PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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You wanna specifically call someone out, or are you gonna roll with the generalizations?
LeeRoyBrown
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When has more power = Better games?
Maintenance
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Hahaha, thanks for calling me a Xbox fanboy, first time that happened in ages. No, seriously, ages. About the second question, what I said isn't about "ok for MS and not for Sony", they are both fucking it up by doing it. But since I'm against this and Sony is pushing this even harder than MS then I wouldn't mind seeing them get wrecked, I won't be getting any of them anyway.
I've got no problem with progress. You guys are hilarious.
The PS4 will have been out for 3 years by the time this is potentially released. I'm sure the PS4, with its user base of 30-40 million, will be able to justify its existence for at least a couple years. There's your arbitrary 5 year console generation length milestone. Nothing to worry about!
The PS4 will have been out for 3 years by the time this is potentially released. I'm sure the PS4, with its user base of 30-40 million, will be able to justify its existence for at least a couple years. There's your arbitrary 5 year console generation length milestone. Nothing to worry about!
BleedOrange
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Welcome to buying things. They get outdated over time. Happened to every computer ever made on the planet so far. Why should this one be any different?
Not every publisher has access to a studio on the level of ND. MS has Remedy. Nintendo has Retro. Ubisoft has...
30fps is fine. 60fps is better? sure.
Not even close.
Oculus + min spec PC = $1500
OGPS4 ($400) + PSVR ($450 w/cam) + PS4K ($400)= $1250 - $200 PS4 trade in = $1050
This is hilarious to me as welltexhnolyze said:
It's funny how a lot of "pro-iteration" basically are suddenly rehashing some of the stuff we were hearing pre-ps4. But no THIS TIME it'll be real trust me guys. And if it's not who cares, you still get to play the old games. Sub 30 to 20-25 fps and downgrades is fine ! (and yes, I consider these the same people as I saw it myself after the ps4 released and suddenly justifications piled up to make excuses that the ps4 was not a magical all powerful beast)
I still can't believe how some seem to not have followed any other platform or trends for the past decade, and how they can look at this and not see it as a clear downgrade for the majority and another rare bonus for consoles taken away.
Like someone else said: It's a proprietary PC now
vpance
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It's certainly possible, but the only thing you can really do is complain and hope that devs maintain a decent standard for the base model.
There's definitely pros and cons to the incremental hardware strategy but it was bound to happen with the move to AMD and X86. If Sony didn't shoot first then MS would, but likely they're both releasing an upgraded model at the same time. Hopefully the pros become tangible enough to everyone that makes upgrading a palatable decision.
I think eventually these growing pains will pass, as lame as that sounds. Gamers who feel like you do may really decide to move to PC or wait and only buy the .5's, but maybe that's a risk MS & Sony are willing to take.
Bright-Light
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Hype!! I will be there day one. Was gonna buy a second ps4 for the bedroom. Will wait for ps4k and then stick ps4 in the bedroom.
Then bring on the PS4K.5 I will buy that too!!
Gimme GOW4k.5.
Then bring on the PS4K.5 I will buy that too!!
Gimme GOW4k.5.
maybe, but maybe it means more sales opportunity due to increased install base so more resources allocated to optimization. Or maybe the lowest common denominator still gets the most work. Either way, no one can confidently say they know the PS4 version will get less than half the optimization it's currently getting.
People are really reaching here, with comments about their system becoming worthless and how this will lead to annual refreshes, the exaggerated conjecture is tiresome.
ArkhamFantasy
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Correct, Sony is taking away one of the biggest advantages of a console and replacing it with one of the biggest drawbacks of PC gaming.
Devs are able to get dramatically more out of a console than a similar spec'd PC because they can focus on a single Sku.
And if expansion packs and the New 3DS are anything to go by, PS4 owners are going to be getting sub 30 FPS games once this thing comes out, which is my single biggest pet peeve in all of gaming.
But not to worry, i can just spend another 500 dollars to get my frame rate back up to 30 FPS! yay !
sechsterangriff
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Hm... I wonder if those $499/€499 can buy me a decent Polaris/Pascal card by the end of the year/ early 2017.
We finally got to the point where most games aren't hamstrung by being cross-gen with the PS3. Now devs are going to optimize for PS4K and we're going to get the hand-me-down ports? It's fucked up.
Marty Chinn
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What if this mid step prolongs the generation though?
Are we saying there's a large group of people who would have never bought a PS4 but now will because of a better spec'd PS4?
How do you even know this?
Not if they announce some kind of official price drop due for fall. A bit before the PSVR release...
I dont think so.
People that could buy a PS4 for US300 will wait to have the "new console".
This is not smartphones market like some are trying to imply.
Consoles are well known for everybody from the regular user to the enthusiastics as machine of "generations".
And they are going to have A LOT of work trying to explain for everybody that after decades this has changed.
Its not imposible, Im not saying that.
But a bad announcement can kill both the OG PS4 and the 4k in a row.
RipperGrim
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You seriously can't see why people would be upset that the console they bought being outdated quite unexpectedly is an issue?
I would be pissed if this turn out to be true and I recently bought a PS4, it's not what people want for console gaming and quite honestly this is probably the shittiest idea I have seen for a console that is up there with MS making their console online only. Not that I believe this is true though.
wonderful103
Member
It's real.
