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[Kevin Shields]

It took me 5 years to finally get past the Lakebed Temple because of the slow start but I finally beat the game with HD version, and I'm glad I did. The second half of the game is stellar and overall I was hooked, which Made me think... This game is a bloated mess, but it may just be a masterpiece nonetheless. Like the White Album, which is also a bloated mess, it has genius ideas around every turn. On White Album you have Bungalow Bill, Why Don't we do it on the Road, and plenty of other filler, but for every bad song there is a brilliant one that follows. Twilight Princess is similar. For every bad design decision, there is a brilliant one that follows. The dungeons in this game are so consistent and creative that I just couldn't wait to see what was next and the game kept on giving. Arbiter's, then Snow dungeon, then light rod, and then Spider-Man in the sky. Every time I was in a dungeon, I was never bored or wished I was doing something else. There is a lot of genius in this game but there is also a lot of junk.

The wolf tears section, the awful economy with millions of rupees, the easy combat difficulty (I played normal mode to start with), the segmented overworld that left way too much empty space and other pacing issues. All of these would break every other game, but this game has so much going for it that it comes out on top. The White Album has a lot of filler, but when I think back on it its one of my favorite albums and TP may turn into that for me. Tons of filler, but gosh it may be one of the best games I've played in a while.

Can a game have so many terrible parts and still be considered a masterpiece?

 

[sibarraz]

The white album is a masterpiece? for me is the most whatever album of the Beatles from the sgt peppers-let it be era

Like you said, had some great songs, but lots of the fillers kill the album from me

 

[HUELEN10]

Can a game have so many terrible parts and still be considered a masterpiece?

Sonic 06 comes to mind. While the game is a buggy mess, the music, aesthetics, locations, and whole Shadow Story are superb.

If the world chooses to become my enemy, I shall fight like I always have!

 

[GhostWriter24]

While it's not the most apt comparison, as I don't believe there was "filler" in the White Album, I think Twilight Princess stands as one of the great games of a failed generation of flagship Nintendo titles.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Can you provide context as to what the While Album is and why it's important?

 

[Neiteio]

Pretty much all of the dungeons are fantastic, IMO. But everything outside the dungeons is so... whatever, including the world design and the narrative reasons for doing everything.

Zelda games generally struggle with giving you a sense of motivation, outside of Majora's Mask where the looming moon created a sense of stakes. In TP, Ganondorf sits in a castle inside a prism of light while ugly townsfolk look on. *Yawns deeply*

But yeah, going straight from Arbiter Grounds (or whatever it was called) to Snowpeak Ruins to Temple of Time to City in the Sky was fantastic. Also thoroughly enjoyed the first three temples, especially Lakebed Temple with the amazing frog miniboss and Morpheel. The twilight dungeon was whatever, but by that point the game had earned the right to have a whatever final dungeon.

All that being said, I can't muster the will to replay the game on WiiU. Might ask for it as a gift at some point, but mainly because the box looks so pretty!

 

[secretanchitman]

It took me 5 years to finally get past the Lakebed Temple because of the slow start but I finally beat the game with HD version, and I'm glad I did. The second half of the game is stellar and overall I was hooked, which Made me think... This game is a bloated mess, but it may just be a masterpiece nonetheless. Like the White Album, which is also a bloated mess, it has genius ideas around every turn. On White Album you have Bungalow Bill, Why Don't we do it on the Road, and plenty of other filler, but for every bad song there is a brilliant one that follows. Twilight Princess is similar. For every bad design decision, there is a brilliant one that follows. The dungeons in this game are so consistent and creative that I just couldn't wait to see what was next and the game kept on giving. Arbiter's, then Snow dungeon, then light rod, and then Spider-Man in the sky. Every time I was in a dungeon, I was never bored or wished I was doing something else. There is a lot of genius in this game but there is also a lot of junk.

The wolf tears section, the awful economy with millions of rupees, the easy combat difficulty (I played normal mode to start with), the segmented overworld that left way too much empty space and other pacing issues. All of these would break every other game, but this game has so much going for it that it comes out on top. The White Album has a lot of filler, but when I think back on it its one of my favorite albums and TP may turn into that for me. Tons of filler, but gosh it may be one of the best games I've played in a while.

Can a game have so many terrible parts and still be considered a masterpiece?

