Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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Yeah, didn't like that at all. It felt like the whole conflict could have been solved if Superman had spent a little more time trying to talk with Batman.

Bruce wasn't going to listen to a fucking word he said.

He prepped to beat dat ass, he was gonna do it no matter what
 
Bruce wasn't going to listen to a fucking word he said.

He prepped to beat dat ass, he was gonna do it no matter what
I think then they could have shown it more with Clark just defending himself until he's backed into a corner. Instead he throws Bruce across rooftops quite early on
 
I think then they could have shown it more with Clark just defending himself until he's backed into a corner. Instead he throws Bruce across rooftops quite early on

That's because instead of letting him talk, Bruce keeps throwing dumbass guns at him. Clark's stupid so he figures a nice building ride will make him calm down, but nah, enjoy my green gas super canceled into DOUBLE STOMP

Clark was arrogant too. He was trying to tell Bruce to calm down, but did it in such an asshole way (if I wanted it, you'd be dead already!) that it just made him madder
 
The movie is ok for me here. The early part drag quite a bit, the dream part is really too much damn it but the worst of all, they had tao okamoto and they killed her just like that? The hell?
 
That's because instead of letting him talk, Bruce keeps throwing dumbass guns at him. Clark's stupid so he figures a nice building ride will make him calm down, but nah, enjoy my green gas super canceled into DOUBLE STOMP

Clark was arrogant too. He was trying to tell Bruce to calm down, but did it in such an asshole way (if I wanted it, you'd be dead already!) that it just made him madder

So they really need some relationship counseling.

The movie is ok for me here. The early part drag quite a bit, the dream part is really too much damn it but the worst of all, they had tao okamoto and they killed her just like that? The hell?
Haha, that suprised me too. She was sort of prominent in the trailers and I imagined she'd be Lex's number two
 
'Here's what you get for starring in The Wolverine!' *BOOM*



She was never in the movie.

Heyy. At least she is not the biggest problem in the wolverine there.^^

So they really need some relationship counseling.


Haha, that suprised me too. She was sort of prominent in the trailers and I imagined she'd be Lex's number two

Yeah.TT her dead saddens me here especially when she seems to be smart and kinda helping lex a lot in his plan there and then boom. They just killed her like that? What??
 
Luthor was really missing that "moment of genius" for me. A moment where you see that he's more than just a strange weirdo with a short temper but instead someone who has a dangerous intellect. I suppose the whole bomb plan comes the closes to it.
 
Lol. As i had watched the movie here, i would sais i disagree completely with that statement here

I'm seeing the movie this weekend, but Lex creating doomsday seems like a very very dumb idea whereas Tony making Ultron seems more plausible in the movie universe.
 
I'm seeing the movie this weekend, but Lex creating doomsday seems like a very very dumb idea whereas Tony making Ultron seems more plausible in the movie universe.

Lex doesn't really make Doomsday (in like a hands-on Frankenstein way). The AI of the crashed ship of the Kryptonians makes it for him. He just orders the ship to do it. He takes Zod's body into the ship and then they transform him into Doomsday.
 
Lex doesn't really make Doomsday (in like a hands-on Frankenstein way). The AI of the crashed ship of the Kryptonians makes it for him. He just orders the ship to do it. He takes Zod's body into the ship and then they transform him into Doomsday.

why? i guess plot reasons. something tells me if i hate how Lex acts in the trailers the full movie wont sway that opinion.
 
I'm seeing the movie this weekend, but Lex creating doomsday seems like a very very dumb idea whereas Tony making Ultron seems more plausible in the movie universe.

Ohh. I am more talking about the action here. While doomsday being the fboss is kinda disappointing, but man the battle actually looks nice and intense while the final battle against ultron and his mini ultron is simply damn underwhelming.
 
Luthor was really missing that "moment of genius" for me. A moment where you see that he's more than just a strange weirdo with a short temper but instead someone who has a dangerous intellect. I suppose the whole bomb plan comes the closes to it.
For me that moment after Clark drops off Lois and flies up to Lex to see him just casually sitting down and his line "BOY DO WE HAVE PROBLEMS UP HERE", he just completely dominated Superman at that moment. He had total control. I loved it.
 
For me that moment after Clark drops off Lois and flies up to Lex to see him just casually sitting down and his line "BOY DO WE HAVE PROBLEMS UP HERE", he just completely dominated Superman at that moment. He had total control. I loved it.

