That's next week
The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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That's next week
SoRuffShoNuff
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Because Trump stands just as much a chance of winning as Cruz but he is a hell of a lot more entertaining. I want Trump in this thing as long as possible. Every night I have something new to laugh at.
GoldenEye 007
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No, SC for Dems is in a couple days.
No.
Fuck that copout answer.
The problem is absolutely with them if they are extremely misinformed and ignorant of what her policy, record is, and are hell bent on portraying her as nothing short of evil incarnate.
The hilarious thing is that young people seem so surprised when they're shown statistics of how they don't vote. I've even seen complaints about how the old voters are running the country.Bernie can't even make his own supporters listen to him
Bernie continuously says:
1. Vote in the general for a Democrat, regardless of who it is, because the stakes are simply too high.
2. The political process is far, far more than the presidential election. We need a revolution on every level of government, we need record turnout for congressmen, for senators, for mayors, and for governors.
3. This is much bigger than a brand, or one candidate, it's about ideology.
So I really want to know what goes through some of Bernie "supporters' " heads when they whine about how they won't vote, how they don't care what happens if he loses, and how he's the only thing that got them interested in politics in the first place so they'll just leave.
It's like people aren't listening to him. They're idolizing a candidate who doesn't want to be idolized, and they're ignoring key parts of his message. Some of you are giving up on the entire political process after like what, 2 years? Less? Is this a joke?
Want change? Make change. Sometimes change is hard. Sometimes it even requires compromise. Sometimes it doesn't come in the exact form you're looking for. However, every small step forward is so much better than a giant leap back.
BoboBrazil
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As a democrat, I want them both to stay in to take votes from Rubio until atleast Florida.
JHoNNy1OoO
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They have a lot of exit polls backing this up. If he is winning the counties handily that he was supposed to win and more competitive in the ones that he was supposed to lose then it is pretty easy to call this early.
A Human Becoming
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It's so bizarre this is where the Republican party is now.
Inuhanyou said:
That's a shame you'd risk us getting conservative justices and damaging irrevocably the lives of tens of thousands - if not millions - of people. But I guess that's what ideology over grim reality and risk assessment gets you. Too bad I suppose.
Inuhanyou said:
The race is in play the same way, say, a toddler playing baseball with a yankees star is "in play." If he can't win Nevada, he's not winning Super Tuesday states with even worse demographics. It's over. Not that people shouldn't still vote their hearts, but harsh political reality has set in for the Sanders camp. They were never going to do it with the coalition he put together.
krackerjack
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Classy shirt...
RPGCrazied
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If I was the head of the Republican party, I'd pretty pretty livid right now. Trump hijacking your party. lol
massivekettle
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It's not because your family is ultra conservative that they are ignorant.
ArkhamFantasy
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Michael F. Assbender
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But the point is that we will get there. Political change in America always takes time. It's built that way.
They will. We just have to keep pushing left. Think about it: In the 80s, Sanders would've been marginalized to the point you'd never have heard his name. In the 90s, he'd have been laughed off the stage at any debate. Even 10 years ago, he was just a cute old man sputtering about some commie nonsense.
Now he's within a hair's breadth of taking the nomination of one of the two major parties in the US. We've inched left. We just have to keep inching left. By voting left. Even if it isn't as far left today as you'd have hoped.
Roland_Gunner
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Next Saturday it flips with Dems in SC and Reps in NV. Because of reasons.
Leona Lewis
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Trump won SC with a commanding lead during a week in which he:
- gave his best Michael Moore impression with an impassioned diatribe stating that G.W. "lied" and failed to keep us safe and then doubled down on it
- went head-to-head with the Pope, calling him "disgraceful" for questioning his faith
- proposed a boycott of the world's most profitable (and likely popular) company
The playbook is out the window.
The GOP path to victory these days is insulting POWs, the disabled, women, Muslims, Hispanics, and common sense (though that last one hasn't ever been an issue for them).
And I love it.
- gave his best Michael Moore impression with an impassioned diatribe stating that G.W. "lied" and failed to keep us safe and then doubled down on it
- went head-to-head with the Pope, calling him "disgraceful" for questioning his faith
- proposed a boycott of the world's most profitable (and likely popular) company
The playbook is out the window.
The GOP path to victory these days is insulting POWs, the disabled, women, Muslims, Hispanics, and common sense (though that last one hasn't ever been an issue for them).
And I love it.
Isn't it WAY too early to call it for Trump?
Is SC a winner take all State? I can't remember.
Also damn is Bush doing bad. The man and his campaign is a big fat mess.
