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[Nzyme32]

PCMASTERACE!
consoles can never beat PC all PC nerds live by this. They will pay outragious amount of money for new GPUs just to be on top of the game no puns there.

Many PC folk can be perfectly content with using older hardware, knowing that they have control over the experience enough to prioritise the things that matter to them, while also knowing that games exist in perpetuity so that playing a game at the lower end can mean enjoying it at its highest quality with hardware improvements that they may consider getting later.

You don't need to spend an "outragious" price for anything.

And again, the classic serious use that is always seen of "PC Master race" is from someone with a complex against the people using the platform

 

[Nokterian]

I had to blink my eyes twice seeing this thread.

Thanks for the laughs OP!

 

[x3sphere]

No. One reason, I prefer upgrading components individually. CPUs for example have become far less of a performance factor so for gaming I mostly just need to be concerned with the GPU. I would be forced to buy a whole new box with the PS4k, I don't like that. Of course the CPU inside the current PS4 is very weak and would probably need a upgrade, but if they didn't skimp on it initially, then it wouldn't.

I still have an overclocked i7 920 box (6 year old CPU) that runs almost every game at max settings.

 

[demented waffle]

All I can say is that this thread is awesome.

 

[TheSeks]

Haha n--

Lol no.

--This works, too.

 

[orochi91]

It's destiny

 

[PtKid]

What are people expecting of the so called "PS4K"?

I honestly believe all the console will do is have 4k video compatibility and have the VR processing box inside the actual unit and THAT IS IT!

At $399 no way you will see anything marginally better than at GTX 750, and dont forget we talking AMD APU as well.

 

[redcrayon]

Many PC folk can be perfectly content with using older hardware, knowing that they have control over the experience enough to prioritise the things that matter to them, while also knowing that games exist in perpetuity so that playing a game at the lower end can mean enjoying it at its highest quality with hardware improvements that they may consider getting later.

You don't need to spend an "outragious" price for anything.

And again, the classic use that is always seen of "PC Master race" is from someone with a complex against the people using the platform

This. My friends who play on PCs just like to tinker with their kit and play a mix of old and new stuff at various settings (usually with a pile of spare parts behind them). They seem to like getting the best out of old games as well as the new.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

The exact opposite actually. PC has never looked more attractive.

This. If anything, it is a threat to console gaming.

 

[Demanufacture]

This. My friends who play on PCs just like to tinker with their kit and play a mix of old and new stuff at various settings, they seem to like getting the best out of old games as well as the new.

Mostly every PC gamer I know still uses 4 year old I5's, just with upgraded GFX cards and ram.

 

[orava]

Just like ps3 slim was threat to PC gaming.

 

[nullpoynter]

The exact opposite actually. PC has never looked more attractive.

Exactly! Console upgrades like the PS4K are just going to push more people to the PC, me included.

 

[213372bu]

What? No. Hell no. I'm saying that there are enough PC users out there with more powerful machines than a PS4K already so Sony putting one out won't matter at all to the PC install base. If anything it will hurt the console base and push more people to PC.

My argument is that ironically most people who play on PC have "shitty" setups.

And fun fact, not even including the FPS the games run at, Steam's Hardware survey indicated 62%+ run at resolutions lower than 1080p

That really doesn't matter. A majority really isn't a definable demographic, unlike again a targeted percentage who own a discreet GPU. You also don't need a majority to buy your products to make a profit to consider launching products. It's all relative.

My argument is that PC gaming is not going to be affected by what is basically going to be a PS4 slim.

My assertion, to simply point out the irony of a situation and is simply tangetal to my argument, is that a large majority do not own PCs that run higher than a PS4.

It is a common misconception, and understanding this point is meant for outsiders to learn that PC gaming isn't about having the best graphics or being able to display 4K gaming.

It simple and plainly isn't as evidenced by very basic research on PC gaming's widest marketplace/platform.

 

[Quonny]

A threat? No. But there is some overlap.

Whether that means some PC gamers will move to consoles or some console gamers will move to PC, that's unknown.

 

[derExperte]

TBF, those are two separate statements, upgradable vs. iterative. Some people are happier throwing out an old machine for a new one, than paying less to open the old machine and put in a new part.

Should MS or Sony ever offer upgrades you'll also be able to just go out and buy an already upgraded console while selling your old one. There are differences between both scenarios but one means doom for consoles (well, Xbox) and the other for PCs?

 

[redcrayon]

Mostly every PC gamer I know still uses 4 year old I5's, just with upgraded GFX cards and ram.

