Hundreds of Protesters and Supporters Clash Outside Trump Utah Rally

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1st: MLKJ's protests were about winning people over. They blocked highways and the like because that was the magnitude of the injustice against blacks back then. They needed to do that much to get the narrative focused on their plight, and the reaction from racists to it fueled his protests. With Trump, we already have the media constantly talking about his racist bigotry.

As for the bolded: Let me be clear, I hope that's what people are thinking, but I doubt it.

Was? shit is still going on.

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Semantics. These people cant get to their venue. Once they are in the venue the protesters continue interrupting Trump.

So by that logic i guess these guys werent being silenced??

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It doesn't matter how you silence them, stunts like chaining one's self to their car and shutting down highways isnt the same as cops assualting the public, but it serves the same purpose.

As liberals, we have fought for these rights. We cannot pick and choose.
So you think the government attacking citizens who are protesting for the right to be treated equally is the same as people preventing racists from speaking?
I guess that explains why you're going to bat for people like trump and his supporters.
Also not really surprised that you would post something so ignorant, seeing as how you didn't even know what freedom of speech was.
 
These idiots are worse than Trump.

*sent from my private jet while eating caviar with my silver spoon*

We tried that peaceful protest shit decades ago. The shit didn't work. If you won't let us in to the table, we're forcing our way through the door, through protest. Roads being shut down for one day doesn't make your whole year go bad.
 
This guy is selling it like a wrestling event

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AT THIS RALLY! SHARE THIS LINK WITH YOUR FRIENDS, YOU FAMILY!

Nice journalism
 
I'm still trying to understand this so called "anger" on the Republican side. I remember when Marco Rubio bowed out, Fox was saying it was just not his year. Something like his message and campaign is too positive and did not reflect the anger by the Republican voters, which Trump represents. I'm just trying to figure out where this anger is coming from and why. US unemployment is down, economy is good, less wars aboard, cheap oil... etc. What's causing such anger with a typical Republican voter when the typical daily stuff seems to be only improving currently ?
 
Semantics. These people cant get to their venue. Once they are in the venue the protesters continue interrupting Trump.

So by that logic i guess these guys werent being silenced??

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It doesn't matter how you silence them, stunts like chaining one's self to their car and shutting down highways isnt the same as cops assualting the public, but it serves the same purpose.

As liberals, we have fought for these rights. We cannot pick and choose.
Yeah, please dont compare Trump supporters to Black people fighting against segregation....like EVER.
 
Well, the Fox guy doing the livestream just read out a tweet saying that blocking the highway is terrorism.
 
SO play dead and he will go away?

Nah, he's not going away. Protesters should feel free to do what they're doing but they should just do so with the mindset that they're energizing his base. But like I said, they were gonna vote for him anyway, so protesters should do what they will.
 
Discussions like this always seem to me, to be a miscommunication between people regarding the tender balance between the importance/legitimacy of protests vs. "proper" protesting techniques vs. properly picking one's battles.
 
The people who keep saying the US was always divided are right. These protests are just exposing it.

Some people care about getting rolled over on things like livable minimum wages, abortion rights, gerrymandering, racially motivated voter ID laws, police brutality and culpability, racial/ religious/ sexual identity xenophobia, and as sees the status quo as a continuing threat that is only getting worse for them as income/racial inequality widens - that Trump's support and possible presidency despite the hateful, sometimes violent, but otherwise empty rhetoric from a bully with a lot of money as an alarming sign.

Other people care about traffic.

And apparently think this is just "the left protesting the right"... not considering the fact that there are republicans and centrists who have issue with an anti-establishment/ dangerously inexperienced/ riot inspiring ticket. The EIU, based in London, views the threat of Trump's possible presidency as one of the biggest risks to the global economy based on his stance on trade and active hostility towards Mexico and China but no! This is just the regressive left trampling on the right!
 
I'm still trying to understand this so called "anger" on the Republican side. I remember when Marco Rubio bowed out, Fox was saying it was just not his year. Something like his message and campaign is too positive and did not reflect the anger by the Republican voters, which Trump represents. I'm just trying to figure out where this anger is coming from and why. US unemployment is down, economy is good, less wars aboard, cheap oil... etc. What's causing such anger with a typical Republican voter when the typical daily stuff seems to be only improving currently ?

"Them damned coloreds are trying to catch up to us white folks, THIS ANGERS ME!"
Is basically it.
 
They're not trying to annoy people. They're trying to stop a bigot from becoming president.

