Nolan crushed Miller's JL, and picked Snyder for Man of Steel. So yes.
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Nolan crushed Miller's JL, and picked Snyder for Man of Steel. So yes.
BronsonLee
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You either die a hero, blah blah blah
I don't think that is accurate. TASM2 underperforming gave Marvel an opportunity to jump in. If TASM2 made $1.4 billion, I do not think they would hand things over to Marvel.
The basis of their value calculations are Sony Spider movies on a downward trajectory (especially with the domestic box office, which is where they keep most of the revenue) and Marvel movies on an upward trajectory or steadily-high at worst.
George Oscar Bluth II
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With WB I have never have any clue what to expect, but I do know that I would really like this.
It probably can't happen because of contracts with Snyder, Terrio and others.
Frosty Droid
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Hollywood Reporter: It's a Game of Chicken as Jeff Bewkes Mulls Options
I don't know how reliable Wolff is, but he's speculated that the Big Six could become the Big Three (Disney, Fox-Warner, Universal) in a couple of years. Columbia is in poor health, Time Warner could be broken up and when Sumner Redstone dies Paramount may be strip-mined for its IPs or sold off to Chinese investors.
Edit: Sumner, not Summer, sorry.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making. My point is, if the proposition of a Marvel partnership did not exist, they would not have cancelled their plans because continuing with them would still be a more profitable option than cancelled everything and having nothing. Of course decisions are made based on value propositions, but unless there is a better one available, studios are not going to cancel long term plans just because they didn't make as much as they expected.
Best 100 million Mahvel ever spent!
So he was shilling for MAHVEL this entire time. He Zola'd the fuck off WB.
My god it all makes sense nowIf i can't have Batman
NO ONE CAN
exmachina64
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Flash goes back to Smallville when Clark is a baby, tells Jonathan Kent to change his parenting style so that a younger, optimistic Clark heads to the Daily Planet after college and becomes Superman eight to ten years earlier.
Batman and Superman become contemporaries, Wonder Woman reveals herself earlier, and the other metahumans do the same. Lex Luthor is completely retconned.
Bobby Roberts
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I feel the Sony/Spidey situation is a little harder to use as comparison because Sony's "plan" wasn't much more than "A Sinister Six movie... and some other stuff."
Even before the Marvel opportunity re-arose (they'd declined once before, right?) they were casting around for ideas and spinoff possibilities pretty wildly. It's not much like what Warners has with their DC properties. They have a timeline locked in (such as it is) to the point where they ended up having to publish what it was after a stockholder meeting.
Warners has:
Suicide Squad (finished)
Wonder Woman (shooting)
Aquaman (pre-production)
Flash (pre-production)
Batman
Justice League 1 & 2 (about to shoot)
Those are all fairly solid. Anything past that is vague, but there are directions.
Sony had:
Sinister Six (scripted)
Spidey 3
And then they were like, I think we can do Venom again. Maybe a Spider-Gwen movie? Maybe Trouble (holy fuck, they were trying to get Trouble made)? Maybe a Richard Parker spy spinoff? Sony was more or less aimlessly firing into the dark. There was no real direction there. Which made it a lot easier to go back to the table with Marvel, because they had that: there was a direction. They were basically, after ASM2 underperformed, trying to find a way to reboot without actually rebooting (again), buying time with a spinoff or two.
I guess the question is whether Warner Brothers would respond to 350/800 in much the same way, calling into question their previously laid plans.
Even before the Marvel opportunity re-arose (they'd declined once before, right?) they were casting around for ideas and spinoff possibilities pretty wildly. It's not much like what Warners has with their DC properties. They have a timeline locked in (such as it is) to the point where they ended up having to publish what it was after a stockholder meeting.
Warners has:
Suicide Squad (finished)
Wonder Woman (shooting)
Aquaman (pre-production)
Flash (pre-production)
Batman
Justice League 1 & 2 (about to shoot)
Those are all fairly solid. Anything past that is vague, but there are directions.
Sony had:
Sinister Six (scripted)
Spidey 3
And then they were like, I think we can do Venom again. Maybe a Spider-Gwen movie? Maybe Trouble (holy fuck, they were trying to get Trouble made)? Maybe a Richard Parker spy spinoff? Sony was more or less aimlessly firing into the dark. There was no real direction there. Which made it a lot easier to go back to the table with Marvel, because they had that: there was a direction. They were basically, after ASM2 underperformed, trying to find a way to reboot without actually rebooting (again), buying time with a spinoff or two.
I guess the question is whether Warner Brothers would respond to 350/800 in much the same way, calling into question their previously laid plans.
But those movies were really good. You need positive word of mouth to hit $1B.
I don't care how negative the word of mouth is, a movie with fucking Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman fighting should easily make a billion.
And I think it will, even with all this negativity. It just won't make $1.4 billion like it would have if people actually liked the film.
broncobuster
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Around the time I heard Sinister Six, Unspecified Female Spider-Man film likely about Black Cat with Felicity Jones, and Venom and Carnage films. Aunt May film was always some BS that caught on.
Animated Spidey feature is a smart move Sony kept with, but shockingly the Venom plans are still on?
The poor performance of TASM2 is still a proximate cause for the cancellation. It would not have been cancelled if it performed in accordance with their expectations. The poor performance allowed the Marvel offer to succeed. I think the decision to cancel is intricately connected with the poor performance of TASM2.
