shinra-bansho
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There's a chance, I guess.
Depends on how racist, sexist and bigoted the swing state electorates are.
Depends on how racist, sexist and bigoted the swing state electorates are.
Does anybody really believe Trump has a chance of winning?
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RPGCrazied
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God help us all. If the GOP want to stop him, they have to do something right now. Waiting until after Super Tuesday is a mistake. He is about to become the nominee of your party. What an embarrassment. I'd be ashamed to be labeled as a Republican if he won.
Wake up America.
Wake up America.
Delt31
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I was going to reply but this pretty much says it all.
Hillary is selling more of the same, she is running on Obama's platform, yet has none of his perks. She is not charismatic or likable like he is.
Trump is selling economic populism and “America First” nationalism. He is very charismatic and entertaining
Come debates these two ideas clash, in what will likely be a massive ratings battle not seen in decades, reality of more of the same vs. some dream that harkens back to maybe 1980s.
Considering the participants, considering who Hillary is, and what Trump has shown so far: I think Trump wins that. He moves to the center after the Republican election, and pounces on the numerous negatives surrounding the Clintons.
When push comes to shove, Hillary is very beatable, Obama beat her in 08, and she has to fend off Sanders in what should have been a easy, landslide victory.
The argument that some republicans hate Trump so much they will want to vote for anyone else is not something i am buying. Maybe if the democratic candidate was some random fresh face "Cillary Hilton" the 38 year old attorney from New York. But its Hillary. I dont see republicans voting for her, no matter what Trump does.
Trump is selling economic populism and “America First” nationalism. He is very charismatic and entertaining
Come debates these two ideas clash, in what will likely be a massive ratings battle not seen in decades, reality of more of the same vs. some dream that harkens back to maybe 1980s.
Considering the participants, considering who Hillary is, and what Trump has shown so far: I think Trump wins that. He moves to the center after the Republican election, and pounces on the numerous negatives surrounding the Clintons.
When push comes to shove, Hillary is very beatable, Obama beat her in 08, and she has to fend off Sanders in what should have been a easy, landslide victory.
The argument that some republicans hate Trump so much they will want to vote for anyone else is not something i am buying. Maybe if the democratic candidate was some random fresh face "Cillary Hilton" the 38 year old attorney from New York. But its Hillary. I dont see republicans voting for her, no matter what Trump does.
Bel Marduk
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It'll be a close race because people also strongly dislike Hillary Clinton
If we had Sanders as the Democratic nominee (which would be a long shot) we would handily defeat any Republican
If we had Sanders as the Democratic nominee (which would be a long shot) we would handily defeat any Republican
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Here is a glimpse of Trump debating with Hillary:
Great question.
Corruption and lobbying is the biggest problem we have in this country, the biggest, it's huge. It's supposed to be "we the people", in big letters at the top, remember? Not in small letters at the back of the page.
When the political system isn't working for the people, and it hasn't been working for the people, then how can we say America is a great country?
When I say I'll make America great again that means my number one goal is to make sure everyone in congress can work for their constituents. But right now, let me tell you I had politicians on both sides tell me "we can't, if we don't take the money we'll get booted out, someone else will take it", there are many in Washington who are really angry with that, but the establishment is preventing them from saying or doing something about it.
That's why they keep complaining about everything I say, about how well I'm doing, even FOX News! Who exactly are they working for? And you hear the same from the Democrats' own backers, and they're financing Hillary and some people who used to finance Jeb Bush's campaign have gone on record saying they would finance Hillary's campaign if I won the nomination! And they are!
You can't elect another president who's in the pocket of the establishment, it just won't work. It won't. Who do you think Hillary will be accountable to, the people or those who financed her campaign? Cause we all know if it wasn't for them she wouldn't be running in this election, she might never have even been senator.
Remember when Bernie Sanders was so popular among democrats and the race was so close, everyone thought this would be a really close race, and suddenly he started losing a lot? I don't agree with Bernie Sanders but at least he wasn't backed by the establishment, and that's why he lost. It's not the policies, it's who are your accountable to.
Well I can tell you if I become president I'm going to be accountable to the people, not the establishment who tried and is still trying to take me down! Who do you think Hillary will be accountable to? The establishment, it's obvious! And we can't make America great again by putting their candidate in office again, otherwise this country is going to hell.
Great question.
Corruption and lobbying is the biggest problem we have in this country, the biggest, it's huge. It's supposed to be "we the people", in big letters at the top, remember? Not in small letters at the back of the page.
When the political system isn't working for the people, and it hasn't been working for the people, then how can we say America is a great country?
When I say I'll make America great again that means my number one goal is to make sure everyone in congress can work for their constituents. But right now, let me tell you I had politicians on both sides tell me "we can't, if we don't take the money we'll get booted out, someone else will take it", there are many in Washington who are really angry with that, but the establishment is preventing them from saying or doing something about it.
