Bet on it and Wonder Woman. They're having good buzz since day one.
Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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Guardians, IM3, and Avengers are hard to rank. Avengers is the most fun on first watch... all those characters together. IM3 may be the best as a Tony Stark movie rather than IM movie. Guardians is the most inoffensive.
But Iron Man 1 is certainly the best live action superhero movie, and Winter Soldier is definitely the 2nd best MCU film.
Let's agree to disagree.
QuantumZebra
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Iron Man 3 was by far my favorite Iron Man movie.
It doesn't come close to Winter Soldier or Guardians, but its good!
You misspelled Spider-Man 2
broncobuster
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On rewatches, I'd put IM3 over Guardians. Shane Black knows how to do humor that survives repetition.
brandonh83
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Okay.
Japanmanx3
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Even so, a 19% difference would still be terrible.
Pai Pai Master
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I spent that summer arguing about that, I don't wanna do that again.
I've heard this line of reasoning before and I don't agree with it. The comics handled Clark's development far better because even if he wasn't Superman in his prime yet, he still had the same values that were instilled on him by his surrogate parents on Earth. That's what makes Superman who he is. It's not just his extraordinary alien abilities, but the optimism and charm and sacrifice of the human part of him.
Man of Steel's Clark is all over the place. I like the oil rig sequence and I enjoy the sequence where he flies for the first time, but the character feels muddled and bereft of the qualities of comic book Superman. What's Clark's motivation? To understand his past? There's a muddled discussion of genetics in the movie and talk about Clark being a symbol of hope, but that never feels earned. Pa Kent's characterization is horrible and Lois Lane serves no purpose to the plot once Clark gets the suit, but she's roped along anyway because Clark has to romance someone.
The difference is that the climax of the Age of Ultron is spent trying to mitigate casualties when a huge mass of land comes barreling toward Sokovia, whereas Man of Steel is about Clark disabling a "World Engine" embedded within a ton of disaster porn that felt like overcorrecting after people complained that the Donner movies and Singer's Superman Returns didn't have enough scenes of Superman fighting bad guys.
Superman killing Zod and not be overly concerned with human life in the climax is the illusion of an arc because he honestly doesn't have one. Not one that's earned, anyway.
If you want an in-depth of Man of Steel's shortcomings, I think Film Crit Hulk's essay on it is solid.
This isn't to say Age of Ultron is flawless. Only that it works better than Man of Steel.
Yup. Guardians doesn't hold up all that in rewatches IMO
Messofanego
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Superman let Metropolis get destroyed. That's on him. That's what the trailers have been alluding to, that he let this happen.
I'm honestly not exaggerating here, ASM2 is the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. There's no possible way BvS can be as horrible.
Can it?
It's worth noting that Transformers 4 has an RT score of 18% (and an audience score of 51%) and made $1.1 billion WW regardless. BVS could absolutely still do very very well if it manages to really grab the international audience.
When was the last will Smith blockbuster?
That'd be hilarious. Hulk rips apart cars like sardine came and busts through walls just so he can yell "BOO!" I'd watch the shit out of that.
People forget though that's not even the first time Hulk has killed, it's just the first shown. In Incredible Hulk, Ross lists several Hulk casualties.
I kill my inner comic-fan.
Nah just kidding.
I kill my inner DC fan.
Nah just kidding.
I kill my hopes for the DC film universe.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I don't think the film will reach $1B like the Nolan films have, but I was wondering how much WB makes in merchandising revenues from the DC Universe, and not much it seems in the grand scheme of things according to Lincensingbiz.
Spiderman generates $1.3B in retail sales; Batman and Superman are at $494M and $277M respectively...
I thought they were bigger cash cows than that.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281
Spiderman generates $1.3B in retail sales; Batman and Superman are at $494M and $277M respectively...
I thought they were bigger cash cows than that.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281
You must be mental if you think the textbook Shane Black Christmas setting would work for Infinity War.
Good Job Bob
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I thought the latest Suicide Squad trailer was great, much better than any trailer from BvS, but David Ayer is hardly a director who engenders a great deal of trust.
