Final Fantasy XV: Platinum Demo Thread
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I don't know what to make of the combat system. It seems like it's in the perfect middle ground of functional yet not specialized at all. Manually pressing attack oftentimes doesn't allow the combo to finish, so you might as well be holding the button. The same goes for defense, which I find puzzling.
Did the previous demo have any enemies that made good use to this system? I feel there's no weight or substance to this system, at all.
Did the previous demo have any enemies that made good use to this system? I feel there's no weight or substance to this system, at all.
MultiJhonny
Banned
not the first time lol
NoctisVsStar
Member
Gotta try this out tomorrow, wouldn't be fair on my end to say "tales from my ass" lol
Big Green Anus
Member
Game was alot more clunky and sluggish than I expected. My plan was to make this my first major Final Fantasy game, but I'm leaning towards just buying a cheap copy of Final Fantasy 13.
PowderedToast
Junior Member
yes but not everyone follows updates from SE, and for many people this is the first opportunity they've had to play the game after years of waiting. first impressions are everything.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
There is a hard lock on (The L1 button) that they don't show on the controls. The right stick is the soft lock.
From an informed perspective this demo seems like a good complimentary piece to the Duscae demo. It's more of a environment/tech demonstation with hints of story and a sprinkle of battle whereas Duscae was the meat and potatoes of battle, leveling and exploration. However I feel like this demo is meant for a conference because of that. Why did they make such an odd decision and make this the current demo for non FF Type-0 owners? Even some first time FFXV players in this thread are either negative on this or simply confused.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Because the game IS designed around holding and not pressing. You would have to literally mash the button rapidly so as to simulate the holding effect to get the combo going. Needless to say, I don't like that either. Why does Tabata find the need to fix what isn't broken and make an Action RPG where basic attacks are carried out by holding is beyond me. This could be easily fixed and made the combat a lot more responsive and fluid but nope, we can't have that.
NoctisVsStar
Member
You will hardly or even play as kid Noctis in the final game, his section was more showcasing the open world/scale, showing early car mechanics, hinting at exploration, showing how cities will be. Plus we got a taste of adult Noctis revamped with the switching mechanics. Combat is tricky cause for some cause I guess they're trying to play it like a DMC game so it's conflicting.
The way I play is tapping and not holding/mashing since you can cancel out of an attack by dodging, I don't hold defend unless I see a big attack coming my way. It's a different way to play. While I admit it's a awkward hybrid of an action game it can work if you go thru the motions which I think a lot of folks are fighting with their brains since it doesn't play like the action games we're accustomed to.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
I think he tried to find a middle ground between fully automatic(MMO style) and Character Action(Devil May Cry Style). It took me a while to adjust in Duscae but once you have more attacks, spells, and commands to deal with, it starts to make a little more sense as to why his team did it that way.
NightShift
Member
I hope the reaction from this demo will convince SE to release the other one for everybody. I need a slice out of the middle of the game to get a real feel for its combat and other mechanics.
Those pictures from an cutscene where you can't manipulate the weather/time yet.
HoopzBarkley
Member
Okay yeah its a short demo, its a fun little tech demo I guess. Its weird I thought the drop were gonna be terrible from reading impressions on here, but they weren't that bad idk It did not feel like it dropped super low from what I seen someone say like 15-20. Combat is weird but with warping you can do some fun stuff.
MultiJhonny
Banned
just look up somnus on youtube lol
It is. Both text and VA can be set to Japanese.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
This demo is a wierd fucking thing. I'm not done yet, but so far I'm not sure if they should have bothered.
Are we sure this isn't a KH3 demo that got mislabelled by mistake?
I mean how could you not.
Are we sure this isn't a KH3 demo that got mislabelled by mistake?
That and Katamari
Perfect, thanks! I figured it was a good question given the platform likely won't be seeing that version released over there.
I'll play through it on PS4 now while I DL the XBO version for captures.
I really enjoyed the demo, it kept reminding me of KH though.
