Agent_Carnage
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To beat trump deal with him as you would as an Internet Troll. He says things to get people talking. Had people ignored trumps insane comments he would of been done already.
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The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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To beat trump deal with him as you would as an Internet Troll. He says things to get people talking. Had people ignored trumps insane comments he would of been done already.
LyleLanley
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When does Bush finally throw in the towel?
Elfforkusu
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Interesting question to me: if GOP runs a 3rd candidate (+ Hillary + Trump) in the GE, can they keep the max EC vote below 270?
It's just so fucking amazing in a scary way that the two Republican front runners are a neo-fascist that wants mass deportations and wants to ban Muslims from entering the U.S and the other is a religious zealot that wants to put the bible above the U.S Constitution.
What the fuck is happening here? And the political pundits on CNN and other various cable channels refuse to call them out on their bullshit?
I think by now we've become so fucking desensitized that we don't even question their crazy ass ideas anymore...
What the fuck is happening here? And the political pundits on CNN and other various cable channels refuse to call them out on their bullshit?
I think by now we've become so fucking desensitized that we don't even question their crazy ass ideas anymore...
Thank you, I missed this post initially. For some reason we all love to talk about intersectionality but it's ok to disregard the class struggle because apparently that's less important than other kinds of struggles. That's the impression I get from a lot of Hillary supporters at least. That shouldn't really be a surprise - Hillary supporters are largely liberals (in the classical sense), so to them capitalism just needs to be modified, not overthrown, so that's where their blindspot may be. Bernie supporters often overlook race and gender issues, Hillary supporters often overlook class issues, and we need to take all of these into account.
neurosisxeno
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Those are almost entirely policies implemented by Republicans, what point are you trying to make? The 2 wars were started under GWB, the Drone Program started under Bush but was expanded under Obama in exchange for pulling troops out of various regions, PRISM was a byproduct of the Bush administration as well as the PATRIOT Act, Obama wanted to shut down Guantanamo but has faced intense push back, and Voter ID laws are passed in almost exclusively red states. Democrats had very little to do with any of these things.
excelsiorlef
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gutter_trash
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SC winner take all mofos.
No runner up dels for the losers
New York Values wins
No runner up dels for the losers
New York Values wins
Gravis will be happy, they hit it on the nose in a very difficult to poll state.
Roland_Gunner
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Looks like a lot of votes from around Charleston (so more "moderate" I guess) came in for him.
massivekettle
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No. You would be pretentious for thinking you are better than someone else just because that someone else is voting or supporting Trump/GOP.
Which is exactly how that other poster felt like.
RPGCrazied
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The media is to blame. All they do is pander. Nothing negative against Trump. "He is made of Teflon! Nothing hurts him, only gets stronger!" Fuck off with that media.
This sounds glorious - wish I got to see it.
Edit: Never mind, aspiegamer posted it earlier. Thanks!
RustyNails
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Really are. Their headlines now read like drudge report.
Leona Lewis
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Bingo.
For better or worse, the Tea Party changed the face of the GOP through sheer force of will - through consistent participation in local races, unyielding and swift punishment for those elected officials who didn't represent their interests, and frighteningly effective coalition building.
There's no reason the future that Sanders is envisioning for our country can't become the status quo. But things don't become status quo through one man, or even one administration.
Vote for city council. Vote for comptroller. Vote for attorney general. It doesn't matter, just vote bitch.
I don't have a lot of friends. And am bad at making them. Also, I rarely see them as we live on opposite sides of the country now. Just occasionally he messages me on Steam or whatever.
Trying not to fully shut people out for being wrong sometimes. Have had limited success in influencing them.
Ehh. Sorry if that's not good enough for you!
Iowa loses again.
Ziltoidia 9
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As a sanders supporter (my number one issue is trying to greatly reduce money interest in our politics) im just going to focus on where my biggest disagreements lie, the GOP. I don't like this in fighting between the two campaigns and a lot of it just comes out as minimizing Sander's main message and goal. I don't interact with other Sanders supporters outside of what I read from people posting during the nomination process. I just feel like there is a lot of disingenuous statements going around within the left.
But when it comes to Rubio, Cruz and Trump? Not really going to get in-fighting with that.
He's to hoping that the country doesn't screw up this fall.
But when it comes to Rubio, Cruz and Trump? Not really going to get in-fighting with that.
He's to hoping that the country doesn't screw up this fall.
Elfforkusu
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Voter ID is the GOP's baby, but foreign interventionism, drones, mass surveillance all continued or escalated under the Obama administration. Pretending the Democrats aren't culpable for these things is drinking some seriously strong kool-aid.
Guantanamo I'm not sure about, but I feel like we shouldn't let him off the hook there either?
Because anyone can have a chance at winning a general. Terrorist attack, economic recession, huge scandal, etc... and then you would have to live with Ted motherfucking Cruz as President. I don't want to take that chance.
EatinOlives
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He'll stick to the very end considering the establishment GOP that props him up will continue to deny that the inmates are running the asylum.
Orbis Tabula
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This? I was fortunate to catch it in progress.
Hahaha, wait, what is this from?
Rafa=FedKilla
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Chris Christie was a time traveler sent to save us from Marco Rubio.
neurosisxeno
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You can absolutely not want to be friends with people based on the kind of ideology they support without thinking you're better than those people. I don't know any personally, but I can say with fair certainty I don't want to be friends with any Neo-Nazi's or Clansman.