Exactly. Rendering the discussion as to whether the bleeding edge of console kit is a threat ignores the vast majority of the PC crowd who are neither on it or caring about it because they don't need it. Not everyone prioritises the new outside of forums.

 

[Deadstar]

If anything, it helps pc gaming because it pushes it towards 4k.

 

[Tenck]

Can't say I remember any of that.

You missed out on a lot then. Plus the 8GB GDDR5 stuff was hilarious too.

 

[Grief.exe]

You have to track what APU AMD is putting out this year, they are stuck with them if they want to keep compatibility.

Precedent would dictate they are likely targeting the 2013/2014 release.

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

My argument is that ironically most people who play on PC have "shitty" setups.

And fun fact, not even including the FPS the games run at, Steam's Hardware survey indicated 62%+ run at resolutions lower than 1080p

I see 29.98% at 3840x1080 and 35.73% at 1920x1080. Those are the two most popular resolutions used. I mean if you define shitty as not being a $2000 machine then yeah, you're correct. I don't define shitty like that though. Any system capable of running the most recent games at high to ultra settings is not really shitty in my definition. I mean, I'm just barely over the requirements for VR and I'm assuming you think my machine is shitty based on your attitude.

 

[DocSeuss]

The PS4K will not be converting the Crossfire/League/WoW audience any time soon. Nor will it change the fact that the majority of the world's biggest streamers/youtubers are PC gamers. And it's not going to have any impact on a massive variety of genres for which the keyboard is better.

Also PC Gaming is already at 4K, because PC gaming is always bleeding edge, which is yet another reason why people stay PC.

All console gaming is doing is moving closer towards the PC. Pretty soon we'll hit a point where there is literally no reason to own a console ever.

 

[Sevenfold]

Psst.... don't tell anyone, but a laptop that plays games is a gaming PC.

Shhh. You'll make them aware of the thousands of games they can play for pennies.

_

Average laptop will out perform the PS4/XBone by the end of the gen (PS5/Xb2

Spoiler

This is getting so complicated

) and even now a 200 quid laptop has an epic back catalogue. Meh, people really like those 'PC' sales figures not the gaming slice. Oh and decent laptop>any tablet.

 

[213372bu]

I see 29.98% at 3840x1080 and 35.73% at 1920x1080. Those are the two most popular resolutions used. I mean if you define shitty as not being a $2000 machine then yeah, you're correct. I don't define shitty like that though. Any system capable of running the most recent games at high to ultra settings is not really shitty in my definition. I mean, I'm just barely over the requirements for VR and I'm assuming you think my machine is shitty based on your attitude.

You're looking at multi-monitor displays, which is another minority.

Look at single screen displays and calculate the percentage by adding up the percentages that are 1080 and above.

And again this is just counting 1080 displays, not people who run games at low at 1080 or people or have bad framerates at 1080

A regular laptop can run lots of the most popular games on medium at 30+ fps at 1080/1440 (Dota 2, CS:GO, Rust, World War Z etc. etc.)

 

[ViolentP]

No.

 

[Chezzymann]

If anything it's a threat to console gaming. As consoles become more and more like PCs I could see more people viewing consoles as obsolete, walled garden devices.

 

[n0razi]

As long as mods are popular, PC isnt going anywhere

 

[Ponn]

Those that want the best graphics and are willing to pay to upgrade every couple years are already PC gamers, this won't take anything from that pool of people.

If anything it's a threat to console gaming.

I kind of agree with this. If they push this it could blow up in their face, at the same time they need to remember one of the reasons people choose console gaming is to avoid the bullshit that comes with PC upgrade cycles. Just seems like console manufacturers trying to be greedy and they will end up imploding their own market which is on shaky ground to begin with.

 

[Woo-Fu]

There is and has ever only been one threat to pc gaming and that is pc gaming itself.

I'm not going to read NeoGAF on a console, or any other forum for that matter. I'm not going to do my taxes on a console. I'm not going to run Photoshop on a console. Simply put I require a PC even if I don't game at all. Putting a decent videocard in it every 3 years is a small additional price to pay for gaming.

The joke is on people who think consoles will one day replace PCs. On that day if you open up your console and look inside guess what you'll find? A bunch of PC parts.

 

[Gren]

Many PC folk can be perfectly content with using older hardware, knowing that they have control over the experience enough to prioritise the things that matter to them, while also knowing that games exist in perpetuity so that playing a game at the lower end can mean enjoying it at its highest quality with hardware improvements that they may consider getting later.

