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[TheBritishBear]

Bernie has the perception of authenticity. He never wavered from his position and he has values and ideals that appeal very much to young voters. As much as people like to drag on that Hillary is realistic and pragmatic, it isn't what young voters want.

They want free college. They want healthcare. They want more opportunities to get jobs. These are all appealing things to the young people. They don't give a shit about foreign policy. They don't give a shit about the state of the middle east.

What they want is a strong economy and more money in their pockets instead of living from paycheck to paycheck while in poverty with a degree that isn't helping them get a job.

Bernie speaks to those kind of people and frankly, Hillary isn't getting it. I mean, it's very likely she will win (unless Bernie pulls out amazing results), but it's going to demoralise the youth voters and that's very concerning for the general election. Hillary needs to connect with the youth voters, so she needs to connect more with their issues and to act like she's genuine instead of flip-flopping on various issues.

 

[Jarmel]

Correction: Hillary's corruption, lying and being overall dishonest will ruin her chances of winning against the Republicans. The reason why so many of us Progressives won't vote for her is because we aren't playing this 'Lesser of Two Evils' game anymore. It's a lose-lose regardless and we are sick of it.

I just don't understand this logic.

 

[Aylinato]

Correction: Hillary's corruption, lying and being overall dishonest will ruin her chances of winning against the Republicans. The reason why so many of us Progressives won't vote for her is because we aren't playing this 'Lesser of Two Evils' game anymore. It's a lose-lose regardless and we are sick of it.

Tell me your political stances so I can tell you if you are a progressive or not.

Also republican in the white means 2 conservative SCOTUS members replacing liberal/swing vote, do you think America can afford that if Hilary gets nominated?

Are you willing to throw away all progressive ideas just because Hilary gets the nomination by not voting for her?

 

[Zzoram]

Bernie has the perception of authenticity. He never wavered from his position and he has values and ideals that appeal very much to young voters. As much as people like to drag on that Hillary is realistic and pragmatic, it isn't what young voters want.

They want free college. They want healthcare. They want more opportunities to get jobs. These are all appealing things to the young people. They don't give a shit about foreign policy. They don't give a shit about the state of the middle east.

What they want is a strong economy and more money in their pockets instead of living from paycheck to paycheck while in poverty with a degree that isn't helping them get a job.

Bernie speaks to those kind of people and frankly, Hillary isn't getting it. I mean, it's very likely she will win (unless Bernie pulls out amazing results), but it's going to demoralise the youth voters and that's very concerning for the general election. Hillary needs to connect with the youth voters, so she needs to connect more with their issues and to act like she's genuine instead of flip-flopping on various issues.

The President's main power (other than Supreme Court nominations) in a world with a perpetually Republican congress is foreign policy. Bernie doesn't know or care about the main part of the presidency.

The President can't give people universal healthcare or free college tuition.

 

[phanphare]

Hillary has very poor favorables with non-Democrats. If she loses, the blame goes to her campaign failing to energize voters and to decades of GOP smears, not to a probably statistically irrelevant minority of folks who stay home specifically because she's not Bernie Sanders.

something tells me that will still be brought up frequently if she does happen to lose

 

[timmy]

Saying that Secretary Clinton vs. The eventual republican nominee is the choice between "the lesser of two evils" makes complete sense if you look at it from the perspective of a person with no opinion on foreign policy, economic policy, gay rights, gun violence, race relations, education, women's rights, or public health policy.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

You don't think Rubio will be the nominee? The math doesn't work for any candidate to win enough delegates to get the nomination if the current field sticks around to march 1. That means we'd be going into a brokered convention which will end up with the establishment pick. Trump could run as a spoiler third party but he wouldn't even be on the ballot in some states.

If Trump has the most primary wins and the most delegates, it would be suicide to not pick him as the nominee.

They'll just take the loss on Trump and try to make up some ground on local elections.

 

[hom3land]

Cory Booker's time to shine.

Don't think America is ready to vote someone like him as a VP.. Maybe the Internet has jaded me.

Spoiler

He's a vegetarian

 

[numble]

You don't think Rubio will be the nominee? The math doesn't work for any candidate to win enough delegates to get the nomination if the current field sticks around to march 1. That means we'd be going into a brokered convention which will end up with the establishment pick. Trump could run as a spoiler third party but he wouldn't even be on the ballot in some states.

