Cyborg
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Finding the right moment to sell your PS4 will be crucial. You can sell it better early than late a lot of us have the same idea!
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Finding the right moment to sell your PS4 will be crucial. You can sell it better early than late a lot of us have the same idea!
my expectation was that there would be more than one option with more than one configuration. so you'd have ps4 and ps4k from the start (in this example), instead of having one and then another one year later. from the onset, the idea of multiple hardware configurations is there and when something else pops up, it isn't a surprise.
SmoothBrain
Member
I hope they actually go for the better CPU, which I assume is responsible for a lot of streaming issues.
Ah there's an OT title for launch - @4k the players
Fair enough.
I actually find most PS4 games run pretty great for the most part (I don't buy a lot of the more famous broken games eg Just Cause 3) so I hope it turns out the way you explain.
Abinash117
Member
Because some think that the games will be inferior and thus they were punished for buying something they did not expect to happen at all. Most people here are gaming enthusiasts so this to them is something they may can adapt too, but an more average gamer might think this might screw them over because it'll be out of the blue. No one here knows anything, so no one can't guarantee that some game might end up designed for the PS4K, get down ported to the PS4. If some games start running worse on the PS4 then many people would be furious. Games being inferior to the original version already happened between the new 3ds and the old one. People aren't going to trust anyone. Also it can be expensive as some people said they already do with phones right? Well it might be even more expensive now that they have to do with this at the same time if they feel the pressure too.
It is going to be hard for many to accept something that was never introduced in the traditional console market, some will see this as too expensive for them. Besides consoles aren't important as a phone; I can see people not being used to this again consoles are primary made for gaming, most people see it as a casual hobby. If they find it to be expensive or to bothersome I expect many to be upset, I guess this is the reaction. Personally, I don't know exactly if this is true as it might be one of those things that gets float around, but not really happening as imaged. It seems odd since by the time this comes out assuming in 2017 there would be around 50-60ish million PS4s.
ninjablade
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Finding the right moment to sell your PS4 will be crucial. You can sell it better early than late a lot of us have the same idea!
If a wiiu is selling for 200$ plus on ebay when it's dead and its successor has been announced, I'm sure u will easily get 250 for a ps4, 2 weeks before 4.5 releases.
I'm happy for games like Uncharted to be 30fps tbh. Obviously with VR it's different as the higher frame rate is a matter of necessity to avoid sickness and poor viewing, not just a matter of compromise. I also think hardware improvements are relative. If the PS4 was twice the power it is today, that doesn't automatically mean Uncharted 4 would have been 60fps. They may very well have stuck to 30fps in order to push even more graphical fidelity, such as has been the case every gen thus far. Some developers just prefer the added eye candy, scope, physics etc going 30fps over 60fps affords them, especially with closed development optimisation.
The "main" reason is surely 4k/PSVR. Neither of them interest me. This WILL mainly be about power when God of War 4 is shown on the PS4.5. That's ultimately how the PS4.5 will reach a lot of gamers.
Phase out a console that will have probably sold 50+ million consoles in 3 years?
John Caboose
Member
I've barely used my Playstation 4 so I find it unlikely that I would upgrade, at least until a lot later in the generation. A faster Xbox One on the other hand would be perfect for me and a more or less day one purchase. I would totally go for a white model.
Discotheque
Banned
i wonder if it would even be worth it without a 4k tv or will 1080p (or less) games look worse on the old ps4 as well.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Yes this is crucial. I don't want any more half-measures. Go all-in and do it right this time.
ninjablade
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So did ps2 games run like shit cause of xbox, or did playstation games run like shit cause of n64? You guys forget ps4 has a 50 million lead on ps4.5
gundamkyoukai
Member
True but we know ND wanted 60fps but had to go for 30.
Then for the MP they had to go for 900p and cut effects to get the 60fps.
Plus the system came to early for the 4k and VR push .
If launch with these specs it would have cost way to much .
Eh, in this case the new PS4 is just a straight upgrade that we know will be BC. I'd expect them to be going for pretty cheap, especially if they hit the $399 point for the new model.
Yup.
PS4K will still fall under the PS4 brand.
The vanilla SKU served its purpose, now it's time to get the more powerful machine on the market and let it be the primary focus until the PS5 is announced several years from now.
flipswitch
Member
Fixed.
Melchiah
Member
If they have similar hardware architecture, what's stopping the code optimisations from working on both platforms? General purpose computing on GPU is likely valid on both systems.
lol this was pretty good
Mac@NeoGAF
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This shift to x86 PC based hardware really has fundamentally changed the nature of the console market.
Sony can only even consider this because a 3rd party (AMD) is spending all the big bucks designing their CPU/GPU for them.
Sony are saving hundreds of millions of $$$ each cycle.
Sony can only even consider this because a 3rd party (AMD) is spending all the big bucks designing their CPU/GPU for them.
Sony are saving hundreds of millions of $$$ each cycle.
Yes, but I rather Sony introduce their product.
