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Clinton and Trump. Those are going to be our choices. This country is fucked.
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The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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RPGCrazied
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He will be on TV daily. He speaks daily. They cover his rallies even if a little bit. One network OAN? Shows the whole damn thing.
It will be mostly Trump. Trust me.
cpp_is_king
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I just thought of a way to make Trump's campaign even better. He needs to start using internet slang in debates and public speeches. Instead of saying "You are the single biggest liar I've ever met" to Cruz, he needs to say "Bro, do you even truth?" But like completely seriously. Other phrases he could fit into his persona include "Come at me, bro" when provoked, or "Cool story bro" when someone says something completely nonsensical. As the icing on the cake, when someone calls him out for being a bully, he needs to hold up a sign with a picture of Insanity Wolf.
This way he could woo over all the millenials and sway the independent vote.
Not to mention GAF would have a nuclear meltdown.
This way he could woo over all the millenials and sway the independent vote.
Not to mention GAF would have a nuclear meltdown.
TheLostBigBoss
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hint he won't pull through like Obama did
Trump didn't close the deal yet. Will be him or Rubio.
GuyKazama
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Fox News has been so pro-Rubio today that I think Trump will lash out at them tomorrow.
Frustrated_Grunt
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Yup, even if our candidates don't win, we can still influence policy in the end based on this support.
Michael F. Assbender
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Nobody is shaming those in favor of social democracy; just those who would be willing to let their vote die on the good ship Sanders rather than give it to a Democrat when the Supreme Court (and the next couple decades of rulings) hangs in the balance.
shinra-bansho
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After today she'll have a 1-2 pledged delegate lead, with SC probably expanding that to something like a 10-15 delegate lead. While this in itself isn't insurmountable the problem is that the next round of voting occurs on Super Tuesday, with states that highly favour Clinton and are delegate rich. Texas and Georgia together are worth 324 pledged delegates and current polling has her leading essentially 2:1.
Outside of Vermont, places he could probably do okay are Colorado, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, Minnesota. But he'd have to do more than just okay to not come out of that day with a big pledged delegate deficit.
There will definitely be more pushing for the Dems to go even more left. Bernie was the spark that started all this, just like how Occupy Wall Street was the spark that started the #Bern.
r.i.p. XFL
4 more years of neoliberalism :^)
Black dems hate Sanders?
BennyBlanco
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His path forward is a hard one. He's too far behind among black voters, which are a key Democratic voting bloc. Still, every day he stays in the race is a good one. If the GOP candidates weren't so awful, I almost would hope that he'd stay in until the bitter end, and then not endorse Hillary... she's just not a great candidate.
One thing that's for sure- Clinton can't win the general election without keeping at least some Bernie supporters. I think we might get her to stay on-message and run as an actual liberal in the GE. Maybe. Harder to pivot to the middle when you have to actually win the left!
That would match earlier polls, where Sanders won younger Hispanics but lost among older ones and overall. It's still impressive to close that gap. It's just not enough.
Michael F. Assbender
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We would've under Sanders.
Let's dispel this fiction that Bernie Sanders could've pushed his Socialist ideals through a Republican Congress. Or even a Democratic Congress, since the ACA very nearly didn't pass a Democratic Congress.
LegendofJoe
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They are demanding it. Why do you think Sanders has made this a contest? If Millenials would actually get smart and start focusing their efforts on the local and state level a political shift to the left would happen a lot faster and actually have staying power. Winning the presidency won't accomplish anything as long as conservatives dominate at the state level.
ErnieMcCracken
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Well, the next President is probably looking at two Supreme Court appointments (minimum), so it kind of matters even of you don't like the choices.
Bluekaveli
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It's like the Alamo. Lol.
Manmademan
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I said what I said. as a minority myself the impression of bernie sanders among the community around here is not positive.
Fox News is the GOP establishment channel, so they're doing their job.
I think it's really inaccurate to say minority voters hate Bernie by and large. They just like Clinton more.
People (and the media) really overstate the divisions in the Democratic Party.
I mean, I'd like to think that, but I'm sure that's what people in the 60s and 70s thought as well. And we know what happened there.
