Calamari41
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No, I'm not blind to anything. I'm just wondering if a Cruz presidency is better than a Clinton presidency via Trump nomination.
Hey, I'm not a Trumpie, don't worry. I just think people should be able to talk.
Hundreds of Protesters and Supporters Clash Outside Trump Utah Rally
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No, I'm not blind to anything. I'm just wondering if a Cruz presidency is better than a Clinton presidency via Trump nomination.
Hey, I'm not a Trumpie, don't worry. I just think people should be able to talk.
Not equivalent. In that case people weren't stuck there for the duration of the protest with traffic backed up to the next exit with no one being able to turn around. This is the highway.
You're confusing organized protests with all protests. Many protests throughout history have been disruptive at a minimum (Ex: the Boston Tea party).
We need better civic classes
I could understand if you were concerned with a potential loss of human life if there were ambulances or expectant mothers on the way to the hospital stuck in traffic.
But to be concerned with their freedom of speech - come on bro.
Coffee Dog
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People are directly comparing his stance on the protest to other racist positions people have taken throughout history.
Why are you acting like that isn't saying he's being racist? Why don't you just own it and say, yeah, you're being racist?
I would. He's being racist, or at the very least extremely racially ignorant. We are reasonable people and can make that accusation. Don't pussyfoot around it and say "lol wtf you talking bout bro", it's intellectually dishonest and disingenuous.
Angelus Errare
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This post illustrates why paying attention in your social studies middle school classes is valuable.
DontBeThatGuy
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Wait, you actually think if Trump gets the nomination snatched from him in Cleveland, and Cruz gets it, that Cruz would have a chance in hell against Hilary? You think those pissed Trump supporters are gonna turn around and vote Cruz? Also, put Cruz on the mainstage for a General, and watch whatever elect-ability he might have drop like a rock, along with attack ads and everything else. Independents would run the other way.
He's the one causing the chaos, yet he's seen as an illusion of order to a ton of people.
I don't really care for the election but it's just amazing to see how politicians can manipulate the public so easily like this.
Calamari41
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Right, I don't think any of it is likely. It's a thought exercise.
EatinOlives
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Nice false equivalency there. Protesting Trump's hate speech is now literally the same as Trump's hate speech.
I never said you were a Trump supporter. You're being completely disingenuous and speaking from a place of privilege if you think disruptive protests are wrong. Disruptive protests are the ONLY way to get anyone to listen to them. Inserting dumb what-ifs involving emergency hospitals, "what about mah family!!" and whatever other disingenuous hypothetical to trash real protests that try to combat real issues shows how disconnected you are from this conversation. In which case I wonder why you're in the conversation in the first place.
EdibleKnife
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Think I found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu7g1kYKx7E
Not hearing any sound from it though, sadly
EDIT: Heard for a bit that they're in NYC right now but they might switch to footage from the Arizona protest too
EDIT: Switched to Arizona
It's the literal nature of a protest to get the message out; in this instance anti-violent hate groups being sponsored by trump (covering legal fees)
It's an error in logic because you have to understand what a protest is to form an opinion. Which you don't have. Wrong isn't binary. We're the stone wall protests then riots wrong? And therefore what weight does that wrong hold? Outside of speculative worst case scenarios of on the fence racists now turning Republican to support trump, or an ambulance exploding...
An open hate monger isn't going to be allowed to continue in a society with other tax payers.
This is what happens in situations like this. historically. Enjoy it. You're witnessing that practice continue to keep pressure on hate groups.
Angelus Errare
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And what about the people and business that occupy those roads? Or the apartments? What if someone lived on that road and their 108 grandmother was pregnant and needed to get to the hospital? D:
SlimySnake
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your post illustrates an upbringing that has resulted in a person incapable of saying something substantive without condescendingly insulting others.
Tesseract
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What's with that last sentence tho
Coffee Dog
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What's wrong with condescending towards those who hold opinions that actively harm minorities? Are they deserving of an equal platform?
Since when is it insulting to highlight how many people have no clue what the first amendment is, yet debate it?
Substance is found right in the post. And an explanation.
Don't just take your ball and go home because you didn't know what you thought you were angry about.
Angelus Errare
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I mean you were the one who bust in here like Batman to try and educate us lowlies on how the first amendment works without knowing how it works yourself. At that point, I have no obligation to play nice with you.
People love toting the amendments without even knowing them.
[Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.]
First amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Edit - You have made a powerful enemy, Violater.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Edit - You have made a powerful enemy, Violater.
The Daily Show had a good point about these protests a few days back. Trump is telling his supporters that they're being marginalized and the liberals are trying to silence them and the protesters come along and literally try to silence them. It plays right into his rhetoric. But then they were gonna vote for him anyway, so...
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yep, I think this is all part of the plan. He's got lifelong experience with being a few moves ahead of everyone else. He's the sort of guy who does ridiculous shit knowing he's already got a strategy to twist it in his favor. Probably a good dirty local politician, but this behavior as president is hilarious.
'When the opposing side is galvanized into action, only my side benefits'
Where does this logic even come from?
The more people protest, the more disenfranchised voices can be heard.