It is now that there's a PS4K on the horizon. Prior to the PS4K stuff, I was happy to buy the PSVR simply to play less graphically impressive VR games on the PS4. But now I feel like in future, PS4K might be an indirect necessity for VR, but that obviously adds to the costs (as you might essentially need to buy the PS4K on top of the VR unit). That diminishes the PSVR's initial incentive, which was the affordability of it, as well as already having the hardware to run it.
I'd be surprised if certain VR games in future weren't PS4K exclusive.
i do remember that games were generally optimized for xbox and occasionally gamecube but not really ps2. splinter cell, psychonauts, and beyond good & evil come to mind.
psx games generally ran much better than their saturn counterparts, where i believe there were more multiplatform experiences (versus n64/psx).
i bought my ps4 last december, will see how this develops, there are reasons to agree and also to disagree with this approach.
However if a more powerful ps4 is to be released next year it is also possible that this becomes a standard preactice for consoles in the future and there will be another 'upgrade' in 2020 so no worried at all as long as games run fine on ps4 (obviously better looking, like high setting for pc on ps4K)
However if a more powerful ps4 is to be released next year it is also possible that this becomes a standard preactice for consoles in the future and there will be another 'upgrade' in 2020 so no worried at all as long as games run fine on ps4 (obviously better looking, like high setting for pc on ps4K)
Watch your back, Wollan!
RoadHazard
Gold Member
"Sacrificed performance" doesn't necessarily have to mean what people think (i.e. all games will run at 20 fps on the regular PS4). It might mean (even though it's the wrong usage of the word) that the PS4K will run games at or near maxed PC settings, while the PS4 will have to settle for medium settings (maybe with slightly less stable performance). So basically like what we have now, except there will be a console that can compete with good (but not top-of-the-line) gaming PCs. Regarding 4K, forget about that happening with AAA games. That's for the PS5.
For me, who's had a PS4 since release, an optional upgrade (this is not the PS5, the games will still work on the current PS4) after 3.5 years feels perfectly acceptable. As long as we don't get games that are PS4K exclusive, of course. I can understand how this would really rub someone who very recently bought a PS4 the wrong way though. But yeah, I'm in.
For me, who's had a PS4 since release, an optional upgrade (this is not the PS5, the games will still work on the current PS4) after 3.5 years feels perfectly acceptable. As long as we don't get games that are PS4K exclusive, of course. I can understand how this would really rub someone who very recently bought a PS4 the wrong way though. But yeah, I'm in.
Which is unfortunate because I would very much have liked to see what the Cell 2.0 could have been.
Alas.
:/
A load of games at the end of the PS3 /Xbox 360 era were poorly optimised, outsourced pieces of shit
Now this is a much needed change in the console industry.
Woah dude, you're back! But I disagree with you lol.
they should switch the two. make ps4k the base for ps vr (but ps4 owners can get psvr too).
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I'm all over this.
This is what could push me to buy a new 4K TV that i've been holding off on.
This is what could push me to buy a new 4K TV that i've been holding off on.
PS4 VR is looking so expensive at this point.
Yup.
They have to be aware how this PS4K news will negatively impact their vanilla PS4 SKU sales during the holiday season.
Q1 2017 is insanity.
For someone who has found no reason to own a PS4 (or Xbone) this is perfect. I can see consoles becoming an iPad-type upgrade deal; buy one, skip a generation or two, then upgrade. As long as new games are backwards compatible and make graphical sacrifices to run on older hardware, I say do it... And rich folks will buy all of them without hesitation. Only equals more $$$ for Sony.
This is the result of releasing an underpowered $400 console. Nobody wants to pay $600-$800 so you end up with a machine with half the lifespan. It's not a bad thing IMO since hardware will be relatively cheaper mid gen and it allows a more affordable path for the budget gamer who can get by with less performance. PS4K ends up being similar to $800 PS4 performance with the benefit of splitting the payment up over 3 years and option to trade in or ebay the old system.
gundamkyoukai
Member
That would depend on price.
If PS4 is $200 i don't see someone not buying it if PS4k cost $500.
Nah, Sony would be shooting themselves in the foot if they put out two new and expensive SKUs on the market simultaneously. They have to give each one some marketing breathing room from one another.
$500 for a peripheral was always priced out of the mainstream.
This is my experience. Everyone has more tech, but far less people now understand the basics of how they work or how to fix problems with it. It's not like 1998-2001 when people had to know some bare minimum basics about networking, how to fix common issues with Windows, and the lay person had a general idea of what was in their tech and what made it faster than something else. Now it's just Galaxy S-something, iPhone number-letter, Surface Something number, etc. If it somehow manages to not work, reboot it. If that doesn't work, get a new one. Need to connect to wifi? Just turn the thing on, it does it all for you now.
Seconded. I had a feeling this was going to be an issue where the games basically are broken and unplayable on the original PS4 and this sounds like they might be. I'm not interested in upgrading, not everyone has that kind of money to spend even with a trade in.
I'm feeling so burnt out on gaming. My consoles aren't worth the money, my PC has issues with Windows not letting certain things run now and I can't seem to fix it. So burnt out.