Byakuya769
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WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HER!?!
Honestly, how is she such an awful campaigner? Why are you even responding to this? Holy shit.
Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event
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Honestly, how is she such an awful campaigner? Why are you even responding to this? Holy shit.
I objected to your statement protest and counter-protests were some neatly seperated affair where every party gets to say their piece. That's simply false. Especially Pegida rallies have been routinely disrupted, drowned out or been cut short by counter-protesters in their very vicinity. And having attended many of those, I can tell you the police isn't there to preserve anyone's free speech. They're there to get involved when the blocs or skinheads inevitably start shit with rocks.
Where you got the impression that I said german people don't protest, I have no idea. And if my political attitude that involves protesting and voting against fascist scum helps demagogues like Trump, I'm honestly at a loss.
theignoramus
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Trump says the rally in Cincinnati is still on for today. Cinci is like half black isnt it? Shits gunna pop off.
Zeus Molecules
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I disagree if anything this is getting liberals just as riled up. He probably expected a some protest but not this. His only chance in the general was if democrats fell back and didn't vote against him out of hate.
And someone last night got on me for saying he really wanted to say nigger. Well there you go, he used the most common word code word to replace it, thug.
In October last year, Hillary held an event at a historically black college that BLM filtered into and chanted over her remarks. She did not withdraw from the event, and continued her speech instead. Perhaps the number of attendees and protesters are not comparable to this Trump rally/protest, but by no means were people complaining about how she was unable to exercise her right to free speech. I might be remembering wrong, but the response to Hillary being protested was "good!".
Each candidate generally provides his or her own additional security for these events. Secret Service (in US this refers to the security detail provided to presidents and presidential candidates) often assist with security, so there's that too. (Candidates have to be assigned a detail for the duration of the campaign, I guess depending on how high the level of threat is. Hillary has Secret Service no matter what because she got lifetime protection from being First Lady.) If the location is insecure, it's the fault of Trump's campaign.
You said it yourself: there's more than one location to hold speeches. Considerations for security usually involve selection of an ideal location, and Trump picked a place on a college campus in a major city, which is filled with young liberals. He could have chosen other venues more inconvenient for protesters to amass together and travel to, but he didn't. If he is going to be on that campus, a place where those students have chosen to attend and identify with, then he should have been prepared for protests and dissent. His voice is not being drowned out; after all, he was on the airwaves making a fuss afterwards. Why is it the obligation of the protesters to choose a different location?
Saint Gregory
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Hilary has been doing more the last few days to make me lose confidence in supporting her than Bernie has in months of criticizing her. He should just stand back and let her talk at this point.
Permanently A
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I honestly think this is significant evidence that Hillary would lose to Trump in the general.
Principate
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Hilary has always had some highly questionable view points, there's a reason why she flips around so much and changes her mind. Without outside pressure she'd probably stick with them, but it's part of the package that she's so malleable.
The only real question is whether she'll stay so malleable once she's president.
Is she making this a black vs. white thing?
DrForester
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I think people who see a Trump nomination as an easy Democratic walk to the White House are deluding themselves. Make no mistake, i don't want a Trump presidency, I just think people are underestimating him.
Well, she would still win simply by virtue of Trump being the alternative, but she's certainly not doing herself any favors with that kind of a response.
You say that like this isn't exactly what he wanted to happen. He is again dominating the news cycle and can rally his supporters for Tuesday saying liberals are scared of what he has to say and are trying to stop his revelation.
I'm usually pretty sympathetic to the idea that a commitment to free speech has implications for what private actors should do - there's this weird libertarian strain of thought among even US liberals that the only the government can inappropriately suppress speech, when usually they're pretty good about recognizing that organized private power can deny people what they deserve.
But this seems pretty right:
Trump has in no way had his ability to get his message out compromised. Probably more people are aware of the rally and of the sort of thing Trump would say at the rally because of the protest. He has hardly been shut out of the conversation. It's not like there were a significant number of people who were going to show up at the Donald Trump rally to see what this guy had to say because they'd never heard anything about him before, and now will never know. I mean, maybe some people were hoping he'd talk about his penis some more but that's not the really important sort of speech we should be too worried about missing out on.