I think from the leaked e-mails, we know that there was already a standing offer from Marvel, so it was easy to go back to Marvel when they saw the poor performance of TASM2.
Bobby Roberts
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That's right there were Black Cat ideas as well. Forgot about those.
The Venom shit is... I don't know what to think about that. Part of the reason they even entered into the Marvel deal is because Arad obviously wasn't handling his shit like he used to, and they went so far as to remove him from the Spidey films so Feige could get in there. It'd be weird if Rothman decided before Civil War even opened to basically dirty up those waters by letting Arad piss in the pool some more.
But then again: Rothman!
I don't think you understand, the original point I was replying to was comparing TASM2's 700 million performance with (a misread) projection of 800 million for BvS. I was pointing out why the comparison has no real merit.
Father_Brain
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It seems pretty unlikely that it'll "easily" make a billion, at least.
Alright, let it be clear that it's the only superhero flick since Fantastic Four besides Deadpool. So that's not too much of an insult
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Blue aliens in a galaxy far far away grossed over $2.7B
Batman, Superman & Wonderwoman can't even muster $1B
Shameful
Batman, Superman & Wonderwoman can't even muster $1B
Shameful
The obvious solution to cracking 5b WW is a Cameron directed Justice League.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Bobby Roberts
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Man, could you imagine a James Cameron directed Superman?
Goddammit.
Goddammit.
Killer Queen
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Someone else can do JL. Let Miller continue Mad Max
Primethius
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Flash film > make it a Crisis event > relegate current universe to another one and set new status quo/universe post Flash movie.
I would fucking love the shit out of that.
Eh....from a commercial standpoint, I don't see a compelling reason to go with Miller, WB probably made very little if any money on Fury Road and he went way over budget and over schedule on the shoot. Plus, he is not that young and the stress of directing a massive blockbuster may be too much
Problem is, with JL so close to shooting, is there anyone else they can go with? Snyder & Co are heavily involved with the rest of the DC slate as well and it doesn't look like there is someone to step up to the plate, from what I have been reading, it was Snyder who came to WB/DC with this whole plan when no one else was willing to
Problem is, with JL so close to shooting, is there anyone else they can go with? Snyder & Co are heavily involved with the rest of the DC slate as well and it doesn't look like there is someone to step up to the plate, from what I have been reading, it was Snyder who came to WB/DC with this whole plan when no one else was willing to
Not sure if it would be much better than his aborted Spider-man tbh...
Just make this the horrible Flashpoint universe that the Flash undoes
Cameron probably relates much better to a "white savior god" than he does Peter Parker, though.
At $900M I believe WB stays with their plan (maybe some shuffling of release dates). It would be disappointing but not large enough for them to blow everything up. If both Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman deliver, then they have positive franchises moving forward.
They still have solo Batman films which they can get Ben to direct.
Ge the damn Shazam film going. Everyone loves them some Rock.
They still have solo Batman films which they can get Ben to direct.
Ge the damn Shazam film going. Everyone loves them some Rock.
How could they possibly count on that?
Because those 2 is already deep in production, they have no choice.
With Patty Jenkins directing WW, what could possibly go wrong? It'll be her 2nd feature film in 14 years.
Angry Chair
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Give this man a contract!
They could easily do a Days of Future Past style reboot of the series.
But it's too early for that.
Instead Snyder is going to make the Flash run back to avoid the super dystopian world seen in that knightmare sequence. I mean if you guys thought BvS looked dark and grim... I can't imagine what that alternate reality looks like.
But it's too early for that.
Instead Snyder is going to make the Flash run back to avoid the super dystopian world seen in that knightmare sequence. I mean if you guys thought BvS looked dark and grim... I can't imagine what that alternate reality looks like.
Both of those films are too far in to scrap. WB better hope they deliver because they have no other choice at this point.
EDIT: kurahador covered it.
Working for Disney.
And making critical and box office bombs.
Father_Brain
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Are they even going to keep Snyder on a shorter leash for Justice League? I ask that because that presumes basic competence on WB/DCE's part, when this is the company that gave creative oversight of the entire DCCU, with an incredibly aggressive release schedule to boot, to a filmmaker who had already proven that his vision for these characters was incredibly divisive.
I'm not sure they have any idea what they're doing, frankly:
I'm not sure they have any idea what they're doing, frankly:
manzoman96
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Interesting read. We'll have to see how that all plays out.
Incredibles 2, IIRC. Thank goodness.
Then where is my Incredibles 2 goddammit. He also passed on a Star Wars to not make more movies...?
OK, I forgive him.
It's coming.
Bobby Roberts
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They're doing what they've been doing for awhile now: Trusting in the artists.
Sometimes that trust is misplaced. Sometimes it pays amazing dividends.
But I definitely appreciate that they're a studio that gives their creatives the room to be creative in a way not a lot of studios will do.
It certainly appears to have bitten them in the ass quite severely in the past few years though. There's been victories to offset that, but of all the properties to miscalculate a pairing on, it seems Snyder + Superman/Batman might have been a hell of a miss.
But then again: considering 300 + Watchmen, it might not have seemed that much of a miss on paper, and that's before Nolan signed off on the guy.
Still though: They gave David Ayer a supervillain heist flick. They got Patty Jenkins to do Wonder Woman set in World War I. They're making interesting choices at the least, and it appears they're giving them the freedom to follow through. That's worth something.
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