Star Ocean 5 character gets less-sexy underwear 'in Fear of Western Criticism'

AlucardGV said:
he didn't call him gay, but schreirer called him "14 years old boy"
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To which he retorted with an artwork of three naked dwarfs he had lying around, noting it might cater more to Schreier's sensibilities. Hence "calling him gay".

Was telling the whole story so hard?
 
spekkeh said:
They're sexualizing teens??!!

Those damn pervy Japanese are going too far.

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Funyarinpa said:
Why must localizations be expected to adhere to the moral standards of other cultures? I personally believe that highlighting moral and ethical differences prevalent in one's culture should be endorsed. Moreover, removing ethical differences is not mandatory to have a localization that successfully conveys its content material to a new audience.
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Within the context of Star Ocean and the West, the culture in Europe and North America is fine with sexuality in games unless they're rated E or something. Western games can have straight up intercourse.
 
PtM said:
To which he retorted with an artwork of three naked dwarfs he had lying around, noting it might cater more to Schreier's sensibilities. Hence "calling him gay".

Was telling the whole story so hard?
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here's the whole story.

We receive many requests from companies to create publicity illustrations for the game, but we never received any requests for the Dwarf. Also, as the game’s street date nears, most retail shops start requesting exclusive art for their retailer-exclusive bonus items. In Japan, these illustration requests can even be as specific as something like female characters in swimwear. In these requests as well, the Dwarf was nowhere to be seen.

So, I decided to unofficially draw a sweaty Dwarf in a bathing suit, with a bit of cynicism towards those retailer requests. I drew 3 of them to show that there are character color variations available.

However, this image is something I created on my own, and will not see the light of day in any publication. I felt it was a shame to just throw it out, and thought I’d just post it on my own Facebook. That’s when I remembered Jason’s article and thought that I’d post it as a little joke with a comment. I used an automated translator to try and make a lighthearted joke in English, but clearly that wasn’t the case. I was very surprised to see the crazy aftermath.
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spekkeh said:
They're sexualizing teens??!!

Those damn pervy Japanese are going too far.
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This reminds me about everybody turning their noses from creepy incest under- and overtones in japanese media, despite "sister" and "mother" being some of the most searched porn tags in the west as well.
 
Riposte said:
He explained why it was more than a panty edit in the very post you quoted. Anyone thinking this is about panties is either missing the forest for the trees or feigning being obtuse. People are not happy that these little culture clashes keep happening and the censoring side keeps winning out. How many times has something like this happened in the last 6 months alone? While I have little interest or respect for boycotts, especially when vocal, the sentiment is fairly understandable. Up until now, the ideal, and the struggle, was to get Japanese content here with as little adjustment as necessary, but now there is new competing, diametrically opposed ideal: Japanese games must be "fixed". The idea that this fixing is moving into the Japanese versions, by the developers own words, is naturally concerning. So people want to get their point across somehow. Any one change isn't the problem, it's the trend or precedent.
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This.

spekkeh said:
They're sexualizing teens??!!

Those damn pervy Japanese are going too far.

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ROFL amazing.
 
If we're veering off-topic we should bring up Japan's corrupt media industry like how Idol's cannot have a boyfriend or even get married without permission because they must maintain the image of purity.

They have a very, very corrupt media industry, even pushing out real journalists so not to question government practice and fired one famous one recently because the new head of the network endorses some things by the government.
 
diaspora said:
Within the context of Star Ocean and the West, the culture in Europe and North America is fine with sexuality in games unless they're rated E or something. Western games can have straight up intercourse.
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That is true to some extent- the level of sexuality is still nowhere near Japan. I was talking about how people raise the "b-b-but it's localization so it *has* to be acceptable for the target audience!" card, since many pro-censorship people ITT are not fond of the "pantieeees!" design and the dev themselves stated that they feared Western backlash so I'd say SOV's brand of sexualization isn't the West's cup of tea just yet.
 
Funyarinpa said:
That is true to some extent- the level of sexuality is still nowhere near Japan. I was talking about how people raise the "b-b-but it's localization so it *has* to be acceptable for the target audience!" card, since many pro-censorship people ITT are not fond of the "pantieeees!" design and the dev themselves stated that they feared Western backlash so I'd say SOV's brand of sexualization isn't the West's cup of tea just yet.
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Dunno, there are Western games with straight up fucking on screen sans visible dick/vagoo. I think the difference is in a western distaste for a seemingly more juvenile depiction of sexuality. People are fine with sex in western game but criticise the same game for having female armor with tits hammered out in it.
 
Funyarinpa said:
That is true to some extent- the level of sexuality is still nowhere near Japan. I was talking about how people raise the "b-b-but it's localization so it *has* to be acceptable for the target audience!" card, since many pro-censorship people ITT are not fond of the "pantieeees!" design and the dev themselves stated that they feared Western backlash so I'd say SOV's brand of sexualization isn't the West's cup of tea just yet.
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This "just in case" fear of backlash is one of the worst parts too as they are starting to pre/self-censor just out of potential fear of Western backlash, leading to stuff like this and the bigger deal of DOAX3 not even getting released, despite the fact that the previous games released in the west just fine.
 
Narroo said:
I don't get it. They made her underware a bit bigger. Why is everyone so upset?
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If you pay attention, you will notice that barely anybody is even taking about her panties. There's larger issues and discussions about the trends in the industry that this is just a small part of.
 