I thought it looked great, but then again, I haven't played a lot of AAA current-gen games.
But, comparing it to Dragon Age: Inquisition for example, how can people say it looks bad?
DA:I for reference:
Also, after having played Duscae, I felt like this time the framerate was way more stable.
I thought it looked great, but then again, I haven't played a lot of AAA current-gen games.
But, comparing it to Dragon Age: Inquisition for example, how can people say it looks bad?
DA:I for reference:
Also, after having played Duscae, I felt like this time the framerate was way more stable.
I suppose it doesn't help that I never had a chance to play the Duscae demo, because reading some impressions here, I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of the nuance in the combat, as this demo is way more simplified until that last fight when you control Noctis as an adult.
Messed around and took me an hour maybe since I fucked around a lot and paused a lot. It's a really short demo if you don't explore or fuck around with the weird shit.
I tried for a few minutes to understand how parrying works, but I didn't play Duscae yet so I might be missing something. I never really successfully attacked when the big flashing attack came up on screen I think. I also don't really know if the big flashing defend had anything to do with it either. I don't know if it also has to do with what weapon you're using. Also something about holding L1 or R1 for Algasomething, but I have no idea what it was?
I collected mostly all of the shinies except a few probably. I don't really know what the point was of collecting them. I figured they activated certain pads at certain thresholds, but dunno. Meteorain, or whatever it was, blinded me pretty hard. Some framerate dips too, but nothing felt super egregious to me. The way the blocks freaked the fuck out physics wise was really weird to see for a Final Fantasy game.
Edit- Also I had a charge move with the broadsword I did, but I have no idea how I did it. If you hold the button you obviously keep attacking so I have no idea how I would charge a move. I also don't know if I'm insane but a 360 degree motion might of done a cyclone type move when I did it? I don't know, man. It's kind of unclear.
I tried for a few minutes to understand how parrying works, but I didn't play Duscae yet so I might be missing something. I never really successfully attacked when the big flashing attack came up on screen I think. I also don't really know if the big flashing defend had anything to do with it either. I don't know if it also has to do with what weapon you're using. Also something about holding L1 or R1 for Algasomething, but I have no idea what it was?
I collected mostly all of the shinies except a few probably. I don't really know what the point was of collecting them. I figured they activated certain pads at certain thresholds, but dunno. Meteorain, or whatever it was, blinded me pretty hard. Some framerate dips too, but nothing felt super egregious to me. The way the blocks freaked the fuck out physics wise was really weird to see for a Final Fantasy game.
Edit- Also I had a charge move with the broadsword I did, but I have no idea how I did it. If you hold the button you obviously keep attacking so I have no idea how I would charge a move. I also don't know if I'm insane but a 360 degree motion might of done a cyclone type move when I did it? I don't know, man. It's kind of unclear.
Definitely keep an open mind as the combat in the open world and dungeon in Duscae are much more varied and less simple. This demo was a bad idea marketing wise to release to the general public.
So um... is this really how the game plays? Holding down one button to attack and holding down another to dodge and sometimes you warp around? I mean, it just seems odd that it isn't tapping a button like every other game. It's auto-pilot out the ass. Then again, it wouldn't be the first FF game to play itself. I leave the demo very underwelmed. The final game is going to have to have a pretty great story to balance the gameplay.
Was there any point to the collect-a-thon with the crystals? I took the time of going through every nook and cranny picking them all up and it didn't seem to do anything.
Was there any point to the collect-a-thon with the crystals? I took the time of going through every nook and cranny picking them all up and it didn't seem to do anything.
Zomba13
Member
Every 100 crystals (or there abouts)unlocks a new plate to use and you can get goodies later on (like better "magic" and weapons).
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Pretty much same thing.. although you can mix weapons and stuff. I mean you can here too but there aint no special moves.
