The Supreme Court also ruled that abortion is legal. That hasn't stopped States passing laws that make access to them incredible hard. Same for minorities and poor people voting.
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The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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The Supreme Court also ruled that abortion is legal. That hasn't stopped States passing laws that make access to them incredible hard. Same for minorities and poor people voting.
Manmademan
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its about a safe a democratic state as you can point to. not really a question.
cpp_is_king
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Definitely a real person. But come on, it would be hilarious, and the internet would eat it up.
Michael F. Assbender
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I made the original comment with tongue in cheek, but the point about Obama's supporters largely abandoning him in 2010 stands.
Clinton, it won't even be close.
minor effort
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Clinton's already won elections in New York.
I'm not sure about that. Bush has spent over 100 million attacking Rubio. I expect Bush supporters, the few that there are, don't much like Rubio. Endorsements matter if the person endorsing you is charismatic and can give a good interview promoting you. So even if Bush endorses Rubio he is so bad at speaking, he might actually hurt Rubio lol.
Manmademan
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2010. 2012, they showed up. not in the numbers they did in 08, but far in excess of what republicans expected.
Did you expect anything different from the Slime Master himself? Where's that Ghostbusters slime gif?
tearsintherain
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SC justices don't overturn previous rulings for at least 10 years, no matter the ideology differences. Yeah, maybe if Trump appoints Justice Chuck Norris and Justice Adam Sandler but otherwise it really is very safe.
The SC ruling on gay marriage literally was that couples have a right to marry nationwide and states can't set terms as its a violation of the 14th amendment.
GoldenEye 007
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We'll see how many of those are really out there. Remember, there was that same sentiment when Hillary ended up losing the primary race to Obama. And the vitrol seemed to be much worse then when it was apparent she was going to lose the nomination. I mean HillaryIs44 is still an active website I think! I think the vast majority of Bernie people won't be idiots and will vote for the democratic candidate.
Fake Edit: Only reason I ask about NY is because Trump is well known there too, right? And probably liked? Would be interesting.
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In 2012 a bunch of Democrats were turning their backs on Obama because he was supposedly "unpopular". No one remembers the woman who was advertising herself as "I don't like Obama and I love guns, yeeha!"? Forget who she was but it was really a thing, and a lot of that came from the bullshit about Obamacare being a horrible nightmare.
Michael F. Assbender
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I'm guessing Cruz gets the bulk. Bush went all in on Rubio, and Trump murdered Bush, so they're likely out.
Apologies. Yes, 2010. Going back to edit now.
Who cares. It's Hillary's responsibility to make people want to vote for her. This mentality that blames voters is counterproductive and silly. Maybe she should have been a better candidate. And I'm still betting this represents maybe 1% of IRL Bernie supporters.
I don't think you should give up on Bernie so easily, and i don't think you understand what's at stake.
This is not about having a "little further left" candidate. Hillary is not a leftist considering what her foreign policy is for ground troops in the middle east, her "expansion" of the ACA(which was a Romney plan), her plans for Wall Street(telling them to 'stop it')
This is about making sure that our democracy is governed by the people, and not the interests other politicians like Hillary shill for, like Exxon, the Pharmaceuticals, JP Morgan and so on. They aren't going to provide a credible agenda to start with besides helping themselves and leaving us out to dry.
Only in Sanders do we have an individual who bothers to do politics with the lower class civilian at the forefront of negotiations, because they are the ones who line his donor pockets, not corporate interests.
It is not on Bernie voters to "fall in line." It is on Clinton to convinced Bernie voters that she share Bernie's ideals and will fight to implement at least some of the changes Bernie campaigned on. It is her job as the party's nominee to bring the party together in November. If she cannot do it, then that is on her.
You'll forgive me, but I'm not going to take seriously an anonymous source describing what sounds like the results of the equivalent of a push poll. I guarantee you I could probably reproduce the same negative results the source describes for any candidate from any party.
I'll agree to disagree, though. I'm not really interested in debating the point. I know its taken as gospel that Sanders is automatically the weaker general election candidate. I understand why people think that, too.
There are multiple instances of SCOTUS overturning itself within a decade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_overruled_United_States_Supreme_Court_decisions
OuterLimits
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Trump still wins SC by 10 points despite:
1. Calling the Iraq war a disaster and attacking George Bush who is popular in SC
2. Getting in a fight with the Pope. Granted, the Pope started it.
3. Told the popular company Apple to Fuck off.
4. Was getting creamed yesterday for saying he supported Obamacare mandate. He later clarified he wants to keep the pre existing clause but repeal everything else. Regardless, his critics were attacking him and media was saying he loved Obamacare.
