Basileus777
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That's actually a nice burn.
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The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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That's actually a nice burn.
It's so funny people thinking that things will substantially change if their nominee is voted in, especially on the democratic side after the obstructionist Congress we saw with Obama. The president can do very little in the grand scheme of things so you sure as hell better make sure that when they get that odd chance to influence something that it's not in the opposing parties favor. Don't expect large sweeping change. Small wins.
I never even thought about that. I guess it's true.
Wow.
That's like MS NPD levels of spin.
dapperbandit
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I thought this said father and it really colored the rest of the post in a different light....
Basileus777
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It seems like he actually is going to win SC-1, so probably.
AnotherNils
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No the reason our two party system thrives is because of first past the pole voting
This is somebody looking for reasons to not drop out, as they have more books to sell.
LegendofJoe
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He can and he already has. At the beginning of his campaign that was his entire goal. He has accomplished more than he ever dreamed of doing I imagine. It's up to our generation to keep the train rolling down the tracks.
I think if a democrat pushed a big "anti-establishment" angle during a downward trend (especially if there was a republican in office when it started), then they might be more successful with the message than usual.
Gross.
RPGCrazied
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Glad to hear that, but hearing Cruz talk sometimes just scares the shit out of me.
I don't think income inequality would be much of an issue if Sanders wasn't in the ring. The United States is becoming substantially more liberal, which is really good, but economic troubles that don't affect Wall Street are still being pushed to the wayside.
I'm admittedly scared of a Clinton presidency because I expect that she'd continue to ignore these problems and direct all the resources of the Democratic Party to fighting non-material inequalities.
Huh? This is the first I've heard of primarying Obama. I'm calling bullshit on this one.
WWOOOOOOOOOWOWWW
I mean he's not wrong (did Trump get all 50? I thought he was going to get 47) but WWWWWWOOOOOOWOOOOOWWWWWW
Manmademan
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yes and no. republican messaging is simply better.
It was clear that unions had nothing to do with the downturn of the carter years, but republicans not only managed to get voted in, they managed to convince americans that the single most important thing responsible for maintaning the lifestyle of the middle class was responsible for economic malaise and got them to dismantle it.
Despite the downturn of 08 CLEARLY not being the fault of the president who wasn't even in office when it hit, the republican messaging machine convinced the country that conservative principles would save it and austerity is what we needed.
Democrats rely on policy and nuance to get their point across. This is a LOT less effective than fearmongering and finger pointing that is the hallmark of the conservative messaging machine when shit hits the fan. They're simply better at manipulation.
sanders spoke about the need to primary obama in 2012 but never did it. Hillary called him out on it during the last debate.
It legitimately is a good reason to stay in the race though.
Jack The Nipper
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I think.so, I'm sure trump will do that. Especially for gaf to have a melt down
Ether_Snake
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First point: No one said she'd get a load of shit through, just more than Bernie.
Second point: wouldn't happen in 8 years anyway.
Fair enough. I refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton. Period. I won't vote for a Republican but I'm not giving her my endorsement.
Is that greedy and selfish? It might just be, but it's not my responsibility to vote for someone who doesn't stand for my ideals just because it might help someone else out. Obama burned my trust in 08 but I fell in lockstep in 12. I'm not doing it again.
That's exactly what's going to happen, except we'll also be going to Syria and putting in a no fly zone cuz terrorism.
Michael F. Assbender
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Yes, me saying the bitter Sanders crowd need to buck up and think of the greater good of your fellow man by voting Clinton instead of Trump will lead to Trump getting elected.
Surely it won't be people with your "I'm taking my ball and going home" attitude who are responsible.
You really think she just somehow conveniently always changes sides when her formal stances are now politically incorrect? You're obnoxious to Bernie supporters yet can't see how invested you are into defending Hillary.
I think that's why I like his campaign. Even if he loses, his message won't vanish. I'm hoping it'll cause a chain reaction. If not, I'll do it myself haha.
RPGCrazied
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Got to sell more books I guess. Doing it for the money at this point. Its obvious he isn't winning.
Roland_Gunner
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Not really. All that needs to happen is Ginsburg or Breyer retires and is replaced by a justice that doesn't support gay marriage. They probably wouldn't make it illegal nationally but would give states discretion and many would ban it at the state level.