That's why they keep complaining about everything I say, about how well I'm doing, even FOX News! Who exactly are they working for? And you hear the same from the Democrats' own backers, and they're financing Hillary and some people who used to finance Jeb Bush's campaign have gone on record saying they would finance Hillary's campaign if I won the nomination! And they are!
You can't elect another president who's in the pocket of the establishment, it just won't work. It won't. Who do you think Hillary will be accountable to, the people or those who financed her campaign? Cause we all know if it wasn't for them she wouldn't be running in this election, she might never have even been senator.
Remember when Bernie Sanders was so popular among democrats and the race was so close, everyone thought this would be a really close race, and suddenly he started losing a lot? I don't agree with Bernie Sanders but at least he wasn't backed by the establishment, and that's why he lost. It's not the policies, it's who are your accountable to.
Well I can tell you if I become president I'm going to be accountable to the people, not the establishment who tried and is still trying to take me down! Who do you think Hillary will be accountable to? The establishment, it's obvious! And we can't make America great again by putting their candidate in office again, otherwise this country is going to hell.
A lot of people answering "no" based on a emotion. The fact is, if it's Hillary vs Trump, the chances are high that Trump will be the next president of the US. It just sounds so crazy saying it, people, including me, have a difficult time even imagining a Trump presidency in our head.
Mr. Giggles
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Hear here
balladofwindfishes
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By courting latinos in Florida.
Which Trump is doing the opposite of.
It's not emotion. It's looking at the demographics required to become president and Trump lacking support from those demographics.
The angry white vote doesn't go as far as it used to. You haven't been able to win on just that vote since the 80s.
Outside of global economic collapse or some really, really crazy terrorist attack happening on US soil that triggers an outburst of jingoism and nationalist appeal, I don't see how Trump can win. Hell, being that the Republicans have to defend a lot of seats obtained in that 2010 tea party wave, it would actually be far more probable that the Democrats win their own massive wave election to at least win back the Senate.
For as much as people believe Hillary to have skeletons or be generally unfavorable, Trump is way worse and way worse to a whole lot more people. If this was a 1984 electorate then maybe that wouldn't matter. But it's not 1984.
For as much as people believe Hillary to have skeletons or be generally unfavorable, Trump is way worse and way worse to a whole lot more people. If this was a 1984 electorate then maybe that wouldn't matter. But it's not 1984.
Mr. Giggles
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While I admire his point of keeping corporate interests out of government, I find it ironic that he built his own fortune through corporations of his own (not including the wealth he already inherited)
He's a great salesman I'll say that much, and his courting to the republican voter base is a classic case of know your customer
LordOfChaos
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Thing is, it's been "Sure he's doing well now, but he'll never _____" for the entire race.
I would be interested in seeing a potential electoral map from those saying that Trump could win.
What states does he win? Show us how he gets to 270.
www.270towin.com
What states does he win? Show us how he gets to 270.
I'm im the mood for a good laugh this morning.
www.270towin.com
shinra-bansho
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So, maybe it's because she's thought of as more hawkish or maybe it's because of her background as Sec State; but national security and the commander-and-chief test is something despite being a Democrat, who for whatever reason are seen as weaker on these, and despite being a woman, with all the inherent biases... she outperforms other candidates on both sides on these issues.
So, I don't think that would actually help him.
An economic downturn would help him though, given she's tied herself closely with the current administration.
Woody Invincible
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I think many here are being closed minded that the general populace love electing celebrities into office. People might vote for him hoping to see real life Apprentice.
There's a good chance Trump can win New York. I think people are giving Clinton too much undeserved credit.
Trump probably has a Grays Sports Almanac that his future self gave him, as well.
There's a good chance Trump can win New York. I think people are giving Clinton too much undeserved credit.
Trump probably has a Grays Sports Almanac that his future self gave him, as well.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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Cosigned. But, I wouldn't be shocked if my Republican family members, who wanted Cruz or Carson, vote for Trump in the general election because they wouldn't dare move to the left. Terrible decision by them if that's the case.
Cybrwzrd
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Angelus Errare
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Just a snapshot of America at large. Everyone and their mom still thinks white people alone will decide the future President.
Grover Cleveland
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Trump's only chance of winning is if minorities just stay home completely. Which is...possible, but considering the fact that many a Republican nominee has tried and failed to use the same playbook, would require a good deal of fortune for him.
There aren't enough white bigots to just carry him through the general.
There aren't enough white bigots to just carry him through the general.
platformmaster918
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Eh they're both pretty Unlikable compared to Clinton or Reagan. Obama is super arrogant but Hillary is slightly more corrupt so it's a toss up which I don't like more
Officerrob
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Trump isn't winning Virginia
A) Florida -latino vote isn't going to vote for Trump
B) Ohio - usually pretty close but I don't see that state swinging to the the far right
captainnapalm
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Aren't there polls showing that Trump is actually getting a lot more minority votes than people think, and more than any of the other Republicans, from past elections included. Or have they been disproven.