Then vote against him. Do things to convince others to vote against him. Don't do things that annoy others and are less likely to support you. As some one who doesn't want trump or any republican to win I wish these guys wouldn't do things like this cause it makes people on the fence less wanting to listen to what we have to say.
 

Blocking public roadways is a dick move. Trump says a lot of stupid shit but at the end of the day he isnt winning shit. I say let his followers congregate and make it public on what their beliefs are. Im glad its being brought to light, but people dont need to shut down roads for this to be seen. It is already as clear as day. What is this accomplishing other than pissing people off or worse preventing emergency vehicles from actually using the road?
 
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Isn't that over one guy in office getting away with something?

I would seriously, seriously hate to be that guy. Could you imagine seeing that crowd on television and knowing they hate your guts?

I mean it's real as fuck when one person stops their plans for the day to get you. Let alone a crowd that massive. Ibbet he has sweaty palms.
 
Then vote against him. Do things to convince others to vote against him. Don't do things that annoy others and are less likely to support you. As some one who doesn't want trump or any republican to win I wish these guys wouldn't do things like this cause it makes people on the fence less wanting to listen to what we have to say.

I agree with this. Protest if you like, but the only protest that will actually count is getting off your ass and voting against him when the polls open.
 
Isn't that over one guy in office getting away with something?

I would seriously, seriously hate to be that guy. Could you imagine seeing that crowd on television and knowing they hate your guts?

I mean it's real as fuck when one person stops their plans for the day to get you. Let alone a crowd that massive. Ibbet he has sweaty palms.
Look at all those ambulances being obstructed. Will anyone think of the olds?


I agree with this. Protest if you like, but the only protest that will actually count is getting off your ass and voting against him when the polls open.
Why not both?
 
I'm still trying to understand this so called "anger" on the Republican side. I remember when Marco Rubio bowed out, Fox was saying it was just not his year. Something like his message and campaign is too positive and did not reflect the anger by the Republican voters, which Trump represents. I'm just trying to figure out where this anger is coming from and why. US unemployment is down, economy is good, less wars aboard, cheap oil... etc. What's causing such anger with a typical Republican voter when the typical daily stuff seems to be only improving currently ?

Working class is getting stuffed hard, especially in red States, people can't afford the aca. Florida flipped purple and got fucked hard for 8 yearss.
 
I'm still trying to understand this so called "anger" on the Republican side. I remember when Marco Rubio bowed out, Fox was saying it was just not his year. Something like his message and campaign is too positive and did not reflect the anger by the Republican voters, which Trump represents. I'm just trying to figure out where this anger is coming from and why. US unemployment is down, economy is good, less wars aboard, cheap oil... etc. What's causing such anger with a typical Republican voter when the typical daily stuff seems to be only improving currently ?

Black guy gave health insurance to poor people and the Republicans let him get away with it.
 
The people who keep saying the US was always divided are right. These protests are just exposing it.

Some people care about getting rolled over on things like livable minimum wages, abortion rights, gerrymandering, racially motivated voter ID laws, police brutality and culpability, racial and religious xenophobia, and as sees the status quo as a continuing threat that is only getting worse for them as income/racial inequality widens - that Trump's support and possible presidency despite the hateful, sometimes violent, but otherwise empty rhetoric from a bully with a lot of money as an alarming sign.

Other people care about traffic.
The transformative power of privilege in action.
 
Semantics. These people cant get to their venue. Once they are in the venue the protesters continue interrupting Trump.

So by that logic i guess these guys werent being silenced??

It doesn't matter how you silence them, stunts like chaining one's self to their car and shutting down highways isnt the same as cops assualting the public, but it serves the same purpose.

As liberals, we have fought for these rights. We cannot pick and choose.

Completely false equivalence. And you missed my point. Protesters have a right to yell back. That doesn't prevent Trump supporters from using their right to free speech.

You know you're on the wrong side of American history when:
White
Black
Asian
Hispanic
Middle Eastern
LGBT

Are all together protesting your shit.

True. Well, I suppose you could make the argument that it reinforces Trump supporters because that's the type of coalition that they're against.

I'm still trying to understand this so called "anger" on the Republican side. I remember when Marco Rubio bowed out, Fox was saying it was just not his year. Something like his message and campaign is too positive and did not reflect the anger by the Republican voters, which Trump represents. I'm just trying to figure out where this anger is coming from and why. US unemployment is down, economy is good, less wars aboard, cheap oil... etc. What's causing such anger with a typical Republican voter when the typical daily stuff seems to be only improving currently ?