Wet blanket. Bowl of congee.
Trump Status: Not Stumped.
He's also anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion and anti-unions.
Michael F. Assbender
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Bernie Sanders called for a primary against Obama in 2012. It's been mentioned in like two debates.
Im a big Bernie supporter, but if he loses you better fucking suck it up and vote for Hillary.
Pouting that you didnt get your way will lead to fuckery and possible setbacks that will take additional election cycles to correct. Politics is a game of tug of war, and you dont quit because you didnt get the rope all the way to your side on your first pull.
Dont be an idiot. That goes for anyone in here that wants to claim to be a progressive.
Pouting that you didnt get your way will lead to fuckery and possible setbacks that will take additional election cycles to correct. Politics is a game of tug of war, and you dont quit because you didnt get the rope all the way to your side on your first pull.
Dont be an idiot. That goes for anyone in here that wants to claim to be a progressive.
Chezzymann
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People keep saying Trump doesn't have a chance in the general, but when you look at all these massive record breaking numbers for republican primaries (700,000+ in SC) compared to the democratic vote numbers, is that a sign that in the general there could be a larger swing to the right than we're expecting? Or is it just due to there still (or was) 6 candidates in the race?
Manmademan
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well yeah, he's a republican
if it were anyone else BUT trump (ok..or carson) we'd be calling them the definitive frontrunner and the race over.
But given that it IS trump, and he's gotten where he is by being completely fucking ridiculous, there a cognitive dissonance among republicans and republican leaning independents that their party CANT be racist and stupid enough to vote in Trump. it just CANT. clearly it has to be whoever just won 3rd or 5th as the "establishment" choice and voters will come to their senses any day now.
Bad news- their party IS that racist and stupid, and Trump isn't going away.
User 463088
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Um,. I wouldn't use that GIF in reference to Carson's campaign. One of his staffers died in a car accident in Iowa before the caucuses.
RPGCrazied
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Who to trust?
I'm in no hurry to get married, hell I don't have a boyfriend, but still.
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LegendofJoe
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Whatever happened to voting every year and maybe getting involved with local politics?
Voting for belief is quite frankly stupid. You vote for results. Politics are a long run game. A single election doesn't determine if you win or lose.
He really got away with being anti-gay that first debate with his "I went to a gay marriage once " response. People were saying that he was moderate and a real threat. lol
I'm a canadian to and I don't think Bernie was ever the right choice because of how he has potrayed himself, I really like a bunch of his policies but the more I see and read of bernie the less I think he would be the right nomination at this point.
So Bernie Sanders counts as some? I guess he does technically, but I don't believe this was a popular sentiment.
Edit: this makes me wish I was paying more attention to the Democratic side of the primaries. I was always ok with the fact that I'd vote for Sanders or Clinton. This just makes me mad at Sanders.
Yup. I remember this was a thing in 2012. I remember it among places like CNN and MSNBC though. They were talking about potentially the Democratic party potentially running a candidate against Obama because they were unhappy with him.
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Again, I wouldn't worry too much about the "Bernie Or Nobody" crowd. It's only February.
Roland_Gunner
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Do what you got to do. But when Dodd Frank gets repealed, banks start leveraging up again, and we get another mini-depression you may get hit with the fallout.
GoldenEye 007
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If it's Clinton vs. Trump, who carries New York?
Michael F. Assbender
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I can see how she can change her mind because anyone can change their mind. I used to be a right wing, God-fearing, homophobe, for fuck's sake!
Introspection, study, and opening myself up to ideas that weren't written down in an ancient book led to me changing my mind. And I'm not running for any public office.
It can absolutely happen.
balladofwindfishes
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Trump can win, and that's frightening. And, unfortunately, many of the reasons why Sanders polls so well against Clinton also apply to Trump. Being an "outsider" and seeming genuine really matter to many voters, especially those without much experience participating in politics.
In a Trump-Clinton matchup, we can't assume that Clinton wins.
Tens of thousands of Sanders supporters will stay home if Clinton is the nominee, but I doubt many of those people would vote regardless.
Jeb was polling about 3% nationally, so I assume Rubio gets a 1% bump or close to 33% of Jeb's supporters, with the rest distributed amongst the field. He may go up between 1 - 2 % nationally.
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