Can you explain your math? The math does seem to work out if winner-take-all states go for Trump. The rules for each state are also a bit wonky, some states have 20% thresholds, so if the third place (or even second place) finisher has lower than 20%, they don't get any delegates. South Carolina gave all 50 delegates to Trump even though its theoretically a "proportional state".

 

[boiled goose]

In what insane world is voting for a candidate that has a record 93% identical to Sanders, continuing the progress made over the last 8 years and possibly nominating up to 3 (THREE!) USSC Judges a lose for Progressivism?

Jesus. And then people whine about being talked down to when called out on spouting nonsense.

You see progress... sure we have made progress in social issues.

However, the income gap is WIDENING not getting smaller. That is not progress... people are just as fucked or more fucked now even though the economy as a whole recovered.

Hillary is OF COURSE a billion times better than any Republican. I acknowledged this.

However, if you dont understand why people are desperate and sick of the current way government is working then that is exactly why Hillary is not quite breaking through with young voters.

 

[Blader]

Anyone who thinks this election (or any presidential election) is a zero-sum game where you have to go all-in on one candidate or go home isn't a progressive, and has no idea what the hell political progress even entails.

However, if you dont understand why people are desperate and sick of the current way government is working then that is exactly why Hillary is not quite breaking through with young voters.

The reason the current government doesn't work is because Republicans -- and partly hard-right Republicans from extremely conservative, white districts -- control Congress. The reason they control Congress is because liberals don't give a shit about midterms and blew it in 2010 when their support was needed most.

 

[massoluk]

Correction: Hillary's corruption, lying and being overall dishonest will ruin her chances of winning against the Republicans. The reason why so many of us Progressives won't vote for her is because we aren't playing this 'Lesser of Two Evils' game anymore. It's a lose-lose regardless and we are sick of it.

How can anyone still say this after Antonin Scalia happened.

 

[boiled goose]

Anyone who thinks this election (or any presidential election) is a zero-sum game where you have to go all-in on one candidate or go home isn't a progressive, and has no idea what the hell political progress even entails.

I agree people should always vote for the best option. It gets people to start catering to you.

However, you should definitely put pressure on candidates to earn that vote. It's a tough balance.

If your vote is guaranteed because other options are worse then you dont get to shape policy. This is why primaries are important. Hillary has already been moved left and influenced by Bernie.

The reason the current government doesn't work is because Republicans -- and partly hard-right Republicans from extremely conservative, white districts -- control Congress. The reason they control Congress is because liberals don't give a shit about midterms and blew it in 2010 when their support was needed most.

This is an over simplification. Sure gerrymandering and gridlock are part of the problem, but not the full picture. Money runs the government. Republicans are more corrupt but Democrats play the same game. This corruption helps Republicans remain in power.

Sure if perfectly informed voters would vote rationally all the time it would beat money. But that is not realistic. It is impossible to be informed when all this garbage is flooding your brain. Not just in political adds but the corporate media itself.

To blame Republicans is not getting the real problem. Money runs the show.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

Edit:
LOL, totally wrong tab.

 

[Cybit]

Hillary has very poor favorables with non-Democrats. If she loses, the blame goes to her campaign failing to energize voters and to decades of GOP smears, not to a probably statistically irrelevant minority of folks who stay home specifically because she's not Bernie Sanders.

Pretty much this. Pro-Sanders folks who stay home will not remotely decide this election. The GOP has a much worse version of this potentially brewing with Trump voters to be honest.

 

[mcfrank]

You see progress... sure we have made progress in social issues.

However, the income gap is WIDENING not getting smaller. That is not progress... people are just as fucked or more fucked now even though the economy as a whole recovered.

Hillary is OF COURSE a billion times better than any Republican. I acknowledged this.

However, if you dont understand why people are desperate and sick of the current way government is working then that is exactly why Hillary is not quite breaking through with young voters.

Do you vote in Midterms?

 

[metalslimer]

Bernie has the perception of authenticity. He never wavered from his position and he has values and ideals that appeal very much to young voters. As much as people like to drag on that Hillary is realistic and pragmatic, it isn't what young voters want.

They want free college. They want healthcare. They want more opportunities to get jobs. These are all appealing things to the young people. They don't give a shit about foreign policy. They don't give a shit about the state of the middle east.

What they want is a strong economy and more money in their pockets instead of living from paycheck to paycheck while in poverty with a degree that isn't helping them get a job.

Bernie speaks to those kind of people and frankly, Hillary isn't getting it. I mean, it's very likely she will win (unless Bernie pulls out amazing results), but it's going to demoralise the youth voters and that's very concerning for the general election. Hillary needs to connect with the youth voters, so she needs to connect more with their issues and to act like she's genuine instead of flip-flopping on various issues.