Lol that's cute, you think you're going to get trade in at 200 when this is out? Not to mention: Computers are modular, consoles are not.
If Sony thinks they can actually do this and get away with it, they've lost their minds. This isn't how Consoles are supposed to work. It's an outright betrayal of the 40+ million who already bought the Console, and it will badly split the user base. Sony and PlayStation are done in the Console space if any of of this turns out to be true, and I'm done with them period. This is just disgusting to me.
Me_Marcadet
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The ps4k has exactly the same components and architecture of the ps4, but with more power.
If this is the case, targeting and optimizing your game for the ps4k will also benefit the ps4 version. If they make the code run better on the ps4k, it will also run better on the ps4.
Unless people have serious proof of a game being downgraded on ps4 because of the ps4k version, this is great news for all the consumer who don't mind paying more for better performance.
If this is the case, targeting and optimizing your game for the ps4k will also benefit the ps4 version. If they make the code run better on the ps4k, it will also run better on the ps4.
Unless people have serious proof of a game being downgraded on ps4 because of the ps4k version, this is great news for all the consumer who don't mind paying more for better performance.
AkimbO_Arcana
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I'm done with console gaming with the exception of Nintendo. Back to PC gaming after a 10 year break for me. Whats the point if I have to get another 400 box after 3 years?
Where are these companies that offer upgrade programs for their $400+ products? Is this really expected or only just dreamed of?
Bubba_Sparks
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The way I see Sony wanting developers to treat this system is by utilizing the settings developers already work into PC versions of their games. The PS4 version will be roughly equivalent to a PC on low / medium as it is in most cases. The PS4K will be roughly equivalent to a PC on medium / high settings with settings like HBAO+ enabled. The PS4K will run all of its games at 1080p with ability to upscale to 4K. Some very simple games could do 4K native, but nothing like Uncharted will run at that resolution without sacrifices. Sony first part will also target a similar divide, as that keeps both atforms viable in the long run.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I don't understand the outrage tbh. In my view this is like getting pissed off that the Google Nexus 5x is released after I bought my Nexus 5 a year ago. Sure I get that this is something new in the game console space but it isn't exactly a new concept for consumer electronics. My Nexus 5 still works fine and runs all of the apps and games I could run on a Nexus 5x. Eventually I'll upgrade my Nexus 5 to the 5x or something better.
It's not uncommon for a large portion of GAF to react negatively to any sort of news or change in the video game industry but this time it just seems particularly silly.
It's not uncommon for a large portion of GAF to react negatively to any sort of news or change in the video game industry but this time it just seems particularly silly.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
what i take from this thread is "if i cant have it you also cant"
These posts are so far off target I don't even think people read any more.
If you read the thread, the people against it are largely arguing that they don't believe devs will keep optimizing games for OG PS4 and instead optimize for PS4K instead and that will result in poor performance.
HomerSimpson-Man
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I completely agreed.
RedRooster
Member
PSVR is using 8(?) year old controllers. I think we know Sony's m.o.
David Ricardo
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Well, you don't care if I start getting crappy ports in my PS4 and I don't care if your fancy PC isn't taken full advantage of because developers target PS4s bigger userbase.
I think that makes things even.
I was talking about the build quality of the DS4. My current DS4 has right trigger that sticks and the right analog stick has no rubber left on it. On top of that the battery life is worst wireless control ever!
Hold your horses, we aren't 100% certain this is real, let alone how it'll be received.
I think The Simpsons made a mock several years ago with Bart wanting a GameStation 254 when he had a GameStation 251, and the same thing has been done across the media multiple times in the past two decades.
PuppetMaster
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Whether not this becomes successful will be determined by the wallets of hardcore fans. The ones who buy launch consoles and regularly buy full price games.
Not the people who buy a PS4 years after launch and only buy the deeply discounted greatest hits.
So I think Sony is ok with burning those who got on board with PS4 recently. And if they waited this long, they can wait some more.
Not the people who buy a PS4 years after launch and only buy the deeply discounted greatest hits.
So I think Sony is ok with burning those who got on board with PS4 recently. And if they waited this long, they can wait some more.
This announcement completely fucks me up because now I have to wait at least 2 years before I can get PSVR. I can't afford to get PS4K and PSVR in the same time frame. I would rather Get PS4K first because i have a fear that game development on the original PS4 after PS4K's release will have less effort and optimization and will be treated as a second class citizen compared to the more powerful hardware.
Bright-Light
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This, but a upgrade my PC instead.
geordiemp
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From the sony hardware platforms to the Nintendo hardware platforms, all upgraded every 3 years, some with gimmicks....
MaximusPayne
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What does Nintendo have to do with Sony?
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
A trade in program? LOL.
If they dont update the Jaguar CPU then the GPU upgrades will be wasted. The crappy CPU is why Ass creed Unity, Hitman, F4 and Witcher run like shit. I'm definitely on board, I don't want a gimped console. Will treat it like my phone upgrades and trade in the old model for a discount on the newer.
Glorified G
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Forget the fact your making a big assumption about the trade in but if someone is going to spend over $1000+ to play VR, might as well go with the open platform. Especially since there is no longer one spec console that devs can focus on anymore.
It's all a matter of perspective. You could look at it as the ps4k will see a significant improvement to performance.
We know the figures, 2x. Set your expectations accordingly.