The combat here is even more limited than what was in Duscae. I will say I think the camera and lock on is improved.
i literally said in the first comparison that it should help people with both systems like myself.
some people like to see the difference... and its noticeable here. not JUST resolution... not trying hard at all... the screenshots speak for themselves... dont know what to say if you dont see a difference... everyone else does. seems more like you dont want to acknowledge the difference.
i hit the switches to make both tod/weather as close as possible... its not exact, but theyre close. some of those are from the opening cutscene right before you gain control too so i dont know how different the time or weather are during those scenes.
GasProblem
Member
Throwing a shitload of Meteorrains and Raindrops is hilarious, particle effects eeeeeverywhere haha. FPS doesn't even drop that much doing that.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
The problem for me is I keep approaching it like if it's a DMC game. Target lock, strafe, evade, counter attack etc.
This press and hold shit is getting on my nerves and it's not intuitive to the action elements this game is trying to borrow from.
Not to mention mapping attack to O...
ss_lemonade
Member
Yikes, if this is already considered much better, episode duscae must have been headace inducing.
I agree with the soundtrack being fantastic.
It seemed to average with a really low frame rate though. There were also a lot of drops, not sure how it was possible not to notice them.
NoctisVsStar
Member
You better off not playing Duscae, Noctis can't even short air warp
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Ran through the demo and actually was embarrassed playing it, or if anyone saw me playing it for that matter. Hope final build ditches this childish bs throughout the gm.
PensivePen
Member
I approached it like that initially too. I've been messing around with it more and I'm starting to get a better feel for it and enjoying it more, I still have some qualms with it but I am getting a better hang of it now. Seems you can unlock more weapons for the final battle by finding those crystals scattered around, I got one of them, but would like to get the rest to see how much having more options influences combat. Will have to wait 'til tomorrow though.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
To be fair, the first 3 DMC games mapped attack to O, unless you picked the alternate controls.
Reverend Funk
Comfy Penetration
well this was pretty underwhelming. it felt like dumbed down kingdom hearts combat and the controls felt extra stiff, not feeling too confident about the final product but we'll see.
copelandmaster
Member
K...so...
I'm glad I played Duscae.
Because the real battle in this demo..is not a great look at first glance...
The revamped control scheme is not my favorite, at all. It worked better a year ago.
Combat in this demo is a huge case of giveth and taketh away.. abilities that were cool and crucial a year ago are absent for this demo. No Knightsgaurd, apparently. No super attack. You have a shield parry now!... but in order to use it, you have to find the weapon as its hidden in the midst of a hectic battlefield, the shield has to be equipped AND you have to use the blocked stance at the right time (at 30fps...while frames are dropping - worst parry timing ever) ... naw son, that shit needs to be on a hot button, like Knightsguard was. Also, if you restart the encounter, you have to equip it from you menu again
Armiger honestly was a lot cooler a year ago. Much harder to control, but it had cooler effects for the floating weapons. All Noct does now is stand there in place and warp to different weapons, which i suppose is faster than going through an enhanced combo like before, but... eh. Having to grind it back by fighting, instead of waiting for MP to max out, which was relatively quicker by comparison when you did the hide mechanic, sucks now.
Guess what? You can hit Stasis mode during Armiger now if you use up too much MP, instead of at the end! (You could avoid Stasis by not using MP into negative before the Armiger expired in Duscae) How awful. That shit came up with no warning. If this was Duscae, that situation would've killed me. Armiger used to last for a much longer period of time, and MP use for special attacks was FREE. Special attack deck is not in the demo btw.
Switching weapons... was not the revolution people were hoping for. As of right now, nothing really combos at all. Implementation is not smooth.
The way combos worked in Duscae... I kinda want that back as an option. Opening up with a specific attack, holding the button for a combo, ending when you want to. By being free form on the D-pad, everything is simply less smooth. I have to stop everything I'm doing just to switch weapons on the D-pad, rather than moving on to the next part of the combo. Hopefully there's an option for it in the final game.
Controller force feedback was better a year ago.