It's also worth emphasizing that this was very avoidable. Like, Trump's rallies usually check people at the door and don't just admit everyone who shows up, ticket or no. And it seems that the police didn't actually advise Trump that there was a security threat and thought the rally was fine to continue. And the violence didn't break out until after Trump had arranged for a bunch of his supporters and a bunch of protesters to all be in the same room, at which point he blamed the protesters being a threat for shutting down the rally.
But this seems pretty right:
Trump has in no way had his ability to get his message out compromised. Probably more people are aware of the rally and of the sort of thing Trump would say at the rally because of the protest. He has hardly been shut out of the conversation. It's not like there were a significant number of people who were going to show up at the Donald Trump rally to see what this guy had to say because they'd never heard anything about him before, and now will never know. I mean, maybe some people were hoping he'd talk about his penis some more but that's not the really important sort of speech we should be too worried about missing out on.
It's also worth emphasizing that this was very avoidable. Like, Trump's rallies usually check people at the door and don't just admit everyone who shows up, ticket or no. And it seems that the police didn't actually advise Trump that there was a security threat and thought the rally was fine to continue. And the violence didn't break out until after Trump had arranged for a bunch of his supporters and a bunch of protesters to all be in the same room, at which point he blamed the protesters being a threat for shutting down the rally.
I think so too.
Principate
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I more interested in knowing what her last example has the fuck to do with anything. What purpose does it serve why is she even mentioning a mass shooting.
psynergylover
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*vomits*
How did she completely miss the point of this protest
Hell even the republicans had a better response
Baron von Loathsome
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"Cruz, how dare you try to blame Donald Trump for what happened in Chicago tonight. Trump's first amendment rights were crushed along with the freedom to assemble of thousands of people going to the speech."
The cognitive dissonance here is impressive.
Oops she misspoke again.
That is my fear. Many people were saying there was no chance he'd become the Republican nominee and now look at where we are. It's crazy.
The current national sentiment is basically "These negroes need to calm down" as if people don't have legitimate reasons to be wilding the fuck out at Donald Trump. She's as irrationally afraid of minorities as everybody else.
Count Dookkake
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Protest bros, please don't forgive this.
ElBoxyBrown
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You thought you could just walk into Chicago and expect all smiles and greets? LMAO
We know what corruption looks like. And "devisive rhetoric?" We shouldn't express our anger? Fuck that. We watched too many people get assaulted at these gatherings.
We know what corruption looks like. And "devisive rhetoric?" We shouldn't express our anger? Fuck that. We watched too many people get assaulted at these gatherings.
At this point it's clear that he's deliberately orchestrating this "show", but I have no idea what his endgame is other than someone getting killed.
It's absolutely terrifying that this piece of garbage could be President.
Nah, she probably got hacked.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Hilary. One of your biggest potential opponents for the White House is inciting racism and violence at his campaign rallies and is grossly misinterpreting the 1st amendment in response to people protesting against his actions. This is the worst time to tone police, especially when not even other Republican candidates want to mince words over what's going on here.
And bringing up Charleston when you know damn well that people had to go kicking and screaming just to take that stupid flag down is completely unacceptable.
Voysa Reezun
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Can you imagine if this board were around in the late '50s/early '60s?
"Well, I am sympathetic to the protesters, but I don't think that it's right that they filled up all the seats on the lunch counter. It is unfair to people who just wanted to eat on their lunch breaks. What about their need to eat and get back to work? All this did was piss off the people who don't need trouble when they are just trying to get some food at lunchtime."
"Well, I am sympathetic to the protesters, but I don't think that it's right that they filled up all the seats on the lunch counter. It is unfair to people who just wanted to eat on their lunch breaks. What about their need to eat and get back to work? All this did was piss off the people who don't need trouble when they are just trying to get some food at lunchtime."
Shake Appeal
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Here's Sanders's statement after the Missouri rally (not even the Chicago one), for contrast:
DietRob
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Shit. I should have been paying more attention to where this assclown was coming next. I'm going to try to drop everything and join a protest here.