I loved this scene as well. And then he brought out the messed up photos of his mom. Eisenberg was great here channeling some disgust and anger for Superman.I think this might have been his best scene in the film. I understand that this Lex is quite different from most iterations, but I kind of liked his portrayal.

I kind of hoped that Lex would lose his hair from something that happened within the Kryptonian ship (radiation or something), instead of it just being shaved off.

why? i guess plot reasons. something tells me if i hate how Lex acts in the trailers the full movie wont sway that opinion.

Why does he create Doomsday? Because his first plan, to have Batman kill Superman, failed. After he learns this he needed a new plan to kill him and then Doomsday is grown and released.
 
I didn't mind his head being shaved in prison but man we could have gotten an All-Star Superman prison scene if Supes wasn't dead.
Also Clark Kent the reporter really needed a scene or two with Lex before shit hits the fan. The library ball would have been a perfect time for Clark to ask Lex about both Bats and Supes only for him to troll the shit out of both of them.
 
I loved this scene as well. And then he brought out the messed up photos of his mom. Eisenberg was great here channeling some disgust and anger for Superman.I think this might have been his best scene in the film. I understand that this Lex is quite different from most iterations, but I kind of liked his portrayal.

I kind of hoped that Lex would lose his hair from something that happened within the Kryptonian ship (radiation or something), instead of it just being shaved off.



Why does he create Doomsday? Because his first plan, to have Batman kill Superman, failed. After he learns this he needed a new plan to kill him and then Doomsday is grown and released.

something tells me i wont like this movie at all
 
The acting? Really? Cavill was terrible in that scene.

That acting just throw me off the moment....

The fight was good, it was all going good, the best part of the movie for me (batman fightning)

and then, dat acting.. martha.... It amazed me that they let this while editing...

Like, they legit shot this scene probably a lot of times and THIS is what went through?!?!
 
Was talking with a friend about Lex after the film was done.

Granted, I don't know much about DCU, aside from the current tv shows and the previous batman, and superman films, and graphic novels here and there with them.

So Lex was talking about Darkseid at the end of the film; friend said that Lex could have been controlled by Darkseid, mentioned the party scene where he's a little...off.

I know fuck all about him, so I just figured that Lex only knows of Darkseid because he had access to the ships archives. Then gave him a call on t-mobile
 
I loved this scene as well. And then he brought out the messed up photos of his mom. Eisenberg was great here channeling some disgust and anger for Superman.I think this might have been his best scene in the film. I understand that this Lex is quite different from most iterations, but I kind of liked his portrayal.
It felt like he channeled The Joker somewhat. I kept getting hints of that in his voice and intonation.
 
I know fuck all about him, so I just figured that Lex only knows of Darkseid because he had access to the ships archives. Then gave him a call on t-mobile

This is what I thought as well. He probably learned a shitton about the universe and saw Apokalips and Darkseid and probably some other villains.
 
Did anybody manage to keep count of the number of people Batman murdered?

Confirmed onscreen deaths or "yeah there were probably people in there" deaths?

Dunno about the latter, but apparently only 2 for the former, only 1 of which was deliberate. Less murderous than Keaton I guess.
 
Did anybody manage to keep count of the number of people Batman murdered?

About as many as in the other Batman movies.

- He throws a grenade back to a bunch of thugs and one of the guys grabs it and it explodes.
- He shoots the tank of a flamethrower guy who threatens to kill Martha Kent. The tank explodes and that guy is toast. I think this was the only really direct kill by Batman. It's like the scene from The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel "I believe you".
- He knocks out countless thugs.
- He brands, stabs with knives, impales guys with his grapple gun, and breaks limbs.
- He does destroy a couple vehicles with people inside during the Batmobile and Batwing scenes. Not sure about their outcome. Probably dead.
 
I'm seeing the movie this weekend, but Lex creating doomsday seems like a very very dumb idea whereas Tony making Ultron seems more plausible in the movie universe.
In John Byrne's Superman, Lex actually cloned Bizarro. Doomsday was also always a clone so it the change doesn't really bother me.

Though Doomsday's comic origin is pretty brutal.
 
Confirmed onscreen deaths or "yeah there were probably people in there" deaths?