Obama has tried his hardest NOT to intervene, and has been getting beaten over the head by Republican for it. If we had listened to the GOP we'd still be completely in Iraq, as well as have boots on the ground in Libya and Syria--possibly even Iran, Crimea, and Yeman for all we know. So increased Drone Strikes is hardly a bad thing compared to the alternative. It's also worth nothing Obama has scaled back in Afghanistan and Iraq a great deal compared to where we were in 2008, rather than what McCain and Romney wanted which was "another surge!". The mass surveillance programs were kept in place under Obama, but not really expanded.
How can we blame Guantanamo on Democrats? Obama has wanted it closed since he was a candidate in 2007--maybe even earlier. It's the GOP that keeps blocking it insisting it is necessary for national security or some other nonsense. If Democrats had their way it would have been shut down and the inmates would have faced trial on US soil.
No, it's that it's an example of what you see with types like the Kochs.
They have liberal social views, but conservative economic ones. But at the end of the day, they're going to vote on their wallets 100% of the time, so you cannot ever rely on them to actually have your back.
Team Alucard
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Jeb is a big fat mess
It's probably all the same. I guess it really doesn't matter.
JHoNNy1OoO
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He's gotta do it after this if he comes behind Kasich. So much money just flushed down the toilet.
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I don't know much about how primaries have historically worked, so: does Bush actually have any reasonable chance of bouncing back from a >=4th place position here?
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lastflowers
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You're now on my ignore list. I voted for Obama and at the midterms and at my seattle local elections.
LyleLanley
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Is the money going to be there that long?
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If Kasich stays and Carson and Bush step out he could do nicely. But I'm guessing idiots financing Bush will expect HIS numbers to go much higher once Kasich and Carson are out.
They'll keep pushing him on the stage from behind the curtains as long as they can, because you never know when others might fuck up big time.
They'll keep pushing him on the stage from behind the curtains as long as they can, because you never know when others might fuck up big time.
massivekettle
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I believe the post was about how the country has moved left in the past 15 years, which isn't quite so true in many areas.
I forgot about the TPP in the list of bad things (and that's on Obama). PRISM may have been a byproduct, but still Obama went along with it and expanded, same with drones.
I feel like there's a clear difference between losing respect for someone just because they are voting for Trump, and losing respect for someone over the reasons they are voting for Trump.
I should have used drudge sirens. Missed opportunity.
Elfforkusu
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According to what?
Not trying to be unnecessarily confrontational here, but I've seen so many electability arguments that are based on people's gut feelings (see: "Hillary is obviously more electable than Bernie", when all polling data implies otherwise) that I'm wondering how you would back this up?
Part of what scares me about Cruz is that he's polished (charismatic) enough to sound 100% genuine, even when he's clearly full of shit. People love that!
You have to understand that a news channel is a vehicle to deliver eyeballs to advertisers. If CNN/etc. was honest and said-
"One party is having a legitimate debate on the speed of progressive change, and the other is climbing over each other in order to attack immigrants, the LGBT community, blacks, and the poor to advance the interests of a few wealthy white men."
Then they'd lose a large amount of viewership.
Supporting an outed racist and xenophobe counts against someone's character. It does, I'm sorry.
aspiegamer
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The actual, actual, entirely real results page at The Guardian. It's like they hired Nintendo to do this. I approve. The Pixel Rubio even did the 3x repeat meme before rolling off the screen.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lina-live-results-primary-caucuses?CMP=twt_gu
Michael F. Assbender
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I agree on all of this, Roland. The continuation of surveillance is troubling, but to fault Obama for the rest if that is silly.
But again, it's indicative of so many Sanders supporters who see that everything isn't changing today and believe it's because our politicians aren't liberal enough, or they're liars, or they're just as bad as the GOP.
The truth is that these demonized Democrats are often forced to either compromise in order to pass something of greater importance to them or blocked completely. Because that's how our system of government was designed.
Progress takes time, which was my original point. We are inching left, ksharp. I get that it's frustrating that we can't be a progressive utopia today, but if we keep fighting, we can get there. Even if part of that fight is blocking the GOP from fucking us through the Supreme Court by voting for a Democrat who you hate. She may not be left enough for you, but she's a damn far sight better than what the GOP has on tap.
massivekettle
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If politics are enough to ruin a friendship, I am not sure you are such a good friend after all.
Nice of you to characterize all Trump supporters as Neo-Nazis... (Godwin's law never fails)
EatinOlives
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He already downsized his campaign late last year, so I think the well is running dry. That, and the party jumping ship to Rubio means they're losing faith in Jeb rapidly. But the backing was so strong initially I think he'll still have the means to continue campaigning through the entirety of the primaries.
There's nothing conspiratorial about the fact that America is run by and for capitalists first and foremost. They're not hiding in a backroom snickering and conniving ways to screw everyone over, they just look out for their own interests and have the power to do so. Trump and Bernie's bases show that there are a lot of people who are fed up with this, which is why some (idiot) Bernie supporters bleed over into becoming Trump supporters, since Trump attracts populist nativists who are not happy with the globalized capitalist class that sees fit to ship jobs overseas. They want a nationalistic capitalism. Something more akin to fascism if they knew what they were talking about.
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