So much this. It's super gross and depressing. I totally get in the primary if one person prefers Sanders or what not but its clear some number of people care more about Bernie (or maybe they don't since even Bernie himself has stated he would support Hilary if he doesn't win) and his personality than actually accomplishing anything. If he doesn't get the nomination and you won't vote, even begrudgingly, for Hilary, please don't call yourself a liberal or progressive. Between people straight up making things up about Clinton to not vote for her or clearly can't think more than 4 years in the future (a conservative Supreme Court wrecks any plans Bernie or someone like him might have in the future) the message you're sending out is you either don't "get" how US politics or you don't actually care
Is SC a winner take all State? I can't remember.
Also damn is Bush doing bad. The man and his campaign is a big fat mess.
So much this. It's super gross and depressing. I totally get in the primary if one person prefers Sanders or what not but its clear some number of people care more about Bernie (or maybe they don't since even Bernie himself has stated he would support Hilary if he doesn't win) and his personality than actually accomplishing anything. If he doesn't get the nomination and you won't vote, even begrudgingly, for Hilary, please don't call yourself a liberal or progressive. Between people straight up making things up about Clinton to not vote for her or clearly can't think more than 4 years in the future (a conservative Supreme Court wrecks any plans Bernie or someone like him might have in the future) the message you're sending out is you either don't "get" how US politics or you don't actually care
He will drop the n-bomb before it is through
Hilary isn't owed votes. She has to convince people, even primary voters, that she deserves their vote in November. That has always been the case and will always be the case.
massivekettle
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No, you haven't. Sanders making it this far doesn't prove anything. Field was so weak this year that they would let anyone through just to make it look like a contest against Clinton.
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Livid... at himself.
he allowed this to happen. They attempted to cater to this group and failed to fulfill their demands. Their demands got more crazy as time went on.
You're a star, thanks!
balladofwindfishes
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+15% in the polls and a standing ovation.
Why. He's an awful candidate for the republicans. Let him get second; let him and Jeb fight for donor money. He will get destroyed in a general.
BoboBrazil
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Kasich and Bush are gonna have alot of pressure from the RNC to drop out after this race. Trump needs to start dropping some bombs on Rubio now.
As a queer person myself, I dislike the shaming that comes from Democrats toward people who call out the similarities between the two parties.
Intersectionality is a pretty important concept in modern feminism and queer rights movements. A (too often) overlooked category of oppression and privilege is class. Considering that Democrats largely serve the interests of the ruling class, and the vast majority of queer and transgender people are not ruling class, the overall policies of the Democratic Party are harmful to most LGBTQ+ people. It cannot be understated that queer people are more severely affected by poverty and homelessness, or that the well-being of poor transgender people is largely dependent on medical procedures that they may never be able to afford. What hurts the poor and disadvantaged hurts queer people even more. The Democrats will continue to deny us proper healthcare and free access to the means of survival, while maintaining a rigid class structure that oppresses everyone and affects minorities more harshly than their straight/white/cis counterparts.
It's true that Republicans will do more damage to us in the short-term with hateful discriminatory laws; but it's important to realize that they only do this to gain favor among their reactionary voter base. Getting people to hate us and blame us for the moral degeneration of society distracts people from noticing those who are really screwing us over. The ruling class. Protecting the interests of this class at the expense of everyone else is precisely what Democrats and Republicans alike both do.
It's absolutely incredible. I can't believe Trump is not only winning, but winning pretty easily, despite everything he has said. Plus all of the things people have said about him, including one of the most influential people in the world which didn't even put a dent into him. What is going on with this country. lol
And with Hillary winning and all of the Sanders supporters feeling down about her, I think democratic turnout could be kind of low. For the first time, I feel like he has a legit shot at winning the whole thing. It's crazy and scary how all of this is shaping up.
I want someone to challenge the guy. I don't want him to get a free ride to the republican convention. The establishment is probably breathing a sigh of relief right now after what happened to him in NH, but they are not prepared to give hm all their support yet.
The thing is, we can't be complacent about this. We need to realize that there are constraints, sure, but we also can't let the party trample on us and say "You can't have what you want, you'll have what we're serving and you'll like it!"
If the future of the party is going to be social-democratic, then we need to be the gadflies of the party and force the leadership to listen to us. Hillary has, thankfully, been made to do that by Bernie. Does anyone really think she would be talking about intersectionality if she didn't think she had to peel off some Bernie voters? She would just be positioning herself as a centrist New Democrat. Pressure from our side works and we have to keep it up. We have to not just canvass and vote for whoever the party puts out for us, we need to get involved in politics ourselves in our communities, in our state houses, etc. if we're going to show this party that the future and the country belong to progressives. If that gives centrist liberals palpitations then so be it. There will always be an internal push-pull between the two dynamics but that's necessary, that's the dialectic that produces a synthesis that's better for all of us.
