The big question isn't whether they will keep him on a shorter leash. The big question is whether there is anyone at Warner really holding a leash. Stuff like budget and runtime are standard arguments between filmmakers and studios, but if we're talking about WB having a creative stake in the DC slate and trying to restrain Snyder... who's the one for the job?
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The big question isn't whether they will keep him on a shorter leash. The big question is whether there is anyone at Warner really holding a leash. Stuff like budget and runtime are standard arguments between filmmakers and studios, but if we're talking about WB having a creative stake in the DC slate and trying to restrain Snyder... who's the one for the job?
He'd be great for the story, but I doubt he could pull off a Smallville battle in MoS.
His action seems to be tailored more toward more gritty and grounded realism, which is great for stuff like T2 and Avatar, but for a Superman movie...
Meh.
Man, I do have to imagine that Cameron's Lex Luthor would probably be pretty bad. At least writing-wise.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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It's going to be interesting to see if BvS can get to 1B. I personally hope that it gets there, but if it doesn't then it'll be close.
I think there will be some consolidation, but I'm not sure I agree on his remaining big three. It could be a big 4 or a different big 3. I think Columbia/Sony Pictures can definitely be sold off for parts if it keeps struggling (and looking at the garbage they are putting out this year, I don't doubt. Next year looks a bit better though). Paramount is kind of in the same boat, but their year looks better than Columbia's. Finally, I don't think Bewkes or the board would want to sell to Fox. They already straight up didn't even entertain their offer in 2014. I think other, deeper pocketed, bigger companies are better suitors to purchase TWX. Apple was rumored to be interested in buying them, Amazon, Google, Verizon, ATT, Comcast, Disney are all potential buyers IMO. It would be interesting on how each company would approach it though, some of them would probably just want HBO streaming service and subscribers and sell everything else, while the latter would probably mainly want WB and CNN, and maybe production rights to HBO originals. I don't think anyone would keep the whole Time Warner intact like Bewkes wants.
Conversations are definitely happening behind the scenes though.
I think there will be some consolidation, but I'm not sure I agree on his remaining big three. It could be a big 4 or a different big 3. I think Columbia/Sony Pictures can definitely be sold off for parts if it keeps struggling (and looking at the garbage they are putting out this year, I don't doubt. Next year looks a bit better though). Paramount is kind of in the same boat, but their year looks better than Columbia's. Finally, I don't think Bewkes or the board would want to sell to Fox. They already straight up didn't even entertain their offer in 2014. I think other, deeper pocketed, bigger companies are better suitors to purchase TWX. Apple was rumored to be interested in buying them, Amazon, Google, Verizon, ATT, Comcast, Disney are all potential buyers IMO. It would be interesting on how each company would approach it though, some of them would probably just want HBO streaming service and subscribers and sell everything else, while the latter would probably mainly want WB and CNN, and maybe production rights to HBO originals. I don't think anyone would keep the whole Time Warner intact like Bewkes wants.
Conversations are definitely happening behind the scenes though.
I don't know if Cameron would make the story better. His "stories" in Titanic and Avatar were reaaaaallly mediocre IMO.
I feel for Cameron fans, waited 12 years for Avatar and now 10-ish years for Avatar 2. Titanic and Avatar may not be topped but the guy takes forever and is pretty boring and overrated IMO. His films are definitely a spectacle though.
I feel for Cameron fans, waited 12 years for Avatar and now 10-ish years for Avatar 2. Titanic and Avatar may not be topped but the guy takes forever and is pretty boring and overrated IMO. His films are definitely a spectacle though.
I thought you were American?
OriginalThinking
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Realistic? T2 has a liquid metal robot that can replicate nigh on everything it touches, is pretty much indestructible and has time traveled from the future!
Putting my serious hat on however, I do know what you mean. His action set pieces tend to be more grounded in realism. Although Avatar says hi...
SCULLIBUNDO
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His Avatar set pieces are just as grounded in reality. The reality they're grounded in just happened to be a psychedelic planet full of subjugated dragons and blue bulemic giants totally into beastiality.
Given tone of MoS and BvS Cameron's approach in general to action would be way more relevant than Snyders.
I fail to get why, if you look at Avatar as Cameron's most recent film, you figure he'd somehow produce worse results than Snyder for the Smallville battle (or even the climatic battle).
I see quite the opposite.
Cameron's back catalogue compared to Snyder's shows someone who has better talent in pretty much every aspect of film-making: the fact he's probably not in the least interested I'd take Cameron over Snyder for any film any day of the week.
Nobody else could make the movies he makes. Nobody has the chops to take on something like the Abyss or Titanic or even Avatar. He's a crazy mad technical genius. Directors like him a rare breed -- Meaning they don't exist.
Marvel or DC would cream their pants to let him direct anything. Overrated? No.
OriginalThinking
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Yeah but let's be honest, a man who wears his pants on the outside would be a step too far. (sorry, I forgot this is a US based site - for pants, read underwear)
JadedWriter
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What are the odds of getting Matthew Vaughn to do a DC movie?
Fox has him locked up pretty good. Plus he only wants to adapt crap by Mark Millar anyway.
exmachina64
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I wish.