It's a good game but it's definitely not a masterpiece. The extremely slow beginning and the filler knock the overall score for the game a few points down.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I think The White Album is pretty great, apart from maybe one or two tracks.

I'd consider TP to be more like the Mellon Colllie and the Infinite Sadness of Zelda games. Half of it is good, half of it sucks, overall it's really bloated.

 

[DrDomVonDoom]

I never played the original Twilight Princess, I dont know how I overlooked it, I think being a 16 year old fresh on the Xbox superb graphics and awesome online games I simply didn't play attention and Wind Waker made me scoff. I was dumb. I playing it for the first time, and its wonderful. Theres something charming about Midna and Wolf Link together, I actually like playing as the duo instead of Link proper. I am not done but I hope theres plenty of times you go beast mode.

 

[James Scott]

I enjoyed it quite a bit thanks to the HD version.
Always had something to spend rupees on resulting in me never filling my rupee wallet by the end of the game which is a big step up from other Zeldas.
I don't think it has many terrible parts or any. The most is that the wolf sections are kind of boring especially on repeat playthroughs since it just served to familiarize you with the lay out of the land.
I think it's better than most games out there, even games like wind Waker but it suffers a bit from having a lot of the content be mandatory instead of optional.
The game gets really good for me when you unlock teleporting which is initiated by the master sword/Midna's lament sequence which is a highlight

 

[CaptainGyro]

The white album is a masterpiece? for me is the most whatever album of the Beatles from the sgt peppers-let it be era

Like you said, had some great songs, but lots of the fillers kill the album from me

the opinion of the white album being a masterpiece isn't really a rare one

 

[shiftplusone]

it's the lou bega greatest hits of video games

 

[ShroudOfFate]

Sonic 06 comes to mind. While the game is a buggy mess, the music, aesthetics, locations, and whole Shadow Story are superb.

If the world chooses to become my enemy, I shall figh like I always have!

HUELEN10
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Spoiler

I like Sonic '06

 

[FriedConsole]

In that it has a lot of great stuff but is too long and stuffed with a lot of filler?

 

[Fisty]

Probably true, like the White Album, you could probably cut about half of TP out and it would be an undisputed masterpiece. Too bad they dont have B-Sides in gaming... that would be cool

 

[21XX]

Sonic 06 comes to mind. While the game is a buggy mess, the music, aesthetics, locations, and whole Shadow Story are superb.

If the world chooses to become my enemy, I shall figh like I always have!

I honestly can't tell if you're being serious.

 

[braves01]

That must make Agitha the Helter Skelter of Twilight Princess.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

^^^ DAMN YOU

Nothing in Twilight Princess is as good as Helter Skelter, sorry.

 

[Chase17]

Only stretches between dungeons that I thought were too long was Goton mines to Lakebed and Temple of time to city in the sky.

Mostly since I dislike the Lynaru tears of light and going around and moving owl statues.

 

[Trojita]

Sonic 06 comes to mind. While the game is a buggy mess, the music, aesthetics, locations, and whole Shadow Story are superb.

If the world chooses to become my enemy, I shall figh like I always have!

 

[ghostjoke]

What is the Revolution 9 of Twilight Princess?

 

[TheDinoman]

Sonic 06 comes to mind. While the game is a buggy mess, the music, aesthetics, locations, and whole Shadow Story are superb.

If the world chooses to become my enemy, I shall figh like I always have!

Do you really think putting Sonic and his cartoony gang of characters in a photorealistic world looked good?

 

[Strangelove77]

At least you can skip shit you don't like on the White album. The analogy doesn't work for videogames where you have to partake in mediocre/bad elements of the whole with no way around it.
It's "FF13 opens up and gets good after 80 hours thing" all over again. It's not worth putting up with to get to the good stuff.

And personally no one part, section or mechanic in Twilight Princess is as good or innovative as the best songs on the White album. I don't agree with the analogy. But that's just me.

 

[partyphone]

I honestly can't tell if you're being serious.

perception is reality. so in huelen's reality sonic 06 isn't a steaming pile of shit top to bottom.

as for the topic at hand I think TP is a solidly okay video game. I'd be way quicker to concede ALBW as gaming's White Album, whatever that actually means. at least we've moved past the citizen kane of games.

 

[Buttonbasher]

Maybe the Weezer White Album

 

[Ridley327]

What is the Revolution 9 of Twilight Princess?

The rail shooter minigame that you have to do multiple times for different reasons.