Honestly Bernie is filling these kids with false hope that he'd be able to accomplish any of those things especially in his first term. Sure Hilary could lie and say she is going to get single payer and free education passed but she'd just get the party trounced in the midterms when none of that came through.

The real political revolution can only happen if young voters actually stay engaged and vote in all elections.

 

[boiled goose]

Pretty much this. Pro-Sanders folks who stay home will not remotely decide this election. The GOP has a much worse version of this potentially brewing with Trump voters to be honest.

Yup... Hillary is NOT a strong candidate unfortunately for the general. ~50 percent unfavorables and ~30 percent favorables.

After Nevada, it seems she has been able to halt some berniementum and will likely be the nominee. Folks will have to vote for her without being excited for her.

 

[phanphare]

Pretty much this. Pro-Sanders folks who stay home will not remotely decide this election. The GOP has a much worse version of this potentially brewing with Trump voters to be honest.

it'll be funny to see voting against the other candidate as the driving motivation behind a significant portion of both sides. I'm sure many republicans will "hold their nose" to vote for Trump to ensure Hillary doesn't win and I'm sure many left leaning democrats and independents will "hold their nose" to vote for Hillary to ensure that Trump doesn't win. good times.

 

[Prologue]

Saying that Secretary Clinton vs. The eventual republican nominee is the choice between "the lesser of two evils" makes complete sense if you look at it from the perspective of a person with no opinion on foreign policy, economic policy, gay rights, gun violence, race relations, education, women's rights, or public health policy.

But at the end of the day, some people just don't like her. And when the majority of voters that are 35 and younger are consistently voting for another candidate, thats an issue of character.

I'm about to graduate dental school on scholarship and I'm fortunate enough to only have 3k in undergrad debt. Most of the proposals that Bernie is running on, I have no personal gain in. But they are popular in other countries and its worth a look into. Often Hillary and other candidates try to turn people away from those ideas, like we're the only country in the world or something and we have to do it our way. Its just incredibly bizarre to me that they actually try to shield people from a way of life outside of our borders.

I honestly wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if my youth will have a better situation. Bernie might not have been able to pass what he wanted, but he had a better chance of keeping people involved in the political process and getting "better" people in the senate and congress. I just don't see people caring much again after Hillary wins and it'll just be business as usual.

So if Hillary, another politician that has switched her view points consistently over the years for betterment of her candidacy, wins the democratic nomination, I'm not so sure I'll vote for her. At least with Trump, my future salary will be untouched. Call it stupid, selfish, immature. But some people are just fed up with the political games people play. People don't want to compromise anymore. Some people can't afford to compromise anymore.

 

[Blader]

Bernie has the perception of authenticity. He never wavered from his position and he has values and ideals that appeal very much to young voters. As much as people like to drag on that Hillary is realistic and pragmatic, it isn't what young voters want.

They want free college. They want healthcare. They want more opportunities to get jobs. These are all appealing things to the young people. They don't give a shit about foreign policy. They don't give a shit about the state of the middle east.

What they want is a strong economy and more money in their pockets instead of living from paycheck to paycheck while in poverty with a degree that isn't helping them get a job.

Bernie speaks to those kind of people and frankly, Hillary isn't getting it. I mean, it's very likely she will win (unless Bernie pulls out amazing results), but it's going to demoralise the youth voters and that's very concerning for the general election. Hillary needs to connect with the youth voters, so she needs to connect more with their issues and to act like she's genuine instead of flip-flopping on various issues.

So to attract younger voters, Hillary needs to make shit up about things that will never happen in the next four years (free college? lol) and pretend that the Middle East doesn't exist?

Not only is that a totally ludicrous and disingenuous platform, but it's the exact "flip-flopping" you're saying in this same post that she should stay away from.

 

[Aylinato]

Yup... Hillary is NOT a strong candidate unfortunately for the general. ~50 percent unfavorables and ~30 percent favorables.

After Nevada, it seems she has been able to halt some berniementum and will likely be the nominee. Folks will have to vote for her without being excited for her.

I'm excited for Hillary to win because Bernie would most likely lose in the general being he can't get the old democrats excited about him, he's no Barack Obama, and he's promising things to voters that are not obtainable with how gerrymandered this election will be in house seats.


There are two more SCOTUS seats up in 8 years, if we don't win the presidency then you may as well kiss all progressive ideas and all the progress we made over 16 years good bye.