EdibleKnife
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No. The more people cede to blaming minorities for their problems and get drawn in by his simplistic talking points, the stronger he gets. There's a lot of dangerous people in power right now in places all over the world that wouldn't have their position if people managed to stand up against them early rather than sit on their hands until they slowly grasped the power that would keep them in office.
And his strength before the protests is explained how?
So many posters with this same line of reasoning. Yet, history proves every single one of you wrong.
Who would have thunk it would be this tough to take on hate in 2016. It's almost as if people have the luxury not to take it seriously.
Angelus Errare
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Calamari41
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Something that most can agree on. He knew exactly what he was doing in Chicago last week.
Big Baybee
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*in the primaries
SO play dead and he will go away?
It just seems like this is all about Trump and not the republican party itself, even the other republicans are like " Trump isn't like us at all!" and are trying to rally around a more presidential nominee, Ted Cruz. Very upstanding guy that Cruz, not like Trump.
Angelus Errare
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Ah the age ol "ignore it, and it'll go away mentality."
I'm going to start saying it to people who complain that all the "others" are taking their freedoms away from them.
The gays ruining marriage? Ignore it, it'll go away
Mexicans are takin the jobs? Ignore it, it'll go away
Blacks takin the welfare? Ignore it, it'll go away
Muslims gonna take away Christianity? Ignore it, it'll go away
The Left is ruining the country? Ignore, it'll go away
Women are taking away mens' rights? Ignore it, it'll go away
Women are killing children with abortions? Ignore it, it'll go away
Yes. Because some how... protesting will raise his numbers...
But he was rising before protests..
So..
Well... just stop misbehaving people.
I'm assuming Slayven writes the first 12 issues and the 5 issue Gaming-Side crossover event.
Jack The Nipper
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can you imagine the guys at the tow truck company, high fiving and shit
Jacksinthe
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Oh putting the flames to the feet of his supporters are fine. Stopping individual liberty to do it - isn't. That's my point.
People NEED to know he is campaigning on a platform of racism and xenophobia. They need to understand the gravity of that platform. But you can't stop people from listening. Its never been right. No matter how shitty you think that sounds - I think it's shitty he even gets an audience.
I was held to the flames by GAF for suggesting the KKK be rounded up and thrown under a jail. I was told they had a right to speak their malfeasance.
I don't believe they have a right to spread hatred. Nor Trump. Nor anyone who spews hatred. Unfortunately I'm not King of America so I can't make that happen and despite my personal feelings I have to concede to individual liberty.
I wish they were all thrown under a jail, personally. But stomping on someone else's rights, even if you KNOW they are in the wrong, is not right.
EdibleKnife
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Seriously. Protests like these weren't happening when political experts were baffling at Trump continuing and continuing to burst their expectations.Trump amassed a audience and power without the help of blocked traffic. Maybe the people saying that the protesters are helping him should ask how he even got to this point.
Anti Trump Protests
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Thanks! I was trying to find another stream to the NYC one
DontBeThatGuy
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"professional protesters". Republican twat on CNN, what are you talking about. Oh, god, now they get Jeffrey Lord on. WHY.
I'm not implying Chicago wasn't disruptive, I'm just saying it's no where near the same level of disruption. The people in the apartments can still walk around without being blocked. It was late enough that a lot of businesses wouldn't even be effected. Scale is important.
Let me put it this way, what message do you think it sends that people that are just going to work, or even might need to go to a hospital or a doctor's appointment, are stuck on the highway for hours because a bunch of people got together to stop a rally they have no part of?
Look, I can tell we're not going to agree on this. That's fine. But I don't think this is the best way to shut down a trump event. It's not good optics and it feeds(completely wrongfully, but being wrong never hurt Trump) into Trump's narrative that liberals are paying for a conspiracy to stop him. I think the New York protest is a much better example.
That is Jeffery lord the guy who says Democrats used the KKK as their military wing. Shittest of the shit bags
BinaryPork2737
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Now I can understand people not liking the way that these people are protesting. I don't agree with the sentiment that this is protesting the wrong way, but I can understand why people wouldn't agree with these methods.
But stating that protesting against the xenophobic drivel that comes out of Trump's mouth is exactly as bad the people that support that xenophobic drivel is wrong on so many levels. One side is endorsing and indulging in violence and bigotry. The other is not.
Also if you look at a map of the surrounding area, you would see that there are multiple alternative paths to reach any nearby hospital in the area, so you needn't worry about anyone dying in an ambulance due to this protest. There are no emergency medical services in the immediate vicinity of the area where these people are protesting.
DontBeThatGuy
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They had someone else on there before him. I don't understand why CNN is doing this.
RyougaSaotome
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Keep on rocking, protesters. Do what you gotta do.
Seth Enosh
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If the government (police) stands by and allows protestors to violate the law to prevent Trump's people from exercising their rights to free exercise of speech and association, that's arguably a first amendment violation.
It could be seen as viewpoint discrimination in enforcing the law (1st amendment as incorporated against the states by the 14th amendment's guarantees of equal protection and due process). Yes, the first amendment, literally read as originally enacted in the 1700s wouldn't apply to this situation but when people mention "the first amendment" they usually refer to its expanded interpretation by the courts over the last 200+ years, plus the values it represents.
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