5. Cruz robocalls saying Trump supports gay marriage and amnesty.
6. The entire establishment including a popular Governor of the state backing Rubio.
Fairly impressive.
1. Calling the Iraq war a disaster and attacking George Bush who is popular in SC
2. Getting in a fight with the Pope. Granted, the Pope started it.
3. Told the popular company Apple to Fuck off.
4. Was getting creamed yesterday for saying he supported Obamacare mandate. He later clarified he wants to keep the pre existing clause but repeal everything else. Regardless, his critics were attacking him and media was saying he loved Obamacare.
5. Cruz robocalls saying Trump supports gay marriage and amnesty.
6. The entire establishment including a popular Governor of the state backing Rubio.
Fairly impressive.
As an Ohioan, NO NO NOOOOOOOO BAD POST!!!
Ohio just voted to defund Planned Parenthood. He's getting ready to sign it into law. He along with Secretary of State John Husted have been incrementally making it harder to vote including cutting 6 days from early voting and ending the "Golden Week" that allowed Ohioans to register and vote on the same day. He also signed a bill that makes it so that counties don't have to mail absentee ballots out at all if they don't want to, and Husted would have to get lawmaker approval to mail the ballots. It also easier for them to challenge and reject absentee ballots for missing information. Over a million Ohioans voted absentee in 2012.
Combine that with the law that made it so that polling places don't have to have as many voting machines as they used to have to have, allowing for artificially inflating lines at certain polling places.
This is not a person that should be in the presidency.
Roland_Gunner
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A fine sentiment, but if Clinton loses she goes home and has a fine old life. Hell the Clinton's would save a ton in taxes. Its the average voter who is going to suffer if Trump or whoever wins.
balladofwindfishes
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We're extremely liberal, one of the bluest states you can get.
Hillary was also our senator for several years, so it's basically a "home" state for her.
Michael F. Assbender
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Edit: Nevermind.
aspiegamer
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True, but it takes a sorta shitty person to willingly withhold help! We're talking about a vote within one's political party here. It doesn't get much easier than that when it comes to "help."
For someone supposedly burned by Obama you should know better than to blindly trust candidates promising insane, impossible stuff. So why Sanders? He makes Obama's original list of promises and plans sound outright doable and a cakewalk to accomplish in comparison. Supporting him, that's cool, but threatening to abstain? That's silly.
Yes because it's going to be all our fault that the Democrats picked a candidate that loses to a reality TV star that went bankrupt 3 times.
There needs to be a wakeup call within the Democratic party that throwing out a coronation for Hillary because it's "her turn" is bullshit. Younger voters continue being disenfranchised by the party by continuously pushing candidates that failed them when it mattered.
If it takes their person to lose when she was all but guaranteed to win then so be it.
I went through that once and backed Obama. All it got me was my insurance rates increased and thanks to the push in H1-B visas my wages stagnating. Can you see why I'm not exactly excited to continue that for another four years?
Where was my fucking help when I was unemployed for three years, having to get food stamps? Where was my help when I saw my five local banks consolidate into one and I was unable to buy a house? Where was my help when my former employer opted to replace me with someone from India?
I have to suck it up and continue that because somehow it's going to get much worse for me? Excuse me if I don't buy into the crock of shit that is having to inch my way forward with someone who wants to continue policies that indirectly fucked me just because some day it might get better.
I think the problem with this is that Obama attracted a lot of young voters. Voters who did not fully understand how our government works. Voters who believed electing a President was enough to change shit.
I am guilty of being one of these voters. I now know that voting is important, not just in presidential elections. There are three branches of government. People are ignorant.
Michael F. Assbender
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All your fault? Nope.
But it'll certainly play a part. Possibly a major part, if the massive numbers of new voters being seen in the Republican primaries are any indication of what the GE will look like.
Crimson_Fate
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Best he can do is 49 (Lost Iowa) . No one is going to vote for Cruz. The only candidate capable of beating him is Rubio and that is if Cruz drops out . The vote is too split at this point for trump to loose. Glad Cruz came in 3rd.
In either case I'll be voting for one of them (Trump or Rubio)
Anti Hilary vote I am assuming?
I've been so proud of the Daily News these past few months now. The only paper that says what everyone is thinking.
They were talking about delegates in SC. And, yes. It seems he is getting all 50.
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Yeah, it's either Rubio or Cruz or gets split so that no one gets a sizable bump. I just saw a Jeb supporter on MSNBC say she was going to vote for Hillary or Bernie over Trump in the general. Funny as hell.