 

[metalslimer]

it'll be funny to see voting against the other candidate as the driving motivation behind a significant portion of both sides. I'm sure many republicans will "hold their nose" to vote for Trump to ensure Hillary doesn't win and I'm sure many left leaning democrats and independents will "hold their nose" to vote for Hillary to ensure that Trump doesn't win. good times.

Hilary is pretty well liked among the party nationally so I really don't see where this fiction that democrats hate her come from.

 

[Cybit]

it'll be funny to see voting against the other candidate as the driving motivation behind a significant portion of both sides. I'm sure many republicans will "hold their nose" to vote for Trump to ensure Hillary doesn't win and I'm sure many left leaning democrats and independents will "hold their nose" to vote for Hillary to ensure that Trump doesn't win. good times.

I think if it was a non Sanders non Clinton nominee, a lot of GOP voters would not vote for Trump. Clinton and Sanders specifically scare them more than random Dem nominee.

 

[phanphare]

I'm excited for Hillary to win because Bernie would most likely lose in the general being he can't get the old democrats excited about him, he's no Barack Obama, and he's promising things to voters that are not obtainable with how gerrymandered this election will be in house seats.


There are two more SCOTUS seats up in 8 years, if we don't win the presidency then you may as well kiss all progressive ideas and all the progress we made over 16 years good bye.

the lesser of two evils game should be old hat for older democrats by now, I'm sure they would have come out for Sanders if he had won

 

[Blader]

So if Hillary, another politician that has switched her view points consistently over the years for betterment of her candidacy, wins the democratic nomination, I'm not so sure I'll vote for her. At least with Trump, my future salary will be untouched. Call it stupid, selfish, immature. But some people are just fed up with the political games people play. People don't want to compromise anymore. Some people can't afford to compromise anymore.

Huh?

 

[Oriel]

Correction: Hillary's corruption, lying and being overall dishonest will ruin her chances of winning against the Republicans. The reason why so many of us Progressives won't vote for her is because we aren't playing this 'Lesser of Two Evils' game anymore. It's a lose-lose regardless and we are sick of it.

Firstly Hillary supporters are also Progressives so knock it off with this claim that Progressives can only support Bernie. Secondly, who's this "we"?

 

[boiled goose]

Do you vote in Midterms?

Yes?? I dont see how this is relevant.
I dont vote in primaries though.

Regarding midterms. Again folks SHOULD ALWAYS vote but I Understand why progressives were not excited about Obama's first term. Hint: it wasn't about WHAT he did or didn't do. He promised to change HOW government was run. He didn't... he appointed lobbyists, too big to prosecute, handouts to the wealthy, etc.

Not WHAT, but HOW. This is why Bernie not being able to do everything doesn't matter much to his supporters... they know this. They just want someone fighting for them. Not someone catering to other interests.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm also confused as to how young people would stay involved in politics with Sanders as president when very little of what he wanted got passed. These are the same people you are arguing won't be enthused to vote just because their guy lost.

 

[giga]

So if Hillary, another politician that has switched her view points consistently over the years for betterment of her candidacy, wins the democratic nomination, I'm not so sure I'll vote for her. At least with Trump, my future salary will be untouched. Call it stupid, selfish, immature. But some people are just fed up with the political games people play. People don't want to compromise anymore. Some people can't afford to compromise anymore.

I'm trying to imagine in what world you're living where Trump doesn't switch positions and is not playing political games.

 

[HylianTom]

Hilary is pretty well liked among the party nationally so I really don't see where this fiction that democrats hate her come from.

Yeah, polling doesn't bear this out one bit.

Her supporters might not be as loud online, but the internet =/= real life.

To folks who are ever-present online and looking at their little electronic glowscreens all day, at home, while driving, at work, at the bar, at restaurants, walking down the sidewalks.. the world seems like it's always "BERNIEBERNIEBERNIEhillaryBERNIEBERNIE," but there are whole swaths of the electorate that don't live online. I think that this might be part of why there's a gap. A candidate's base can be loud online, but when push comes to shove in the polling booth, we plainly see that this does not automatically translate.

 

[boiled goose]

I'm also confused as to how young people would stay involved in politics with Sanders as president when very little of what he wanted got passed. These are the same people you are arguing won't be enthused to vote just because their guy lost.

Again.. it's not What, but how. People want a change in how.

I'm excited for Hillary to win because Bernie would most likely lose in the general being he can't get the old democrats excited about him, he's no Barack Obama, and he's promising things to voters that are not obtainable with how gerrymandered this election will be in house seats.


