Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)
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Well, he's basically fucked. I actually thought he'd get drubbed worse than he did tonight but he didn't really come close to doing what he would need to in order to have any real chance at staying in the race with Clinton.
SaviourMK2
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This press coverage needs some fruit salad
Prodigal Son
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The actual factual poll numbers don't agree with this. You can't just shrug off every majority white state victory as irrelevant. He over-performed the polls there. There were very many people who expected Sanders to leave tonight with 1 (max 2) states.
It's funny people are trying to forget that reality.
Bel Marduk
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No he's in great health
I doubt he'll be picked though
Clinton will pick someone boring and non-threatening
Debbie Wasserman Schultz?
Operations
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Any clips of Karl Rove in full meltdown mode?
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Berine got a win in Colorado.
Time to look at my predictions...
Held out a little too much hope for Colorado, but I pretty consistently underestimated Hillary's margins in the states she dominated. The final margins are yet to be seen, but it looks like she just flat-out outperforms expectations in these states. Look forward to the final delegate estimate.
Held out a little too much hope for Colorado, but I pretty consistently underestimated Hillary's margins in the states she dominated. The final margins are yet to be seen, but it looks like she just flat-out outperforms expectations in these states. Look forward to the final delegate estimate.
Chie Satonaka
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I should probably check out The West Wing. It's something I've been meaning to do for awhile now.
It would mean Hillary's team could shift to the general and start defining the GOP options early, which would make the general a hell of a lot easier.
What about the reality that he's down 200 delegates and Hillary's win in Georgia alone is enough to cancel out all of his gains from tonight. He'd have been better off losing everything by 5 points than what happened tonight.
slightconfuse
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Thanks for the response. I don't think it would work ether.
Yes. Hillary could put all her focus on Trump.
Party could have more time to unite against Trumpeters.
Dems are getting there. GOP didn't fuck everything up overnight, it took them 40 long years.
Got to organize and vote! vote vote vote!
eyeball_kid
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I doubt she would pick Sanders unless he picks up enough states to make it difficult for her, as at some point she wants to pivot to the general and not have to worry about campaigning against Sanders.
I don't know what the Sanders endgame is, what he's looking for. I'm sure he wants a speech night at the Democratic convention, but he might drop out early if there was a backroom deal for Clinton to push on a couple issues.
Cory Booker
hipsterpants
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...was Rubio's team actually expecting to win more than one state?
SaviourMK2
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Has anyone else noticed Cruz's plan is simply not to win the states, but to simply get 2nd place and just dismiss Trump as a threat to conservativsm
Yup, a very strong possibility especially since he's from Texas.
I don't think Corey Booker will want the VP spot but he needs to position himself into the spotlight with Hilary so he can be groomed for a Presidential run come 2020 or 2024.
Poodlestrike
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Definitely get on that. It's like House of Cards, but optimistic, and also good.
gutter_trash
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I hate Minnesota,
they ruined my fun tonight
fuck Rubio
they ruined my fun tonight
fuck Rubio
Same plan as Rubio.
And Kasich's plan is even more laughable.
I dunno, texas and OK ruined my fun so much more. Imagine how Cruz would react to losing those. The rage.
They hyped people up before the closing of polls by saying there were 4 states in play for them, or 4 solid states or something along those lines
The Albatross
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I don't think Sanders should drop out, but when Hillary is pushed to the left ("better places") by a candidate who will almost surely lose, that makes her more vulnerable in the general election when her campaign has to push back to the center.
Beyond that, though, it's considered politically ... impolite in a primary to split your campaign donations. If Sanders relented and ended his campaign, then a strong portion of the donations that his campaign would be getting between now and July would go to the CLinton campaign, giving her a more effective national campaign.
Likewise with volunteers. A solid portion of Bernie's volunteers would volunteer for Clinton.
That said I'm not encouraging Bernie to drop out in any way, but that's part of the mentality.
NullPointer
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Gross.
WooHooAlex
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Bernie wins Minnesota!
