DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Not sure if that shows how weak he is more than it shows how divided the GOP is.
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Not sure if that shows how weak he is more than it shows how divided the GOP is.
Calamari41
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Yeah, seriously. Some posters need to realize that the echo chamber in here isn't representative of how the average person views stuff like this. They look at the events of last night and get scared. They see the secret service needing to rush the stage and surround Trump today and, rather than laughing and high fiving, they get scared.
TumblingHippo
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If message boards existed back in the 40s and late 30s I'm pretty much assuming they'd look exactly the same :c
"Naw it's impossible for him to win! No way that the people would elect such a guy."
"Naw it's impossible for him to win! No way that the people would elect such a guy."
Gordon Shumway
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He saw Eve..was pointing her towards the apples..
I think this is pretty different. The big reason that people did not expect Trump to be the favorite for the nomination right now is that they thought the party establishment could exert a lot more control over the process, and in 2012 we saw them pretty effectively eventually force their guy to the top even though some weird insurgents did very well in the polls at one point or another - Newt Gingrich even won South Carolina. The party is a bit weaker this time around, but I think what a lot of people missed early on is that now there's room for two insurgents simultaneously. Cruz is attracting conservative activist types while Trump attracts disaffected racists. It's been very hard for establishment candidates to get momentum, but without Cruz in the race this might have gone very differently. And even now there are two establishment candidates in the race who are stealing votes from each other.
The reason people don't think Trump can win the general election is just that they don't think that there are enough racists. Just as with the fractured primary, this goes out the window if, say, Sanders mounts a third party run after losing the nomination. But the thinking is that some otherwise reliable Republican voters would not vote for Trump and that women and minorities will be especially enthusiastic about stopping Trump. Actual swing voters are less important nowadays but they too probably aren't huge on Trump - these are people who probably voted for Obama.
These are pretty different kinds of theories, and I don't really see that "Trump did the unexpected once" makes it that much more likely that he'll do it again.
theignoramus
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To be fair, Bernie has kept it classy and focused on Hillary's record in politics. Bill's sex scandals from the 90s (and Hillary's atttacks on Bills accusers) havnt been tapped into by the Sanders campaign.
gamerMan
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I really hope we see more of this from celebrities of every color. This is the United States, we should be united in stopping this racist.
Glorified G
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Is this based off the fact that he's getting more votes and a bigger turnout than the past two Republican nominees or is it the fact that he will be facing the first Democrat nominee ever that has an over 50% disapproval rating with the general public?
This.
……forgetit
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Look at that, I'm following John Legend now.
What did he mean by this?
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WWMLKD?
Mushroomer25
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Yeah, for all of the hype, Trump is really only winning over about 30% of the GOP electorate - and hasn't really enhanced that lead since. The thing pushing him forward is the presence of multiple other candidates, splitting the 'not-Trump' vote.
Macho Madness
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I know they don't matter that much right now but
Yeesh.
This is the data Bloomberg was getting that made him decide not to run.
Yeesh.
This is the data Bloomberg was getting that made him decide not to run.
valkillmore
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Vote for Bernie
holy shit I just noticed that, look at it. thats exactly what it looks like
Obama and Kerry? I'm sorry but what the Republicans did to them does not even compare to what they've been doing to Hillary for 25 years.
This cannot be overstated: They have been attacking Hillary Clinton for 25 years.
The dirt has been dug. There's not much "deeper" there. Sure, there may be something, never say never, but they've been flinging everything they have at her for far too long for me to believe that they have some dues ex machina that they've been keeping secret for all this time
The Lamonster
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lol @ the last couple pages.
No way in hell Trump wins a general election. The city of Chicago just prevented him from even speaking there. C'mon son. The resistance is just going to get worse for him going forward now. A candidate as divisive as this has no chance.
No way in hell Trump wins a general election. The city of Chicago just prevented him from even speaking there. C'mon son. The resistance is just going to get worse for him going forward now. A candidate as divisive as this has no chance.
Then I have a hard time believing you have the same concept of "free speech" as we do in the US. Hate speech is allowed and Trump has used it to build an entire campaign platform. The First Amendment comes at an ironic price: people can say whatever they want, but if we don't call out xenophobic bullshit when it happens, we run the risk of allowing those targeting of losing their right to free speech.
Fuck Trump and protest the shit out of him.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I understand the cautions but I think you are right because nothing drives people to the poles like pure unadulterated HATRED does. Ultimately more people hate trump than support him.
A protester was able to grab his leg, and then taken out. Here is a video of him being arrested...
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=10431
Trump was ready to bolt out of there.
while watching this rally I couldn't get past the reflection off his sweat that makes it look like he is wearing a hitler stache
I know people want to deny it, but its still counting on unverified variables to stop Trump from winning the General election. I see plenty of women at his rallies, people have been saying the same thing for years about women supporting Republicans but they still get the votes. same with minorities, especially if you live in Florida you know many, many latino voters lean Republican. They have been interviewing many cubans and latinos in the news here because of Rubio and the stance Trump has taken and they are still voting Trump. Liberals are underestimating just as bad as the Republicans have. Hubris and all that.