There are two more SCOTUS seats up in 8 years, if we don't win the presidency then you may as well kiss all progressive ideas and all the progress we made over 16 years good bye.

Polling shows Sanders does better in head to head matchups.. so your beliefs are based on feelings not current facts

There are valid reasons to support Hillary. More professive on guns. Solid on education. Cut throat saavy long game politics vs uncompromising principle. General election viability is not a valid argument supported by facts.

 

[Maledict]

Yup... Hillary is NOT a strong candidate unfortunately for the general. ~50 percent unfavorables and ~30 percent favorables.

After Nevada, it seems she has been able to halt some berniementum and will likely be the nominee. Folks will have to vote for her without being excited for her.

So she's won both the states where victory is decided by enthusiasm and organisation, but no-one wants to vote for her? And she's going to win the vast maority of states over the next few weeks because people don't want to support her?

I have never understood this argument by Sanders fans. If people don't want to vote for Hilary, or aren't enthusiastic about her, then she wouldn't be winning. You can't claim to be leading a revolution if you keep losing when it comes to voting time!

It honestly feels like there's this small bubble of incredibly hyper Bernie supporters, and they don't realise they just because they aren't excited by Hilary, other people can be. She fought Obama to a standstill in 2008, she's probably going to win this time around, she's hugely loved by the party - the image of Hilary Bernie fans fight against just doesn't match up to reality.

 

[Aylinato]

the lesser of two evils game should be old hat for older democrats by now, I'm sure they would have come out for Sanders if he had won

Lesser of two evils? That's not what I was saying. Bernie does not energize the base, Barack Obama energized the base, when people look at Bernie they see an old man.

Hillary is not even "lesser of two evils" I'm so sick of people saying that when describing her vs republicans just because they are sick with how the republicans have turned politics into. Like if you want change you better vote for Hillary and come out in the g'damn midterms

 

[massoluk]

So if Hillary, another politician that has switched her view points consistently over the years for betterment of her candidacy, wins the democratic nomination, I'm not so sure I'll vote for her. At least with Trump, my future salary will be untouched. Call it stupid, selfish, immature. But some people are just fed up with the political games people play. People don't want to compromise anymore. Some people can't afford to compromise anymore.

I'm legit confused here, why is Trump ok and Hilary is not? Why would your hypothetical future salary be safe with Trump and not Hilary? Why do you talk about Trump and excuse him from switching viewpoint? Trump quite literally switched from Clinton's camp to Republican camp.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

If you want to stay home November 4th, please be sure to visit a mosque on January 21st to let the people there know why you decided to stand your ground. I'm sure they will be excited to hear about how free college tuition and wall street corruption was such an important issue for you.

I never said I was staying home. I'm just not voting Two-Party. Plus, yes, I AM a Progressive to those who claim I am not. Regardless of who wins between Trump and Clinton, we are screwed as a country. I don't give in to fear mongering.

 

[phanphare]

Lesser of two evils? That's not what I was saying. Bernie does not energize the base, Barack Obama energized the base, when people look at Bernie they see an old man.

Hillary is not even "lesser of two evils" I'm so sick of people saying that when describing her vs republicans just because they are sick with how the republicans have turned politics into. Like if you want change you better vote for Hillary and come out in the g'damn midterms

you were implying that older democrats would stay home if it was Trump vs. Bernie. I was saying that older democrats are likely used to voting for a less-than-ideal candidate to stop a much worse candidate from getting through and would therefore come out to vote for Bernie.

 

[Zornack]

I never said I was staying home. I'm just not voting Two-Party. Plus, yes, I AM a Progressive to those who claim I am not. Regardless of who wins between Trump and Clinton, we are screwed as a country. I don't give in to fear mongering. So much butt hurt in this thread.

You don't give in to fear mongering except when fear mongering convinced you that any candidate other than Sanders will screw this country.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

You don't give in to fear mongering except when fear mongering convinced you that any candidate other than Sanders will screw this country.

Hillary's record speaks well for itself in terms of her corruption.

 

[HylianTom]

I never said I was staying home. I'm just not voting Two-Party. Plus, yes, I AM a Progressive to those who claim I am not. Regardless of who wins between Trump and Clinton, we are screwed as a country. I don't give in to fear mongering. So much butt hurt in this thread.

Explain to me how a "progressive" willingly votes in a manner that cedes the Supreme Court to politicians who would see to it that progressivism dies.