Also, it is sad that staunch defenders of the constitution do not understand what freedom of speech actually is.
nvm.. he canceled his Cincinnati appearance.
Sho_Nuff82
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ITT we have someone who's never been in a protest telling people who've been in them how they should be run.
Mentioned this quote before, may as well post the whole thing now:
This obviously applies to things far wider reaching than race. If you acknowledge that injustice exists, you have a moral imperative to either help end it, or get out of the way. The "aww shucks fellas, couldn't you turn down your loudspeakers?" brigade never gets anything done.
Women's Suffrage? Protests
Abolition? Protests
Desegregation? Protests
Voting Rights Act? Protests
Abortion rights? Protests
Gay Marriage rights? Protests
Ending the Vietnam War? Protests
Ending police violence in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s? Protests (A work in progress)
Even Occupy Wall Street, which failed, prompted a brutal crackdown by the NYPD and infiltration by the FBI. And it could be argued that they allowed themselves to be silenced and ignored by being so accommodating.
If Donald Trump's response to criticism is suing newspapers and beating up protesters, he is not fit to be president of the United States.
Mentioned this quote before, may as well post the whole thing now:
Martin Luther King said:
This obviously applies to things far wider reaching than race. If you acknowledge that injustice exists, you have a moral imperative to either help end it, or get out of the way. The "aww shucks fellas, couldn't you turn down your loudspeakers?" brigade never gets anything done.
Women's Suffrage? Protests
Abolition? Protests
Desegregation? Protests
Voting Rights Act? Protests
Abortion rights? Protests
Gay Marriage rights? Protests
Ending the Vietnam War? Protests
Ending police violence in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s? Protests (A work in progress)
Even Occupy Wall Street, which failed, prompted a brutal crackdown by the NYPD and infiltration by the FBI. And it could be argued that they allowed themselves to be silenced and ignored by being so accommodating.
If Donald Trump's response to criticism is suing newspapers and beating up protesters, he is not fit to be president of the United States.
Saint Gregory
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The biggest worry should be in purple states where Republican administrations are in a position to suppress democratic votes. That would make any Republican candidate a threat in November. I'm not of the opinion that Trump's campaign is any specific threat though, all he's doing is making people who were racist in private proud to be so in public. It would take a lot to convince me that somehow racists are going to be more energized to vote in November than they were in 2008 and 2012 when there was actually a liberal black candidate for them to hate.
They know exactly what it is. Their supporters don't.
Ether_Snake
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All this will just do even more damage to the Republican party when they kick him out and he runs third party.
GOP is completely screwed.
GOP is completely screwed.
Man what the fuck.
theignoramus
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The irony of Trump and his supporters telling protesters to "GET A JOB" or taunting that "the FREEBIES ARE ABOUT TO END"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html?_r=0NYTimes said:
Remember people, this is more electable!
Byakuya769
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I don't know where to start with it. But yeah, that allusion seems to make it so, despite this being a very mixed protest.
Principate
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Those people were naive I called that since he started leading in the polls. The tactics he was employing were obvious and were clearly very successful and effective early on. He's a businessman who's been very successful within entertainment, he knows how to run a circus especially of the nature republicans have been running. That circus naturally have limits however.
His only chance at winning is dependent on how awful a candidate Hilary Clinton is, and she'd need to be legendarily bad.
His response is basically the same as Hillary's, and yet people are pissed at her response. The only difference is that he mentions Trump by name.
nature boy
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If this sort of behavior from Trump continues, he will be destroyed in the general election.
I honestly thought he would tone down his comments after what happened.
Gordon Shumway
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And the Trump thread becomes a Clinton thread once again..
This guy continues to say a lot of right things. Trumps words has ramifications.
astroturfing
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are you sure they take part in the education system..?
balladofwindfishes
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Can someone explain the Hillary thing. I've read it a few times and I can't figure out what's wrong with it?
On top of that Sanders' quote which... appears to be saying the same thing, but isn't disgusting or whatever?
On top of that Sanders' quote which... appears to be saying the same thing, but isn't disgusting or whatever?
Principate
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No it's not, for one he isn't implicitly implying everyone is equally at fault,
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