You don't need to spend an "outragious" price for anything.

And again, the classic serious use that is always seen of "PC Master race" is from someone with a complex against the people using the platform

One of main reasons I prefer PC gaming. If consoles ever got to the point where they'd allow us to tailor our experiences to our own preferences, that would be of much greater importance to me than iterative hardware updates.

 

[Vegetable Lasagna]

Not a threat unless it's the base Sony console for the foreseeable future and is easily upgradeable.

 

[casual_gamer]

I think there is a reason we haven't seen a UHD Blu Ray player from Sony yet... As for PC, not a threat at all

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

You're looking at multi-monitor displays, which is another minority.

Look at single screen displays and calculate the percentage by adding up the percentages that are 1080 and above.

And again this is just counting 1080 displays, not people who run games at low at 1080 or people or have bad framerates at 1080

A regular laptop can run lots of the most popular games on medium at 30+ fps at 1080/1440 (Dota 2, CS:GO, Rust, World War Z etc. etc.)[

So, your point is that most gaming PCs are shittier than a PS4 already so a PS4K will do nothing to affect PC gaming because it's already inferior? Or is that they're completely different platforms and one doesn't affect the other?

Honest to god, man, I have no idea what you're on about here and how it relates to the PS4K affecting PC gaming.

 

[Aaron D.]

I can't stop refreshing this thread!

(Kinda sad that Rion split though.)

 

[Grief.exe]

Are there people on GAF that believe that the PS4K will render 3D games at 4K?

 

[Markoman]

Are there people on GAF that believe that the PS4K will render 3D games at 4K?

yes, for 399$ and if you put a tooth under your cushion a fairy will replace it with a dollar. Just believe

 

[geordiemp]

This of course is all my opinion but I'd figure I'd give my two cents:

Lighthouse, as far as hardware goes, is inherently superior. Lighthouse = Walking around VR. PSVR = If you turn around from the camera your motion controls will not work.

1. Recent Call of Duty games on PC have actually been better on a controller, because they get a STUPID amount of aim-assist.

Yeah but if PSVR can do 180 degree lighthouse with 2 moves then thats fine.

Remember lighthouse has cables dangling from your head, doing 360's is not so safe or clever. But got to admit, the VR experiences that look cool involve first person and shooting or action for me. Gimme dat light sabre ...

I just think sony, being such a large corp, will not take the risk of injuries especially in USA. I am undecided, as TV gaming I definitely prefer console, bigger and more bad ass the better.

 

[213372bu]

So, your point is that most gaming PCs are shittier than a PS4 already so a PS4K will do nothing to affect PC gaming because it's already inferior?

My point is that the majority of PC gamers don't game at even a resolution of 1080p, much less run modern games at high quality graphics at an equivalent/higher level as insinuated by multiple posts in this thread.

PC gaming as a platform isn't reliant on the "cutting-edge" as someone else said earlier.

PC gaming is an entirely different beast and my tangential argument was that there is irony insinuating that PC gamers are going to flock to the "PS4K" because it is going to be suddenly more powerful than their systems.

It's ironic because most PC gamers don't run their games at high resolutions, and most communities just so happen to build around games with a low system requirement.

My point isn't that "PC gaming is for people with bad systems", which I'm not even sure how it can be seen as such, but that performance is independent of the PC gaming scene.

Edit:

Honest to god, man, I have no idea what you're on about here and how it relates to the PS4K affecting PC gaming.

If you don't understand my argument then what's the point in trying to argue over a simple source?

Why draw insinuations from stuff if you don't know where I'm coming from?

 

[diamount]

My argument is that PC gaming is not going to be affected by what is basically going to be a PS4 slim.

My assertion, to simply point out the irony of a situation and is simply tangetal to my argument, is that a large majority do not own PCs that run higher than a PS4.

It is a common misconception, and understanding this point is meant for outsiders to learn that PC gaming isn't about having the best graphics or being able to display 4K gaming.

It simple and plainly isn't as evidenced by very basic research on PC gaming's widest marketplace/platform.

1. Yes, that does not need to be stated. No console, released now or in the near future is going to impact PC gaming in any shape or form due to the landscape being dominated by F2P games designed for low-end hardware.

2. Well, in one of your previous posts you said crap PC's which depending on the year, is far below a PC. But yes.. considering most people PC's are now own notebooks, that again is an obvious fact.