Roland_Gunner
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The idea that you can judge the quality of a screenwriter based on their previous movies is pretty dubious. Orci and Kurtzman had only done TV shows before JJ Abrams hit big. Chris Terrio was supposed to be hot after Argo, but that was the first script he ever wrote solo. Too many name directors want to write their own films for there to be a deep pool of writers to draw from.
brandonh83
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Superman went to destroy the hivemind machine in order to shut down all the others, which took a lot out of him. It's not on him. He took that one down and prevented further destruction. The trailers are alluding to that because while we, the audience, know what went down (well, I'm starting to fucking wonder this) the populace in the film isn't the audience. Some of them see it as Superman's fault but they don't have the details, like we, the audience, and as we all know people love and need to have someone to blame.
I dont think we need to worry about this film not making money. It needs legs and good WOM to hit 1.5b so its probably not going to happen, but it should clear 1 billion on the brands alone.
It will make a ton of money, just about all the big tent superhero films this year will. The only variable is whether or not they will be good films lol.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Men in Black 3? People won't remember After Earth even existed in a few years.
Discotheque
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you may be right. shane black is by far the wittiest writer they've ever hired. was a damn godsend to reunite him with RDJ, even if it was just in a superhero capacity.
They should forego trying to explain it and instead break the fourth wall by running a clip of Goyer apologizing for Man of Steel.
The Nolan films were 2D and released years ago. That isn't the upper end for a DC film that connects with its audience. The Dark Knight was the fourth highest grossing film of all time worldwide for a bit. Age of Ultron's international take was pretty close to TDK's worldwide take.
blummer102
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Yeah, therein lies the danger of review aggregator sites like Metacritic and RT - most times people only notice the percentage. They don't bother to see how many reviews a movie has or check when a film came out, let alone think about what the general mindset was in the era when it was being evaluated.
Pretty sure BvS will even out slightly once it's got 200+ reviews in the pile, but damn was I hoping for better
NOLA_Gaffer
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Mineshaft_Gap
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This makes me sad for the fans of these franchises.
Last Hearth
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Really, you're arguing that previous written work is not a good way to judge the quality of a writer and project future works of the same writer?
There are nearly 50 reviews up. You aren't going to get a massively different final score. Best case scenario at this point is mid-high 40s.
George Oscar Bluth II
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This 100%.
When the humour doesn't carry the film, you look at the rest of it and realise the rest of it ain't that good.
My point is he'd be saving more lives in the long run by actually facing the main threat, has nothing to do with taking an L against the bad guy. Also weren't the civilian casualties incredibly(bizarrely even) low considering all of the damage done? As per this post in the Civil War Final trailer:
I saw Captain America save 40 people at most between both movies if I had to ballpark estimate.
Those police men didn't die: https://youtu.be/66im5Mi7x3A?t=52 and again most citizens in Ultron are often treated as being in the wrong place at the right time with not much if any implied casualties if ever.
thecouncil
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I'm honestly not exaggerating here, ASM2 is the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. There's no possible way BvS can be as horrible.
Can it?
The parallels between movie and sequel are the same.
But BvS is better than ASM2 even if they suffer from similar issues.
Roland_Gunner
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I've never been able to sit through a second viewing of IM3. The parts where he's bumming around North Carolina are too long and pointless. GotG moves from start to finish so its much easier to re-watch.
Mandarin twist literally ruined it altho they backpedaled on that with a short in the Thor 2 Blu-ray so it's no longer a complete waste. i enjoyed IM3 overall.
bananafactory
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We MCU thread now huh?
shira
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- Competent director
- 3 top notch actors
- R-rating
- Joker
That's pretty hard to fuck up. Jared Leto for sure is not doing shit movies.
The Mandarin twist was great. The end fight was average to above average for a third act Marvel fight. I wasn't a fan of the stuff with Tony and that kid. They cram that sort of thing into a ton of comic films, and they are almost always goofy or awkward. See Joffrey in Batman Begins.
I don't have a lot of faith in that one as well, tbh
DC is trying to launch their cinematic universe with this film. Comparisons with Marvel, who has successfully launched their cinematic universe, are inevitable.
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