excelsiorlef
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Clinton actively campaigned and Sanders is getting plenty of coverage. He didn't really campaign down there.
Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)
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Clinton actively campaigned and Sanders is getting plenty of coverage. He didn't really campaign down there.
Macho Madness
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Sanders strategy appears to mirror a general election strategy where you campaign in states you think you have a shot of winning and ignore those you have no chance in.
The problem with that is the electoral college is winner take all, primaries are not. For every state he outspends and out campaigns her 3-1 in the small states, he only comes out with a few more delegates than her. Meanwhile she completely destroys him in the south, getting tons of delegates he didn't even try to contest.
The problem with that is the electoral college is winner take all, primaries are not. For every state he outspends and out campaigns her 3-1 in the small states, he only comes out with a few more delegates than her. Meanwhile she completely destroys him in the south, getting tons of delegates he didn't even try to contest.
DirtyManos
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As has been stated by others here before, his campaign managers are perennial losers. Really mismanaged campaign that squandered the momentum and goodwill of Bernie and his message.
All that money and doesn't use it where it could do the most good.
Michael F. Assbender
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Well that explains Trump's appeal...
excelsiorlef
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Yep. It's funny but his message is the only reason he's still around.
His actual campaign has been frankly horrendous
Yes he spent money but by all accounts he never was there in person
Black Republican
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Rubio with the amazing PR and Minnesota wins
whos stopping him, huh?
whos stopping him, huh?
I'd say Bernie since Rubot actually has a party that may be willing to ignore the voters and nominate him in a brokered convention.
Unknown Soldier
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Well Bernie proposing some pretty steep tax increases on the poor and middle class is a horrible backfire in every way. I realize the country NEEDS more taxes, but the fact that neither Bernie nor Hillary have simply proposed eliminating the Bush tax cuts that Obama permanently enshrined into tax law seems like a gross oversight compared to what Bernie actually proposed which is almost hilariously awful.
Wafflecakes
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Do we have any recent polls in Maine for the caucus.
I fully expect Bernie to win because of the demographics, but it will be interesting if it is close.
I fully expect Bernie to win because of the demographics, but it will be interesting if it is close.
Rubio on the republican side would be lucky to ever get as much delegates as Bernie by June. Rubio may only get an extra 100-200 delegates by June.I saw something yesterday that by June Rubio would peak at like half of the delegates cruz ends up with by then.
metalslimer
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Even of Bernie did win California and New York with a decent (20) point margin superdelegates aren't switching to him. To be honest he needs to start e running the table and Michigan is about to be another huge setback
None of that really has anything to do with why he's failed up until this point, though. The tax stuff didn't even show up until recently. Well, it did, but ti didn't make headlines. He failed because he did a bad job of communicating what he wanted and why it would help people. Now, had that (totally unbiased) Vox article come out at the beginning of his campaign, you might have a point.
Not sure why what he proposes is awful, though. It'd be good for the country. Especially the poor.
RPGCrazied
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Trump is doing awful in puerto rico, didn't even make 20%. lol
Sectorseven
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I don't think Trump spent any money in Puerto Rico, plus he closed up his hotel there which probably pissed them off.
Had they not employed this strategy the race would already be over.
My guess is they know as well as we do how this is going to play out and are acting to prolong the inevitable.
Last???
No, he got second.
RPGCrazied
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Last I checked Rubio got like 70% of the vote.
Spider from Mars
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oh my damn
Christie likes being Trump's Salacious Crumb
Good Job Bob
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Previous Puerto Rico results:
2012: Romney 84.89
2008: McCain 90.38
2000: Bush 94.21
1996: Dole 97.99
1992: Bush 98.81
1988: Bush 97.56
Rubio to be the nominee confirmed!
2012: Romney 84.89
2008: McCain 90.38
2000: Bush 94.21
1996: Dole 97.99
1992: Bush 98.81
1988: Bush 97.56
Rubio to be the nominee confirmed!
On the other hand, Cruz and Trump each have twice his delegates.
RPGCrazied
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Yeah, he is done, even if he wins Florida. But his game is not to win, just to hold out into the convention and let fuckery ensue.
Bedameister
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So I learned something new today: Puerto Rico belonges to the USA.
I just learned today that Rubio won't qualify for nomination in a brokered convention unless he wins a majority of the delegates in eight states. Majority, not plurality. This will be his first majority, and I'm not sure if it even counts since it's a territory. Trump has 5 and Cruz has 3.
Angelus Errare
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Fine, dig up some dirt on something she did in preschool!
Unknown Soldier
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In a vacuum where everyone has the money to bear the increased tax burden sure. That's what made his tax plan shortsighted, he just assumed everyone had the money laying around and there are many people who don't.
But I do agree that Bernie has in general not communicated in any way, shape, or form what makes him different from Hillary. Part of it is that he's probably afraid that if he hits her too hard on things that it will hurt her in the general where he still wants to make sure a Democrat wins and not a Republican. This is one warped political system when your own candidacy is subsumed to a pathological desire to make sure at least the lesser evil gains power over the greater one, instead of trying to win it for yourself.
I respect Trump for being all about wanting to win it for himself. Bernie's entire mentality is instead based around making sure his side doesn't lose, he doesn't even want to win it for himself.
I mean, can you really blame him, when the alternative is Trump? Bernie actually cares about the people in this country. Trump only cares about himself. So it's only natural that he'd devote all of his time to winning winning winning. Trump losing the nom wouldn't affect him any more than losing the general.
I don't respect Trump at all for that. He's an egomaniac. He just wants attention, and he'll do whatever it takes.
It's also pretty absurd to claim Bernie doesn't want to win it for himself. He obviously does, or he wouldn't be in it.
I mean they are U.S citizens(since 1917), just not a state.
brainchild
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There are lots of US territories that belong to the USA
Wiki said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States
Maine I believe. It's presumed Bernie will win that.
Finale Fireworker
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I live in Maine and local news is reporting Bernie has 14 delegates and Hillary has 6 so far. 80% of the votes reported.
Maine loves Bernie.
Maine loves Bernie.
superdeluxe
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Saw that Clinton had a 67-24 lead for absentee voters which is a large portion of the voter groups in Michigan. Tuesday will Be interesting and then we head to Super Tuesday 2.0 on the 15th
Has there been a thread with the "Voters for Trump" skit yet? One of the few times SNL made me laugh out loud.
Looks pretty safe that Bernie will meet or exceed his target over at 538 (15 - 10 is what they've got). That will put him a couple of delegates up between the primaries yesterday and today. That said, those couple delegates will be blown out of the water in a couple days.
It's more a case of the golf course/golf club that bears his name went bankrupt, they owe the PR government about 50 million in loans they are not going to pay, and trump said that he has nothing to do with it, he just licensed his name to the golf place.
plz don't sue, Donald, I think this is what happened, right?
That's a bit of a stretch...
def in the spin room
As someone from California I don't think it is realistic at all to bank on Bernie winning the state. If he wins it will be at best a 2-5 percent difference which is a wash. It is far more likely Clinton wins by 8-15 percent here. SoCal is heavily tilted to Clinton's demographics and the East Bay is tinted to her as well. I still do not think that California will matter. The gains in the South for Hillary are too much to overcome. Looking at the numbers Hillary is about to win Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Florida. North Carolina will go for her and New York is a lock. I just cannot see Bernie getting anything aside from small delegate states and Washington in the future. I really believe that not contesting the south doomed the election from the start.
That delegate lead is shrinking - good work this weekend
Except Sanders is more delagates behind tonight then the start of the weekend.
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