I don't think that opinion is shared by anyone who isn't a troll or their first interaction with PC gamers is through r/pcmasterrace. But I don't know why you are disregarding the fact that a percentage, no matter how small still play multiplats on PC over consoles, because there would be no reason for publishers to port them otherwise.

 

[Mudcrab]

PC is gaming growth is seriously overstated because of a handful of F2P games. I don't think anyone can deny that. Most people also don't care about graphic and modding, that's the reality.

Anyways, I knew my opinion would be unpopular here. Gaf is seriously out of touch with the general world, especially outside the western sphere. I am done here.

Tell me more about reality dude.

 

[Man]

I for one will have built my last stationary PC due to this.

Console iterations will make a smaller dent into the high-end PC market but the bigger dent is produced by light, sexy and quite capable laptops.

 

[bbalint97]

No.

 

[omonimo]

Is this a stealth thread create for trolling console gamers? I don't believe for a second OP is convinced of this.

 

[vpance]

What are people expecting of the so called "PS4K"?

I honestly believe all the console will do is have 4k video compatibility and have the VR processing box inside the actual unit and THAT IS IT!

At $399 no way you will see anything marginally better than at GTX 750, and dont forget we talking AMD APU as well.

6TF $399

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

My point is that the majority of PC gamers don't game at even a resolution of 1080p, much less run modern games at high quality graphics at an equivalent/higher level as insinuated by multiple posts in this thread.

PC gaming as a platform isn't reliant on the "cutting-edge" as someone else said earlier.

PC gaming is an entirely different beast and my tangential argument was that there is irony insinuating that PC gamers are going to flock to the "PS4K" because it is going to be suddenly more powerful than their systems.

It's ironic because most PC gamers don't run their games at high resolutions, and most communities just so happen to build around games with a low system requirement.

My point isn't that "PC gaming is for people with bad systems", which I'm not even sure how it can be seen as such, but that performance is independent of the PC gaming scene.

Edit:


If you don't understand my argument then what's the point in trying to argue over a simple source?

Why draw insinuations from stuff if you don't know where I'm coming from?

I'm not arguing, never was. I was trying to understand where you're coming from with your "most PCs and their connections are shitty" comment. I actually agree with you on all of your points and had you actually said them instead of trying to be clever this would all have been avoided.

On a related note, get over yourself.

 

[PeskyToaster]

I'm looking into building a PC but I still like the idea of console gaming. I probably won't get a new Xbox but Sony consoles still have great games to justify them.

 

[Beerman462]

I hear PS4K is so powerful they are calling it a conswole.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Just wait until they announce PC2, Sony is doomed.

Oh god if this had been first post.

 

[Lister]

Is this a stealth thread create for trolling console gamers? I don't believe for a second OP is convinced of this.

Apaprently, console gamers are doing a great job trolling themselves here.

Some of these comments... holy cow.

 

[213372bu]

1. Yes, that does not need to be stated. No console, released now or in the near future is going to impact PC gaming in any shape or form due to the landscape being dominated by F2P games designed for low-end hardware.

2. Well, in one of your previous posts you said crap PC's which depending on the year, is far below a PC. But yes.. considering most people PC's are now own notebooks, that again is an obvious fact.

1. Well that was my point in my post that was meant solely to talk about a simple irony and clear up what somebody said earlier in the thread.

2. If a simple laptop or average $200 computer can run some of Steam's top games more than fine at 1080p that most people have below-average rigs. The in-depth hardware survey responses prove my point. I used "shit" to describe lower powered rigs because I was on my phone atm and didn't want to get into technicalities and semantics over just saying something so simple.

I don't think that opinion is shared by anyone who isn't a troll or their first interaction with PC gamers is through r/pcmasterrace. But I don't know why you are disregarding the fact that a percentage, no matter how small still play multiplats on PC over consoles, because there would be no reason for publishers to port them otherwise.

I never said that at all, didn't even insinuated it.

Just wanted to point out a simple irony from the many misconceptions that both the OP and many posters in here had.
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Pointing out some irony really makes me have to drop out multi-paragraph justification replies, lol.

 

[Lister]

Console iterations will make a smaller dent into the high-end PC market but the bigger dent is produced by light, sexy and quite capable laptops.

That's why the PC gaming hardware market keeps shrinking year after year...

Oh wait...

In fact PC gaming is so unsuccessful and outdated that console manufacturers absolutely have not, and will not, under any circumstance try to emulate it in any way shape or form...

Oh wait...