Maintenance
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Even his Hitler stache is white.
theignoramus
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Uh huh.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Well then, I'd have to ask where all these easily scared people were back when a presidential candidate was advocating mob violence at his rallies.
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Saint Gregory
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I think you have that backwards, there need to be unverified variables to elect Trump.
This is a country that has a black man with an Islamic name as president. Trump has no platform other than hate, do you expect that all the people who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 are going to vanish and people who share Trump's views were sitting on their hands in those elections?
Yes they were attacking before she was even a Presidential Candidate in the GE. You're working off the assumption that because they've already dug the dirt they're suddenly content to stop trying. They will find something or they will make up something. That's what they do and have done. They don't care if they've already been digging up dirt, they'll re-dig it again. Spackle on some new paint if they have to, but they'll do it.
If you really think Benghazi and emails are all the Republicans would use in a fight they saw coming years ago then you're telling me the Republicans sat around not preparing at all to do anything this election, which I just can't see ever being a possibility. They may not have prepared for Drumpf but as we've been pointing out no one saw that coming. But everyone saw Hillary coming. There's no way this is the extent of the GOP's attempt to demonize Hillary or at least prepared something better than what we've been getting regarding her.
Byakuya769
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Has there been any look at if there's a significant cross-section between Bernie only blue collar men and blue collar men who supported Hillary over Obama and then voted Republican in the general?
I just really doubt these guys were really in the coalition to begin with.
I just really doubt these guys were really in the coalition to begin with.
Gordon Shumway
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Of course..that's the "exciting" part Trump talks about. Poor assholes..
But I WANT to hit protesters.
I haven't' seen any polling data, but I've strongly suspected that's been the dynamic going on here due to her now being associated so heavily w/ Obama.
They matter- both are public figures for 25+ years. People already have their opinions.
exmachina64
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Man stuff like this makes me think we're some alternative reality on that show sliders that when the sliders arrive on our earth and are like "why is the reality fucked" they learn trump became president and did something tragic his first year in office and their reaction is "who the fuck would elect Donald Trump as President?"
And they never learn that it's their own Earth and they've just been gone for two or three years.
Calamari41
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You probably wouldn't get a chance to ask them that as they're figuring out who to vote for.
So you don't believe in democrazy then? I'm a Bernie-supporter, but I hate people dismissing the people that vote for different political parties than yourself. If it's legal to do what Trump does and it is legal to vote for him, then accept that. The government/law allows for it.
Trump won't win anyway.
Buttonbasher
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I know the guy that stormed the stage at the Trump rally. He's the same guy that protested another cause by standing on a flag, and later burning it on Wright State University's campus.
Interesting dude. I guess he texted his friends, in the event he was killed at this rally. I hear he's refusing bail.
Interesting dude. I guess he texted his friends, in the event he was killed at this rally. I hear he's refusing bail.
That's because normally money dries up for all the other candidates who have no chance and they drop out. But instead the GOP started this #neverrump movement which is spending millions to prop up the other candidates. It also happens to be driving Trump further into crazy land (and out of GE contention)
Portia Boulger is on twitter. Someone said something to the effect you better have a good lawyer and she said my Husband is a lawyer -- Damn good one at that.
Anyway, the woman is identified.
Where'd you go OneFiftyOne? Those leftist tactics getting you down? Looks like Trump supporters are racists... but most of us knew that already.
We don't have to accept anything. Thinking Trump supporters are racist assholes is perfectly fine.
What does thinking they're racist assholes take from them or what does it prevent them from doing?
Was does being an asshole have to do with being denied democracy?
Maintenance
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He did an OneEighty and left.
theignoramus
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Gotta think Trump doing his usually "dont we love our cops?!" routine in Cleveland will elicit a strong reaction from any protesters who are there.
The federal gov says the Cleveland police department is poorly trained and systematically uses excessive force. Oh, and Tamir Rice.
The federal gov says the Cleveland police department is poorly trained and systematically uses excessive force. Oh, and Tamir Rice.
You are assuming everyone who voted for Obama will come out and vote for Hillary. Even those that voted for him that may not have voted before, those energized and excited for change. I feel you are seeing quite a bit of those voters voting for Sanders now but you cannot just assume they will vote for Hillary. People don't want to say it out loud but all those "fedora wearing men" meme's people like to thrown around on the boards, lets just say feminism and racial issues aren't shared equally by all people. You also have people voting just for the sake of shaking up the system, let the world burn types. If Trump can flip a couple states, like Florida (which is entirely possible) then I don't see how anyone can be adamant about Trump not having a chance. Again, liberals being just as blinded by hubris as the Republicans they have been making fun of.
DrForester
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Ugh. That poor woman is now going to go through hell the next few weeks.
I agree with you, but you're demonstrating my earlier point. Of course the GOP is going to fling shit at Hillary, but because they've been flinging shit nonstop at Hillary for the last 25 years, most of it will be reruns. I highly, highly doubt they have anything on her that hasn't already been introduced to the public. Hillary, has been vetted by the Republican attack machine more than any democrat in modern history.
Bernie has not been vetted by this machine. They haven't even tried to attack Bernie at this point. And, as we learned in the last debate, there's PLENTY of ammo out there. That they haven't tried to go after him should speak volumes on how badly they want him to get the nod.
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