I think the good thing is that this time the electorate isn't as white, so the Democrats don't need to chase the white working class by pivoting to the center. That said, the party can easily survive without adopting class issues as a serious platform plank, and that's what worries me - that without continued pressure they'll keep paying lip service to it rather than make it an instrumental part of the party's ideology.
PredictIt is giving Trump and Rubio basically even odds as of tonight. I can kind of see Rubio pulling together a coalition that matches Trump's, but he's only got a little more than one week to do it. The establishment either gets their act together by March 1st or it's too late to catch up. Maybe the winner take all states coming later can reward a late push though.
You're right. But he would have tried, he would have at the very least been the spark for change, a symbol of hope that is the darkness of American politics.
I'm just curious. We're seeing record turnout for republicans because of Trump and Cruz. Why do we assume that there won't be a similar turnout for republicans in the general?
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RPGCrazied
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Fox News has no spine though. Soon enough he will be back on Fox News giving one hour interviews, calling into O'Riley, just seems like he is running the network.
Manmademan
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Speaking from personal experience, it's gone from ambivalence to active dislike the longer he runs, and the behavior of his supporters has a lot to do with it.
The sanders campaign has the stink of holier than thou know nothing white kids from the suburbs all over it, and many of us have tuned him out entirely.
edit: obviously I don't speak for black people everywhere, but this is absolutely, positively a thing.
Gonna enjoy donation money as much as possible
Agent_Carnage
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Sanders is toast. He dident capture momentum after NH and he is going to get killed in SC. If he gets killed again Super Tuesday he should throw in the towel.
We all know that Hillary will fare no better with Congress. Obama's victories have been either through the courts or through executive action. Hillary is running on this strategy too, right? She's going to get just as little through Congress as Bernie would. The danger with her, though, is that she may compromise with the right on important legislation out of political expediency.
Michael F. Assbender
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We probably will. Which is why Democrats need to come together and vote for whoever the nominee is in November.
Lol agreed. The pledge to never vote for Hillary is particularly hilarious. It's so funny when people on the same side of the aisle get so vitriolic and aggressive about the people that have the same or very similar values.
i'm going to need proof that you're a real person at this point
LegendofJoe
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He's getting paid to stay in, if you believe otherwise you're naive.
Anyone who goes this route is freaking pathetic.
Disagree on policy if anything at all.
Said person has been posting in this thread.
At this point I think Carson will remain in the race for gain more name recognition. He has no commitment to drop out to help some other candidate.
When he run out of money will suspend his campaign.
Michael F. Assbender
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She may comprimise to get something done, yes. Which is better than gridlock and executive orders (which can be rescinded by the next President).
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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Based on this line of thinking, it would be great if Rubio won the nomination, so then those first time voters don't come out to vote in November, since their nominee (Trump/Cruz) did not make it.
Right. I'm really saying two things: that Trump can actually win the presidency. And that maybe the young vote is more important to the dems if the rest of the party is just going to vote whoever the nominee is and that therefore Bernie would have been a better candidate.
But you'll vote for the candidate that actually believed in the Super Predator theory.
But the guy who has passed some of the biggest social laws in history in some of the most gridlocked congresses can't do it?
If you don't know, you shouldn't. Those who know, know. Only reason I posted it was that I thought it was an interesting reflection of just the type of problem Bernie and his campaign has at crossing that minority threshold. It's systemic of the core reason Bernie could never build a coalition and the momentum he needed. As if anyone who doesn't think that way is somehow intellectually inferior.
I agree. I don't see any reason for him to drop out yet, even if winning isn't likely. He's getting younger people involved. I would have literally no interest in this presidential race if it was just her running without any competition. Media would have just be dominated by the GOP up till april. I also like watching the debates.. Lol
Manmademan
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Let me be as clear as I possibly can that I give absolutely no fucks at all what the guy who was looking for "a safe space to vent about black voters" thinks about my political opinions.
Compromise isn't a bad word. Ultimately it depends on what but yes with this government compromise is generally the rule. incremental progress is still better than gridlock.
Exactly, which would result in more getting done than with an inflexible idealist who doesn't have inroads with the other dems and won't compromise anything.
Michael F. Assbender
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Possibly, though as the old adage goes, Republicans generally tend to fall in line behind their candidate.
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