 

[Hayama Akito]

Twilight Princess is The Life of Pablo of videogames.

 

[Glix]

Then the opening village stuff is Revolution 9

 

[JimJamJones]

The real question is what is TP's Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da?

 

[Coffee Dog]

Twilight Princess is totally mediocre outside of the dungeons, and even those aren't as good as Ocarina's or Skyward Sword, neither of which have garbage on the level of Goron Mines.

 

[Sheriff_Battlesnake]

The white album is a masterpiece? for me is the most whatever album of the Beatles from the sgt peppers-let it be era

Like you said, had some great songs, but lots of the fillers kill the album from me

In my opinion that would be the Let It Be album. I rather like the White Album. It felts very... experimental.

 

[Sakura]

Oh, The Beatles...
I was thinking of this

 

[Persona7]

I don't know what that means but TP is my least favorite zelda game by far.

 

[Bass260]

The White Album is nothing like TP or vice versa. The White Album was experimental and a bit wacky for the time. Also a huge double album.

Twilight Princess is literally OOT again. The White Album was fresh. Not a 5 star and not their best, but certainly different directions.

There are no similarities between the two.

 

[Already Torn]

"It's been a haard daay's night, and I've been working like a wolf"

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

Nope.

That would be Chrono Trigger.

 

[Loomer]

But what is the Loveless of video games, Kev?

 

[Aaron D.]

I think The White Album is pretty great, apart from maybe one or two tracks.

I'd consider TP to be more like the Mellon Colllie and the Infinite Sadness of Zelda games. Half of it is good, half of it sucks, overall it's really bloated.

This is actually pretty apt.

Or you could switch out Mellon Collie with The Wall and the point still stands.

Spoiler

Animals for life. Come at me.

 

[SunBroDave]

Can a game have so many terrible parts and still be considered a masterpiece?

This describes nearly every 3D Zelda.

 

[Randomizer]

The second half of the game is some of the best in the entire series. Seriously Arbiter grounds, Snowfall Ruins, Temple of Time and City in the Sky is probably the best run of dungeons in the entire series. Each completely different from each other and filled with unique puzzles, setting and design. The last two mini dungeons, Twilight Palace and Hyrule Castle felt very rushed but even then had some interesting and fun ideas.

Also as a Beatles fan The White Album was always a filler album with some classics in there, it never really gelled with me tbqh. I suppose I feel the same with Let it Be and Abbey Road too they were moving into a heavier style at times which I wasn't really a fan of. My top three albums of theirs are Rubber Soul, Revolver & Sgt. Pepper's.

 

[Error]

Game has the best dungeons in the entire series, even those pre-dungeon quests couldn't bring it down. TP is so good.

 

[NinjamicWZ]

The white album is a masterpiece? for me is the most whatever album of the Beatles from the sgt peppers-let it be era

Like you said, had some great songs, but lots of the fillers kill the album from me

White Album is the only one I like, and even then it's only Disc 1, and disc 2 might as well not even exist for me.

On topic, though... all kinds of albums/games that go unappreciated and have to grow on you are pretty much interchangeable analogies for each other.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

But what is the Loveless of video games, Kev?

Rez.

 

[Ridley327]

This is actually pretty apt.

Or you could switch out Mellon Collie with The Wall and the point still stands.

Spoiler

Animals for life. Come at me.

I don't think that thinking that The Wall isn't so great was even controversial back in 1979.

 

[Randomizer]

But what is the Loveless of video games, Kev?

Crisis Core FF7

Spoiler

Bhahahaha

 

[Abdiel]

It's a Shitty Zelda game, and a pretty bad game in general. Utterly forgettable dungeons, horrible art direction, wolf form is tripe from beginning to end, Ganon showing up at the end feels so purely placed and steals all the force from the previous plot development. The dungeon items are largely terrible as well. I forced myself to finish it in hopes of redemption for the ending only to be further disappointed. Just awful.

 

[Mathaou]

So who will this inspire to start a race war?

 

[Rock And Roll]

Twilight Princess is The Life of Pablo of videogames.

I miss the old Zelda

 

[Afrodium]

Sonic 06 comes to mind. While the game is a buggy mess, the music, aesthetics, locations, and whole Shadow Story are superb.

If the world chooses to become my enemy, I shall figh like I always have!

The jig is up Huelen. You're clearly trolling now.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

Someone should just blow this up into a whole thread on its own.