That would probably be his very best-case scenario, although Virginia is now looking more and more like a light blue state these days (every statewide office is now a Democrat, and the Dems still won there during the GOP's high-tide in 2014). He'd need depressed turnout in the rapidly-growing DC suburbs to the north.
I do.
I just posted this in what I thought was this thread. I just saw how more people voted for Trump in Nevada, just Trump, than the amount that voted for everyone totaled up in 2012. That's insane, and really gives a good example of how this year is much more different, and how good of a shot he actually will have, in the general election.
I just posted this in what I thought was this thread. I just saw how more people voted for Trump in Nevada, just Trump, than the amount that voted for everyone totaled up in 2012. That's insane, and really gives a good example of how this year is much more different, and how good of a shot he actually will have, in the general election.
Vade
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http://www.270towin.com/maps/qypox; Is not far fetched at all for a Trump general win. Which is a rather worrying. The GOP is going to rally around Trump for a "well at least we get a white house win" similar to the "enemy of my enemy is my friend". Rubio can gift Trump Florida; that is, once again, the skeleton key for the general. This is assuming Hilary verse Trump for general. Bernie vs Trump has a higher likelihood of turning into a runaway for either depending on the debates and background information that would come out. Everyone has shit they hide, Hilary and Trump have been vetted Bernie has not and the general election will find that and potentially crush him.
Woody Invincible
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This is very true. Rubio will help feed Trump Florida.
Again, people ususally don't vote for their best interests. He will still get minority votes because of the asshole, not a care in the world, unfiltered, celebrity factor.
My sample is small, and in Mississippi, but nearly every white and black here are voting for trump in the general. Not to sound like a dick, but most of our hispanics are either illegal or afraid of interacting with government things like voting.
But Obama lost to both McCain and Romney here, so take that for what it's worth.
There are two things that need to happen for Trump to beat Clinton:
- If young people don't come out in droves to vote for Hillary, like they did for Obama. The youth vote is why Obama won in 2008, and the youth vote is why John Kerry lost in 2004. The youth vote was turning states that Obama would've lost or barely won. Clinton has publicly admitted that she needs to do a better job attracting the youth vote.
- If many minorities decide to stay home and not vote. I highly doubt this will happen, but there is always a possibility.
- If young people don't come out in droves to vote for Hillary, like they did for Obama. The youth vote is why Obama won in 2008, and the youth vote is why John Kerry lost in 2004. The youth vote was turning states that Obama would've lost or barely won. Clinton has publicly admitted that she needs to do a better job attracting the youth vote.
- If many minorities decide to stay home and not vote. I highly doubt this will happen, but there is always a possibility.
QuicheFontaine
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I think he does.
But then again I put money on Britain leaving the EU, what the hell do I know?
But then again I put money on Britain leaving the EU, what the hell do I know?
Cybrwzrd
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Great minds must think alike, we both posted the same map.
As a Democrat I hate Trump. But I also can't stand Hillary. I dislike her as much as I disliked Bush. Family dynasties are not what this country needs. Frankly, other than the hate aspect Trump is running on, I don't think he is any worse or better than her. At least one of them isn't backed by Wall Street. I think you will see many Sanders supporters sit out if he isn't on the ticket somehow.
Here is an important indicator on why the Dems will have a hard time winning a general.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/us-right-direction-wrong-track
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/us-right-direction-wrong-track
Of course. They'll circle the wagons around him once it's him vs. Clinton.
I really would like to see this math you're talking about.
You know he has 10 of the 14 Super Tuesday states in the bag, with 2 - 3 more that can come his way? He's amassing a delegate advantage while his competition keeps getting nothing or scraps.
How quickly people forget.
Also, there is no sure thing in a 1-on-1 general election.
All Trump needs is a bad Clinton meme, a stock market slip or terror attack, and a rainy Election Day and our nation could swing fifteen points and give it to him.
Angelus Errare
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If you're white and well off maybe.
DragonSworne
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Trump will easily move to the center come general election time.
His anti-Iraq war stance and anti-trade agreement is going to play really well to the general public.
Trump knows Hillary too, so it'll be easier for him to pull his word voodoo on her. Hillary is no Obama, so I can see her getting stumped.
His anti-Iraq war stance and anti-trade agreement is going to play really well to the general public.
Trump knows Hillary too, so it'll be easier for him to pull his word voodoo on her. Hillary is no Obama, so I can see her getting stumped.
Woody Invincible
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Yeah, after super Tuesday, he will start steamrolling. Who would have thought? I would have guessed that even Ron Paul would have gotten the nomination before Trump. Welcome to America.
other then the hate aspect? That's his entire platform not to mention the one tax plan he mentioned is exactly opposite of anything a democrat would put forward
rob305
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You'd be surprised how many like him. I live in Miami and speak to Cubans every day. Another thing I've heard from a lot of Latinos is that they dont want a woman as a president under any circumstances. Take that however you want
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