It's still unknown how the population would vote come a general. I mean Bernie would be my number one but Hillary will still push for generally progressive policies. I'd hope for a bomb at the coronation ceremony for any candidate after that.
Seriously, Hillary wouldn't be my ideal choice either but so many people both foreign and domestic stand to have their lives worsened or ended if republicans got the white house back while in control of congress. The difference between Bernie and Hillary is not deep enough to make an ideological stand and risk being a few senate seats away from a majority republican federal government.
Seriously, Hillary wouldn't be my ideal choice either but so many people both foreign and domestic stand to have their lives worsened or ended if republicans got the white house back while in control of congress. The difference between Bernie and Hillary is not deep enough to make an ideological stand and risk being a few senate seats away from a majority republican federal government.
Prodigal Son
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I guess we can deal with money in politics for a few more decades.
lmao it's a hack of newspaper. No one takes it seriously.
That's not the way it works, just as it didn't work with Obama - instead voters stayed home because inspirational rhetoric gave way to cold hard facts in Congress, and compromises started being made.
I think the point people are trying to make is the election doesn't happen in a vacuum. You say "so be it" but what about the people who would lose the insurance, or be told they can longer marry the person they love? What about Transgender teens not having resources to end their suicidal thoughts? What about hard working good people being deported because of fear and hatred? What of turning away refugees fleeing war because our republican president thinks they're all terrorists? There's a lot at stake here.
Its Trump vs The World, and Trump is coming out from these battles unscathed. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger. Im beginning to believe more and more Trump will take the general if he gets the nom.
GoldenEye 007
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Well you can ask Jeb Bush how much money in politics actually mattered.
They've had some big real-talk covers these last few months, I especially liked the one on gun control where they shamed everyone against it a few months back. That made me really proud.
You're thinking of the Post. No one takes the Post seriously, the Daily News is able to get something right every now and again.
Basileus777
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Only the supreme court would could stop that anyway. And Hillary has the best chance of getting a Democratic Senate that would let her appoint a liberal justice.
A bomb at the coronation ceremony? Holy fuck dude
Prodigal Son
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Yeah. Clearly it doesn't matter at all.
balladofwindfishes
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So I take it, you'll take responsibility in 20-30 years when we finally get a Bernie like president who wants to pass all these major new liberal laws, and gets them passed, but they keep getting shot down by the justices appointed during the next presidency? 100 years of work towards progress thrown away due to a hissy fit 20 years earlier.
Stop thinking so short sighted. You're the one who needs the wake up call.
You think the fight for progress is hard now? Just wait until the Supreme Court makes it so we need a constitutional amendment to get nationalized healthcare due to conservative justices being appointed in 2016-2024.
Tell that to my neighbors here in Flint and how their water's doing.
This magical assumption that Hillary's going to nominate liberal anti-corporate justices is headshaking. We might get some justices that are liberal on social issues, but there's no fucking way she's going to get Citizens United overturned when it helps her so much.
How does it not make sense? These aren't two candidates who are like 1% apart in governing viewpoints.
A great many of those people who have something against Hillary have fully serious ideological concerns with her as a candidate and how she would run the country. Saying they are children because they won't vote for her and won't vote the democratic party line, even when a lot of those people aren't even democrats is asinine.
"Well if you don't vote for Hillary, you're a child!"
What exactly is she telling me to make me vote for her? Is her claiming that the very concept of money influencing politicians doesn't exist supposed to make someone support her?
There's no point in repealing it, as its just a piece of paper at this point anyway. Dodd Frank which was already weak to begin with in its original state is being dismantled every day through amendment process after amendment process.
Also, i don't see how you can claim a mini depression is going to happen if Hillary loses, when its already certain to happen if she wins.
Banks leverage is by definition far too high already. when one inevitably fails because of the non restrictions a hypothetical Clinton would never put on them, of course its going to ripple across the economy like in 2008.
The only thing that could even fix the problem is if they were
A. nationalized with their assets leveraged into the government
B. broken up into smaller entities with less leverage which bernie wants to do
C. Strictly regulated so that they could not gamble or invest with civilian deposits or commercial banking in general(glass steagal, which Hillary doesn't support)
But when her money is, by the hundred millions, in both speaking fees and campaign contributions, from that same industry, why would you even think they would donate to her if you thought she was going to do anything to curb their activities?
We already know that she's very glowing toward Goldman in her speech transcripts based on the people who were there.
There are already tons of media arms of these banks trying to convince you that "too big to fail is a myth!" and "breaking up the banks is wrong!"
That should enough to let people know the truth of the matter, when they defraud the US government almost every few weeks and get a slap on the wrist.
It's part of the democrat platform pretty much across the board.
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