Pyroclastic
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lol poligaf was saying that colorado was a lock for hillary because of no same day registration. I guess bernie bros and gals in that state are more savvy than the hillary fans thought 
plagiarize
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Beating the polls isn't a useful metric for anything other than judging how accurate the polls were. It says *nothing* about whether you got closer to the nomination or not.
minor effort
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I don't think it'll be Cory Booker. NJ is a reliably blue state, but with a Republican governor. If they pluck him from the Senate, Christie gets to replace him with a GOP senator. I like Cory Booker, but that might not work.
boiled goose
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I think it would just give more free media to the GOP.
Seems like it will be Hillary 7 vs Bernie 4....
Not bad.... GAF was predicting a Hillary sweep and Hillary domination. The race is still alive IMO.
Bernie winning NH, Colorado, MN is a good look for the general. Hillary winning the South is meh. Not gonna help in the general.
Poodlestrike
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Nah. He's building up to a 2020/24 run, and the Senate is a much better place to do that than the Vice Presidency.
Hillary can focus on the GOP and stop spending money in the Primary
Bernie can put the full force of his organization behind Dems and downticket races that will be up for grabs if Cruz/Trump make it. Remember, turning the Senate means up to 4 liberal SCOTUS picks.
Party can rally around a singular message and won't be duplicating effort for each candidate
Prodigal Son
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lol
No one was arguing that he has a chance now. Relax.
I was just expressing the fact that Massachusetts wasn't a guaranteed state for Sanders.
EDIT:
A)This state's victory is a guarantee for Sanders.
B) No it wasn't.
A) Yeah but he has no chance!
Come on HillGAF.
Amazing show, especially the first four seasons. Aaron Sorkin left the show as main showrunner and writer afterwards but despite what people say it's still a great show after his departure though probably less optimistic. HoC is basically a Shakespearean drama placed within the backdrop/setting of Washington politics. The West Wing is a realistic show about politics and the White House. And, all seven seasons are on Netflix.
I just find it weird for mainstream media to react that way towards the socialist "fuck the rich" guy.
Don't make me do something unreasonable, FRIEND.
Not all media is good media. Hillary's team would be able to spend it defining the GOP clusterfuck, damaging the potential nominee even more.
No. Just no. Don't do this.
vicissitudes
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Yup. Hillary winning Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, and Texas are pretty useless for the general. Those states are solid blue and would have gone Democratic anyway.
Wait, what?
superdeluxe
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What a cabinet position?
Chie Satonaka
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Now that, I didn't know.
Man, my Netflix sub just keeps being awesome. I really need to use it more.
I'll start watching it tonight.
Already Torn
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I mean, she was running against other Democrats today. Not Republicans. This is the primary.
Normally I'd be all for that (the longer he stays in closer to the election the longer he pushes Hillary to the left etc), but at this point Trump absolutely 100% cannot be be allowed to win the presidency at any cost, and it's not as unfeasible as some would suggest that it would happen. I don't feel super strongly about it but given the choice I'd want Bernie to drop out now only so the party and messaging could all line up behind Hillary so she could already be hitting the ground running versus Trump. Basically I would take reducing Trump's chances of winning by even 1% over Bernie pushing Hillary much further to the left overall. Trump winning would be the most disastrous thing possible, it has to be stopped at literally any cost.
This is not how it works. Delegates.
What reality? She won by well over 100 delegates tonight, will win by more than that over the next two weeks, and has an over 400 superdelegate lead over Bernie. So what if he overperformed in a couple of states? Hillary overperformed (and dominated) in more than that, and has a ton of delegates to show for it.
Tomorrow's headlines aren't going to read 'America feels the Bern!', they're going to read 'Bernie made a decent showing but Hillary walked away with a huge delegate lead'. There won't be any momentum, and there aren't any more states on the map that will lean far enough toward Bernie to make a difference.
I have something to tell you.
The Albatross
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While Kasich seemingly doesn't have a "plan" let's remember that Kasich was polling in nearly dead last place three months ago, on the verge of being demoted to the kids table debate, and yet has somehow outlasted Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Carlie Fiorina, Ben Carson (likely), and the other 5 primary candidates he was competing with.
Kasich will not win, but he's garnered name recognition when just 6 months ago, nobody knew who he was nationally where as other candidates with far more name recognition (Bush, Christie, Perry, Scott Walker, Santorum, Huckabee, Bobby Jindal) were out far sooner.
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