We need to adopt a policy of democratic centralism - fight as viciously as we want behind "closed doors" so to speak but when a candidate or policy emerges after getting majority support, do everything possible to win. But that means that more cautious people also have to be willing to accept that we in the more vocal branch have legitimate concerns and shouldn't be paternalistically treated like a bunch of naive idiots who need to listen to what our betters tell us for our own good. That's the kind of stuff that will continue to turn off the people that Bernie has brought into the process.
RustyNails
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Cruz climbing back up! LETS GOOO
Yeah. Clinton wins. By a lot.
It's next week, but it won't even be close to being close. It'll be like New Hampshire except with the candidates switched around.
SolarPowered
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I think I prefer insults and condescension tbh.
Don't believe you, but I'll probably keep voting anyways. Hope to God there enough young suckers like me out there.
What no one wants to hear. The process feels so hopeless and I'm a straight male. I can't even imagine how much worse it must feel for far left LGBT people who see what Western Europe has done.
They let it happen, they let the tea party fester and boil. And this is the logical result
Sadly that would happen
Chill, it was a joke.
Is Hillary's entire political career motivated by a desire to inflate her ego? I don't know how you'd measure that, but even if so, so what? Every politician is motivated by ego. If you think you're worth representing the interests of everyone living in a district, a state, or the whole country, then you've got to have one hell of an ego.
Why not believe? Historical precedent suggests this always happens.
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I agree with your sentiments. I fully believe we'd see the same kind of reactions on the Hillary side if she were the one behind, so I wish people would have a little more compassion for upset Sanders supporters, because we really do ultimately want most of the same things as Hillary supporters.
You take any candidate who is doing extremely well but still trailing the front runner and have them lose, and you will see a portion of their supporters make rash comments like this. It's immature (which goes along with the fact that many Sanders supporters skew younger), yes, but not genuinely vindictive. It shows a lack of foresight but that can be course corrected. It's very early.
Just give them some time to come around after the heat cools off. Most Sanders supporters will be voting on whoever wins come election time as the stakes continue to mount and the shadow of an America under Trump starts to look very real and scary.
I prefer Sanders by a long shot, but Trump isn't getting into the White House under my watch.
I also hope Sanders does not run independent. Until the near 50/50 split of the electorate starts to skew more democrat/independent liberal it's incredibly damaging. I fully support it in lower offices but not for the President's seat. If the Republican candidates finally start becoming more moderate, then maybe then, but not now.
They way he's polling with democrats and independents right now will prevent him from winning the GE. I don't expect that to change much once he gets nominated if he does and the real election race starts.
balladofwindfishes
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Cruz just eeked ahead a bit.
Rubio isn't gaining any momentum from this. Basically tying for second/third isn't momentum building...
Rubio isn't gaining any momentum from this. Basically tying for second/third isn't momentum building...
EatinOlives
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Agreed, and that's exactly Bernie's message. He wants lifetime voters, he understands the issues he's campaigning against are much bigger than him, he knows the risks of having a Republican in the White House in this particular election. But the selective hearing of so many supporters have perverted his platform into "The Bernie Brand", and without the lead singer the band and the fans may just as well leave. They don't realize this is exactly what he doesn't want. He never has and never will peddle Hillary as the Final Boss. He never pretended it was game over if he didn't get the nomination.
Here's the litmus test for a real Bernie supporter. Vote in your primary and campaign for Bernie. If he doesn't get the nomination, support the Democratic candidate because you, like him, understand what's at stake. Continue to campaign for every local, state, and federal position in your neck of the woods and vote in them yourself, and focus hard on upping the turnout. If you're not willing to do this, guess what? You're not a Bernie supporter, because you don't agree with his platform.
and I'd like to know where all these millenials were when we were in the thick of it during the mid-terms during Obama's early tenure. It blows my mind that Bernie Sanders woke them up over somebody like Obama. Or are all these Bernie supporters really just first time voters?
Seems obvious listening to Hill talking vs listening to Bern. Count the amount of times Hill says "I", "me", or "mine" vs the amount of times Bern says "you", "we", or "ours".
After what happened to him in NH I bet you he would be happy about a third place finish.
Leona Lewis
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The implications for me at least is a future in which the GOP becomes so fractured and dispirited that a "come to Jesus" moment becomes inevitable and a moderate wing of the party emerges.
If anything, it allows the Dems to move further left instead of having to play the role of what would be considered centrist-right in any other developed nation.
They were too busy licking their wounds when they realized that Obama isn't a dictator who could unilaterally rain down manna for them.
The same thing would happen if Bernie were elected, except it'd be even worse because Obama never promised anything as concrete as the the ridiculously specific proposals Bernie is proffering.
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