I'll wait patiently.

And I'll note, yet again, that there is no real substantive answer to this argument. "Butt hurt" is emotional fluff language. Give us some substance.

 

[RDreamer]

Correction: Hillary's corruption, lying and being overall dishonest will ruin her chances of winning against the Republicans. The reason why so many of us Progressives won't vote for her is because we aren't playing this 'Lesser of Two Evils' game anymore. It's a lose-lose regardless and we are sick of it.

No, the reason many of you progressives won't vote for her is because you don't understand how our voting/political system works.

You don't give in to fear mongering except when fear mongering convinced you that any candidate other than Sanders will screw this country.

This.

It's funny because I'm pretty certain Sanders himself would vehemently disagree with ShadowKingpin on this issue. He knows how to compromise to get progress and has done it time and time again. I wouldn't be surprised if he came out and tried to rally people to vote for Hillary if/when she wins.

 

[Slayven]

You don't give in to fear mongering except when fear mongering convinced you that any candidate other than Sanders will screw this country.

Man think for posting that, I thought I was crazy

 

[Zornack]

Hillary's record speaks well for itself in terms of her corruption.

No, it doesn't.

 

[massoluk]

Regardless of who wins between Trump and Clinton, we are screwed as a country.

The next sentence

I don't give in to fear mongering

 

[Primethius]

I never said I was staying home. I'm just not voting Two-Party. Plus, yes, I AM a Progressive to those who claim I am not. Regardless of who wins between Trump and Clinton, we are screwed as a country. I don't give in to fear mongering.

Right. But they aren't at the same level at all. Trump and Clinton are worlds apart.

 

[boiled goose]

So she's won both the states where victory is decided by enthusiasm and organisation, but no-one wants to vote for her? And she's going to win the vast maority of states over the next few weeks because people don't want to support her?

I have never understood this argument by Sanders fans. If people don't want to vote for Hilary, or aren't enthusiastic about her, then she wouldn't be winning. You can't claim to be leading a revolution if you keep losing when it comes to voting time!

It honestly feels like there's this small bubble of incredibly hyper Bernie supporters, and they don't realise they just because they aren't excited by Hilary, other people can be. She fought Obama to a standstill in 2008, she's probably going to win this time around, she's hugely loved by the party - the image of Hilary Bernie fans fight against just doesn't match up to reality.

It is a fair point that the primary will decide the stronger candidate among registered Democrats. I grant that.

You miss two points. Caucuses are small. 80k vs a million in general in Nevada for example.

Second. Bernie does better among independents.

For the record, I'm not a Bernie supporter. I don't vote in primaries. Just call it how i see it.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I never said I was staying home. I'm just not voting Two-Party. Plus, yes, I AM a Progressive to those who claim I am not. Regardless of who wins between Trump and Clinton, we are screwed as a country.

I don't give in to fear mongering

Yeah ya do. Just a different type

 

[Oriel]

This has bothered me for a while. His co-host Ana is Armenian and she said somewhere she would never work for someone who denied the genocide. When she was asked about Cenk's views (on twitter I think) she mentioned his denial was long ago and that people change their views all the time.

Cenk annoys me frequently but I want people to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. Maybe he's worried about Turkish nationalists attacking his family or something if he condemns the genocide, or maybe his family are deniers themselves and he doesn't want to cause trouble, or maybe he's just too ashamed to admit he was wrong. I don't know. He refuses to answer questions on the topic so his silence is ambiguous

He clearly was a denier, but I don't think Ana would work for him if he still was. She has implied that his views have changed and there's no reason to distrust her

Maybe but Cenk's never addressed this issue when asked multiple times. He's had ample time to clarify his position but so far it's ambiguity and avoidance. I suspect Cenk still holds such views, he would have said so by now if he had shifted his views. But for whatever reason Cenk and his co-host just don't talk about the Armenian Genocide in some weird version of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Maybe they prefer to deal with present day issues of mutual concern than rehash something that happened a century ago.

 

[Giant Panda]

Polling shows Sanders does better in head to head matchups.. so your beliefs are based on feelings not current facts

There are valid reasons to support Hillary. More professive on guns. Solid on education. Cut throat saavy long game politics vs uncompromising principle. General election viability is not a valid argument supported by facts.

There are facts other than current general election polling, and current general election polling isn't very reliable at this point anyway.

 

[Aaronology]

Hillary's record speaks well for itself in terms of her corruption.

The same record that is practically identical to the politician you ardently support. Ok.