Narroo said:
I don't get it. They made her underware a bit bigger. Why is everyone so upset?
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No idea. It's a non-controversy made into one through tone deafness but also seems like the west was thrown under the bus too.

Angry comments in the bonus picture in the OP are just comments from that site and members that mostly frequent that site are from 2ch.

diaspora said:
Dunno, there are Western games with straight up fucking on screen sans visible dick/vagoo. I think the difference is in a western distaste for a seemingly more juvenile depiction of sexuality. People are fine with sex in western game but criticise the same game for having female armor with tits hammered out in it.
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Man, I hadn't heard the term "vagoo" since my early teens.
 
Nanashrew said:
No idea. It's a non-controversy made into one through tone deafness but also seems like the west was thrown under the bus too.

Angry comments in the bonus picture in the OP are just comments from that site and members that mostly frequent that site are from 2ch.



Man, I hadn't heard the term "vagoo" since my early teens.
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I know right?

Hentailover said:
If you pay attention, you will notice that barely anybody is even taking about her panties. There's larger issues and discussions about the trends in the industry that this is just a small part of.
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This trend is based off of a false boogeyman. Criticism and boycotts that has never really materialized in territories that have no problem with sexuality in games.
 
Nanashrew said:
If we're veering off-topic we should bring up Japan's corrupt media industry like how Idol's cannot have a boyfriend or even get married without permission because they must maintain the image of purity.

They have a very, very corrupt media industry, even pushing out real journalists so not to question government practice and fired one famous one recently because the new head of the network endorses some things by the government.
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It's not just female idols who aren't allowed to date. It sucks for them, but they agree to the terms of the contract before they become an idol.
 
Nanashrew said:
If we're veering off-topic we should bring up Japan's corrupt media industry like how Idol's cannot have a boyfriend or even get married without permission because they must maintain the image of purity.

They have a very, very corrupt media industry, even pushing out real journalists so not to question government practice and fired one famous one recently because the new head of the network endorses some things by the government.
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Actually it's not just idols. Professional wrestler Kazuchika Okada also has it in his contract that he's forbidden to date.

Pic of Okada for reference:

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Narroo said:
I don't get it. They made her underware a bit bigger. Why is everyone so upset?
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Developers are changing more and more about their games due to a select group of people that are sensitive to small stuff like this. Those comments are funny, but they make a great point. We over sexualize women here and consume media that's nothing but killing indiscriminately and it's alright. God forbid a woman wear something she desires because it's taboo.

Do I want to see Lin Lee Koo in over sexualized outfits? No, I don't, but I had the fucking option to NOT see it.
 
Wagram said:
Developers are changing more and more about their games due to a select group of people that are sensitive to small stuff like this. Those comments are funny, but they make a great point. We over sexualize women here and consume media that's nothing but killing indiscriminately and it's alright. God forbid a woman wear something she desires because it's taboo.

Do I want to see Lin Lee Koo in over sexualized outfits? No, I don't, but I had the fucking option to NOT see it.
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Who? Because Bioware, Rock star, and CDPR don't have an issue with this.
 
Wagram said:
Developers are changing more and more about their games due to a select group of people that are sensitive to small stuff like this. Those comments are funny, but they make a great point. We over sexualize women here and consume media that's nothing but killing indiscriminately and it's alright. God forbid a woman wear something she desires because it's taboo.

Do I want to see Lin Lee Koo in over sexualized outfits? No, I don't, but I had the fucking option to NOT see it.
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you know this is a video game character, right?
 
That japanese babyrage over something like this is absolutely hysterical.

Really makes you wonder why it bothers them so much. /sarcasm
 
Narroo said:
I don't get it. They made her underware a bit bigger. Why is everyone so upset?
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They had to come out an announce it while citing the west as the reason.

The change itself is fairly innocuous. I doubt anyone would have noticed, not like a demo was released that could be compared.
 
Morrigan Stark said:
Aye. Which really goes to show that the claims about prudishness and anti-sex are complete bollocks. :)
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Right, so I think it's less of a rejection of sexuality which popular Bioware, Rockstar and CDPR games prove to be an asinine claim, and more of a rejection of how it's presented to the player.
 
As another example, people are fine with man-ass and tits in Dragon Age and Mass Effect but openly mock ME2 and 3 for the camera bizarrely focusing on Miranda's ass during conversations.
 
Game is gonna get a sales boost in the west with this kind of advertisement. It'll probably still sale well in japan, amazon is gonna eat this game alive though lol.

TheHater said:
Pre-order canceled and will picked the game up used in a few months.

This shit is getting out of hand.
It is okay to murder in games but a little sexy/sex/nudity and people start flipping out. Seriously I do not understand.
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That'll show em, just like it did for fire-emblem amirite? Why is murder in games the go to excuse when this comes up?
 
Hentailover said:
This reminds me about everybody turning their noses from creepy incest under- and overtones in japanese media, despite "sister" and "mother" being some of the most searched porn tags in the west as well.
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That's the wrong hole, onii-chan!

It always kills me when people spam this shit on twitch. I love it.
 
A.E Suggs said:
Game is gonna get a sales boost in the west with this kind of advertisement. It'll probably still sale well in japan, amazon is gonna eat this game alive though lol.



That'll show em, just like it did for fire-emblem amirite? Why is murder in games the go to excuse when this comes up?
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What I don't understand is who is flipping out?
 
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