Dash_Riprock
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Lot of people get Monday after Easter off don't they?
In the US? Never heard such a thing.
Although my kids started Spring Break this week. Not sure if it's SB for most of the schools?
Nah don't want that. I want the blue giants and dragons and shit on a San Pedro freeway or at 404 S Figueroa St. That's grounded.
JadedWriter
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Well that sucks. I guess Warner doesn't want to send a dump truck full of money to his house.
Corpsepyre
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Hey now, Millar has written some good stuff.
I have said/posted it before, I fully believe this film will do very well financially. It has Batman in the title and is heavily marketed, with neat action in the trailers. I do, however, have major doubts in the success of the overall DCU after this one, the lesser known heroes in particular.
5 miles North of the border.
BronsonLee
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AND STAY THERE *launches tomatoes*
Now I will always picture you as Puck from Alpha Flight.
Aquaman is destined to flounder.
I will never stop laughing that in this big, serious universe Aquaman's first appearance was the essence of wetness.
There's nothing you can do to stop me Bronson. I will come over there, take your jobs, eat your IHop, drink your watered down beer and plastic jug milk and you will never know the difference. Growing up on Detroit TV has drained me of all aboots and ehs.
Every American border crossing has a table with a pair of ice skates and a bowl of delicious poutine.
No true Canadian has ever been able to pass it without gorging themselves on one or the other.
Father_Brain
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No, I get the creative argument for what they're doing. It makes sense in theory, and lord knows we probably wouldn't have gotten Fury Road from another studio.
But given how vital the DC properties in particular are to the studio's future, given that they've already scheduled two films a year through 2020 that spin out of this one to varying degrees, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a corporate/shareholder perspective.
For instance, looking slightly further ahead - assuming they keep all their current release dates, the 2018 Flash and Aquaman films will already be in post-production by the time those characters get any substantial screen time... in Justice League, another Zack Snyder film. How does that make sense, particularly in light of BvS' reception?
That's what I'm wondering myself!
If this were a single franchise comprising a finite number of films, the relatively hands-off approach they seemingly took with Snyder would be a lot more defensible. But of course, the model they're trying to replicate here is the MCU, not the Nolan trilogy.
IHOP on the Canadian dollar?
He's allowed to make one bad movie.
Aquaman will have to swim upstream against a current of public opinion to avoid flopping.
I will of course look forward to the Mrs. Paul Aquaman branded fish sticks in my local grocers freezer section.
Father_Brain
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Really, part of me wonders if WB's response will just be to continue full steam ahead with the Snyderverse and pray to God that future films are more warmly received.
Given their recent history and how much money they've already sunk into the DCCU, I'm not sure they know how to do anything else.
Given their recent history and how much money they've already sunk into the DCCU, I'm not sure they know how to do anything else.
BronsonLee
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Oh so you think you can just assimilate into our elite society, huh?!
Now I'm thinking of kswiston trying to eat ice skates. I hope you're happy!
One small stack and THAT'S IT
Tomorrowland was so shit it killed TWO franchises!
Especially since the last movie had James Cameron and did great opening weekend numbers
KonradLaw
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Well..there isn't anything else to make. THey seem to have picked up good people for those movies. And looking BvS they obviously lack any sort of commitee that would be able to successfully strongarm directors into making the movies they want to. At this point it's better to trust those people instead of trying sime panicky moves.
Sticking to the course untill Justice League lanches seems like the only sensible choice. After that finishes filming they will have enough data to make any judgments. For now it's simply too early for any big changes
Its not like WB has better prospects. Slightly disappointing superhero grosses are better than throwing $100M+ down the toilet on big budget bombs. Thats part of the reason they rushed forward with the DCEU to begin with. Middle Earth is done. I doubt these HP spinoffs will recapture the entire audience of the main series. What else do they have for their live action slate?
Dash_Riprock
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Well crafted.
And I agree, unless he creates a huge wave of interest, I don't see the tides changing.
Father_Brain
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Well, obviously, it's too late to do anything beyond the scope of reshoots on SS and WW. The question is more how BvS' reception will impact JL, and especially their announced 2018-2020 slate.
They have to be keenly aware that the viability of the Flash, Aquaman, and (lol) Cyborg movies is heavily contingent on how those characters are received in Justice League. But are they even capable of doing anything about that, let alone willing?
BronsonLee
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Right?! When BvS goes high, it goes real high. Knock on Snyder for a lot of shit, but he can bring some fun goddamn action to the table
Father_Brain
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Thing is, I think they're looking at more than "slightly" disappointing grosses if they continue down this road. Maybe not for SS or WW, but if Justice League gets a similar reception to BvS... yikes.
LegendofDragoonLives
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HP should bring in a ton of money either way though. Can't wait to see it tonight, not sure exactly what to expect.
I've never heard of that. Schools might plan their spring breaks around it though.
I wonder how many more writers Snyder needs to go through before we can accept that maybe it's Snyder himself who just don't know how to do story very well.
shortsFortallPeople
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snyder needs help!
Father_Brain
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Up until last week, I honestly believed Goyer was responsible for 90% of what I disliked about MoS, but I may have to revise that opinion.
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