Dunno about the latter, but apparently only 2 for the former, only 1 of which was deliberate. Less murderous than Keaton I guess.

All the guys in those technicals he blew up with the batwing surely died.
 
I loved the "Martha" part. It's maybe my favorite part of the whole movie. It's horribly written, generally nonsensical but it hits both the characters in a really visceral way and a stroke of genius to link the two (has it been done in the books?). On paper it's awful, but the acting and Bruce and Clark's history with their parents sold it.
lol I hated that scene

I tought Batman would stop fighting with Super because of Doomsday or because he saw that he was a good person, but he stopping just because he heard his mother name looked so dumb for me
 
I expected the RottenTomatoes score to land in the 70's somewhere at the worst. But wow.

I still want to see this in theatres though.

Whoops. I posted in this the wrong BvS thread.
 
There's also a quick cameo appearance of the manbat. Didnt expect him at all
Haha, truuuu. Was a practical effect too as far as I can tell, pretty good jump scare lol.

Probably not the real Man Bat tho.
Maybe. Like I said, he's hanging around at or below the average kill count. The punisher comparisons are wholly unwarranted.
Exactly. His "kills" are no worse than any other Batman film, including the Bale trilogy. People making the worst of this have a selective memory.
 
They really had Doomsday kill Superman? In a scenario similar to the comics, which almost caused the death of DC in the eyes of many fans? And they play it totally straight? The irony and lack of self awareness are palpable.
 
They really had Doomsday kill Superman? In a scenario similar to the comics, which almost caused the death of DC in the eyes of many fans? And they play it totally straight? The irony and lack of self awareness are palpable.

Yah. Doomsday killed Superman


On a sidenote Batman's interaction with Wonder Woman at the end is incredibly awkward and artificial too. Instead of questioning her war photo, he tells her that they should find the rest...because he got a feeling something is going to happen.
 
They really had Doomsday kill Superman? In a scenario similar to the comics, which almost caused the death of DC in the eyes of many fans? And they play it totally straight? The irony and lack of self awareness are palpable.

"In the eyes of many fans?"

What does that even mean? DC was freaking huge when they killed Superman.
 
lol I hated that scene

I tought Batman would stop fighting with Super because of Doomsday or because he saw that he was a good person, but he stopping just because he heard his mother name looked so dumb for me

He stopped because he realized he had a family just like himself. It's Batmans demons, why wouldn't he stop?
 
Superman says "save martha", because that's the only thing he can say with bat's boot being on his throat.

Then Bat gets all confused and shit.

Then Superman repeats himself, cut scene to Wayne Mausoleum and you see Martha's headstone, cut scene to killing of Bruce's parents (so that the audience is reminded that HEY both mom's have the same name)

Then while Bats is asking Supes "WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY MARTHA?????", Lois comes in and says it's his mother. Then all the fighting from just a minute before is forgotten and Supes and Bats become friends who trust each other.

Reading this without having seen the movie, this scene actually kinda makes sense. For the first time, Bruce sees something that truly humanizes Superman.

Did Snyder really mess it up that bad?
 
Not really. It could work in the hands of someone other than Zack Snyder.

Why is it all on Snyder? There are others who had a [much heavier] hand in the screen play and likely a lot of executive input given what a bloated mess it came out to.

The direction isn't the greatest, but the problems go far deeper than that.
 
Reading this without having seen the movie, this scene actually kinda makes sense. For the first time, Bruce sees something that truly humanizes Superman.

Did Snyder really mess it up that bad?

I don't think he screwed up there. That scene and the whole Batman vs Superman fight is the highlight of the film for me. I dug it. Like you said, the Martha thing makes so much sense and it humanized him in the eyes of Batman too. It made him open his eyes and see things clearly.
 
Why is it all on Snyder? There are others who had a [much heavier] hand in the screen play and likely a lot of executive input given what a bloated mess it came out to.

The direction isn't the greatest, but the problems go far deeper than that.
Look at his track-record. Look at what excites him in interviews. Look at the fact that he went to fucking Frank Miller (like... modern-day Frank Miller) to get guidance on how to handle Batman.

I liked his Watchmen decently enough that I gave him the benefit of the doubt, even after Man of Steel. It's him. He's been surrounded by idiots and hacks, but at the end of the day, he's the guiding hand behind his projects.
 
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