Fareed Zakaria made a good point about it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...17f958-afdc-11e5-9ab0-884d1cc4b33e_story.html

For decades, people in rich countries have lived longer. But in a well-known paper, economists Angus Deaton and Anne Case found that over the past 15 years, one group — middle-age whites in the United States — constitutes an alarming trend. They are dying in increasing numbers. And things look much worse for those with just a high school diploma or less. There are concerns about the calculations, but even a leading critic of the paper has acknowledged that, however measured, “the change compared to other countries and groups is huge.”

The main causes of death are as striking as the fact itself: suicide, alcoholism, and overdoses of prescription and illegal drugs. “People seem to be killing themselves, slowly or quickly,” Deaton told me. These circumstances are usually caused by stress, depression and despair. The only comparable spike in deaths in an industrialized country took place among Russian males after the collapse of the Soviet Union, when rates of alcoholism skyrocketed.

The link has a lot more on the subject and it's pretty interesting. The trend is also a uniquely white problem:

But why don’t we see the trend among other American ethnic groups? While mortality rates for middle-age whites have stayed flat or risen, the rates for Hispanics and blacks have continued to decline significantly. These groups live in the same country and face greater economic pressures than whites. Why are they not in similar despair?
 
Oh, also, let's keep on pretending that helicopters don't exist for medical emergencies, or that there aren't alternate routes for ambulances to take, or any of the other solutions cities and towns already have in place in case there's a bottleneck on the highway. What do you think ambulances do when there's just tons of traffic? Hang out and hope for the best? Good lord.

You do realize a helicopter ambulance costs 50k vs 3k for a car. So you want people to pay that much more (that would more than bankrupt me) just so people can block traffic when they could easily protest in a way that does not, And yeah they can go alternate routes but sometimes in medical emergencies every minute counts and those alternate routes are going to take longer.
 
Blocking public roadways is a dick move. Trump says a lot of stupid shit but at the end of the day he isnt winning shit. I say let his followers congregate and make it public on what their beliefs are. Im glad its being brought to light, but people dont need to shut down roads for this to be seen. It is already as clear as day. What is this accomplishing other than pissing people off or worse preventing emergency vehicles from actually using the road?
Fuck that emergency bullshit.
People are not going to sit by and let a bigot spread hate speech. They're not going stay home and ignore this because it fucking affects their lives if this man becomes president.
 
No amount of protesting will stop Trump supporters for voting for him. Also, I can imagine the people protesting in the middle of the streets to do the same for the GE. Bright minds and all.
 
Then vote against him. Do things to convince others to vote against him. Don't do things that annoy others and are less likely to support you. As some one who doesn't want trump or any republican to win I wish these guys wouldn't do things like this cause it makes people on the fence less wanting to listen to what we have to say.

Blocking public roadways is a dick move. Trump says a lot of stupid shit but at the end of the day he isnt winning shit. I say let his followers congregate and make it public on what their beliefs are. Im glad its being brought to light, but people dont need to shut down roads for this to be seen. It is already as clear as day. What is this accomplishing other than pissing people off or worse preventing emergency vehicles from actually using the road?

I've said it multiple times this thread but if you listened to Trump's rhetoric about banning Muslims and building a wall to keep out the Mexican rapists and were still on the fence, there wasn't gonna be much to convince you. If blocking traffic for a day convinces you to vote for a man who's probably had the most comparisons to Hitler of anyone since the start of the millennium, you weren't for progress no matter what you said to convince yourself. The eyes of the whole world are on us right now and it's up to us to make it clear that there is a population in the United States that is not satisfied with just laughing Trump off as an anomaly. There is a population that doesn't have the luxury of waiting and seeing if he becomes president to make their dissatisfaction with the rise of a bigoted presidential hopeful known. We've had multiple examples throughout history and the world where men invested in breeding hatred and strife wouldn't have gotten into power if people actually spoke up. People are going to vote against Trump but they're also going to make it clear through words and actions that they don't want rhetoric like Trump's to define America.
 
Then vote against him. Do things to convince others to vote against him. Don't do things that annoy others and are less likely to support you. As some one who doesn't want trump or any republican to win I wish these guys wouldn't do things like this cause it makes people on the fence less wanting to listen to what we have to say.

So because its annoying and might sway some diet racists to do what they most likely would have done anyway we should just let a blow hard broadcasting to bigots just go on like normal.
 
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