis would put people off even more.

 

[Matt_]

Hillary - Bernie gap widened to 53-47

 

[Cinders]

So, the Nevada Republican caucus is this Tuesday, not next Saturday as I thought. Trump will get a bump in the polls from his SC win right as Nevada votes. That, and the recent polls from there where he is up by ~15 points, suggests he all but has Nevada in the bag.

 

[DJ SLEV3N]

Rubio takes the lead in 2nd place battle.

 

[Rootbeer]

Out of curiosity, who are you supporting, and why do you think that it makes you a better person? Everybody is entitled their opinion.

My post details who I am supporting.

Honestly I do think I'm a better person than this friend. They have become increasingly homophobic over the years, do you know many people over 30 who will drop the words "faggot" or "that's gay" in conversation? Well, this is what I'm dealing with.

 

[aspiegamer]

Seeing that little pixel Trump painting over Rubio counties is a beautiful thing.

This? I was fortunate to catch it in progress.

 

[Fat4all]

Out of curiosity, who are you supporting, and why do you think that it makes you a better person? Everybody is entitled their opinion.

Would I be considered pretentious for not supporting a racist for president?

 

[RPGCrazied]

My post details who I am supporting.

Honestly I do think I'm a better person than this friend. They have become increasingly homophobic over the years, do you know many people over 30 who will drop the words "faggot" or "that's gay" in conversation? Well, this is what I'm dealing with.

Why are you still friends with someone like that?

 

[Roland_Gunner]

What about 2 wars, countless drone strikes, PRISM, Guantanamo, voter ID laws, etc.?

Democrats may have move left, but not their nominees (i.e., Obama and Hillary).

That's a fairly baffling list. Democrats have done everything possible to oppose voter IDs laws. We can over turn them with one more Supreme Court justice vote! Obama tried to close Guantanamo but Congress passed a law specifically blocking it. He also tried to stay out of the Middle East but ISIS almost taking over Iraq kinda made that impossible. The only thing I even kinda agree on is surveillance.