Aiming projectiles is holy shit awful. I'm talking Dead Rising 1 bad. PRO TIP: L2 aim projectile, R2 Fire projectile, Left stick to Aim (let me move while aiming), aiming is centered with a crosshair in the center view of on the CAMERA not a globe on the floor. Noct is shoulders up, nothing else.Like a 3rd person shooter FFS. It's not that damn hard Square!
The one thing that's better is that warp dodge has more utility one the ground, but warp points are honestly a hell of a lot harder to trigger. Sometimes they're off, sometimes they're on. It's weird, they used to be on all the time whenever the camera looked at them.
Icons for QTEs are less generous and kinda confusing now. :/
Performance is pants. Less pants than a year ago. But still pants. The most performance intensive thing in this demo is the firework, I shit you not.
I'm 50/50 on whether or not the game looks better than it did a year ago.
There are stairs that lead down into the water in the court yard (currently blocked by a metal fence). Future secret area?
BTW, someone get on figuring out how to glitch outside of the demo into the city. K thanks.
I'm glad I played Duscae.
Because the real battle in this demo..is not a great look at first glance...
The revamped control scheme is not my favorite, at all. It worked better a year ago.
Combat in this demo is a huge case of giveth and taketh away.. abilities that were cool and crucial a year ago are absent for this demo. No Knightsgaurd, apparently. No super attack. You have a shield parry now!... but in order to use it, you have to find the weapon as its hidden in the midst of a hectic battlefield, the shield has to be equipped AND you have to use the blocked stance at the right time (at 30fps...while frames are dropping - worst parry timing ever) ... naw son, that shit needs to be on a hot button, like Knightsguard was. Also, if you restart the encounter, you have to equip it from you menu again
Armiger honestly was a lot cooler a year ago. Much harder to control, but it had cooler effects for the floating weapons. All Noct does now is stand there in place and warp to different weapons, which i suppose is faster than going through an enhanced combo like before, but... eh. Having to grind it back by fighting, instead of waiting for MP to max out, which was relatively quicker by comparison when you did the hide mechanic, sucks now.
Guess what? You can hit Stasis mode during Armiger now if you use up too much MP, instead of at the end! (You could avoid Stasis by not using MP into negative before the Armiger expired in Duscae) How awful. That shit came up with no warning. If this was Duscae, that situation would've killed me. Armiger used to last for a much longer period of time, and MP use for special attacks was FREE. Special attack deck is not in the demo btw.
Switching weapons... was not the revolution people were hoping for. As of right now, nothing really combos at all. Implementation is not smooth.
The way combos worked in Duscae... I kinda want that back as an option. Opening up with a specific attack, holding the button for a combo, ending when you want to. By being free form on the D-pad, everything is simply less smooth. I have to stop everything I'm doing just to switch weapons on the D-pad, rather than moving on to the next part of the combo. Hopefully there's an option for it in the final game.
Controller force feedback was better a year ago.
Aiming projectiles is holy shit awful. I'm talking Dead Rising 1 bad. PRO TIP: L2 aim projectile, R2 Fire projectile, Left stick to Aim (let me move while aiming), aiming is centered with a crosshair in the center view of on the CAMERA not a globe on the floor. Noct is shoulders up, nothing else.Like a 3rd person shooter FFS. It's not that damn hard Square!
The one thing that's better is that warp dodge has more utility one the ground, but warp points are honestly a hell of a lot harder to trigger. Sometimes they're off, sometimes they're on. It's weird, they used to be on all the time whenever the camera looked at them.
Icons for QTEs are less generous and kinda confusing now. :/
Performance is pants. Less pants than a year ago. But still pants. The most performance intensive thing in this demo is the firework, I shit you not.
I'm 50/50 on whether or not the game looks better than it did a year ago.
There are stairs that lead down into the water in the court yard (currently blocked by a metal fence). Future secret area?
BTW, someone get on figuring out how to glitch outside of the demo into the city. K thanks.
This wasn't properly communicated and sites use the word demo and you'd think it would be a regular demo with the 4 main characters, but this is something entirely else.
PensivePen
Member
Only the first game did, and only in the US.