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[Elandyll]

According to your sources? What proof do you have of that?

What source do you have that it will? given that the OP repported that at the meeting it was specifically said that the games developped that would be using the specs of the PS4K would indeed work on PS4, just with (obviously) lesser stats...

Between that, and the fact that as the owner of a closed platform Sony gives their conditions to devs and publishers -and- that using common sense it would be downright stupid to abandon a possible 55m userbase by the end of 2016...

You guys are panicking over nothing (and a news that is still not even officially confirmed).

 

[Natheren]

While I was thinking about purchasing a second PS4 for my household this still seems like a bad move on thier part. If the games later in the PS4's life cycle don't suffer too much form what's cut/sacrificed then maybe it won't be too bad but that's gonna be up to developers. Might as well start making consols more like PCs at this point.

 

[Mr. RPG]

Now that I'm level headed about this whole thing, can comment on things fairly now .

That's not what I meant.

Do you think there will be two different versions of the game or one version of the game (that is playable on both consoles)?

 

[Muzicfreq]

What? People buy new iteration of everything that does exactly the same thing as the previous one but a bit better at a higher price why would consoles be outside of this.

Not many had 1080p screens when the PS3 released but a few had and bought the PS3 only for the reason it was a bluray player cheaper then the competion and also played games. The same thing here and it is not a 600$ pricepoint this time. Also me and serveral of my friends own 4k television. Mine cost 4000k but many of my friends bought theirs for 1000-1500. They are becoming cheap. And if you or anyone else cant see the difference you should look into it.

And looking at this thread you guys against this are not exactly silent but the vocal ones. The silent ones probably like with almost everything is fine with it.

PS3 isn't the same thing though. PS3 was a completely new console...
And I have looked into it. buying something like a 4k screen at like 40-50" and then sitting on the other side of the room and then same with 1080p I see 0 difference.

 

[The God]

Then this is pretty pointless since they have all the say in their pricing. They could just pricecut and sell very well still.
They would lose money on every unsold 4k unit

Maybe the sales of the original PS4 + software will allow them to keep a $500 PS4 on the market.

 

[RichiRamjag]

This is really sounding like a PS5 with those massive hardware upgrades.

PS4 owners are gonna be pissed. Glad I waited to buy mine!

I'm fine with it, I've already got $150 worth of GameStop credit to knock that price down.

One thing I will say is these fuckers better revamp this controller with a better battery or I may just keep what I have out of spite.

 

[Killroyskbg]

How do you guys expect games to work?

Will there be two different versions or one version for both consoles?

Do you download 5 million versions of a steam game to see which one works on your computer?

 

[RK128]

What source do you have that it will? given that the OP repported that at the meeting it was specifically said that the games developped that would be using the specs of the PS4K would indeed work on PS4, just with (obviously) lesser stats...

Between that, and tbe fact that as the owner of a closed platform Sony gives their conditions to devs and publishers -and- that using common sense it would be downright stupid to abandon a possible 55m userbase by the end of 2016...

You guys are panicking over nothing (and a news that is still not even officially confirmed).

I think PS VR will be a really issue with this move honestly. Normal PS4 games will be fine (more or less) and I'm sure when backlash happens for lower-preforming games, people will make voice their issues leading to patches coming out to fix that (like what happened a few times so far).

PS VR though, very interested how that plays out :l.

PS4K + PS VR is sorta like getting a high end computer with Oculus or Vive, but more closed in.

Then again, VR experiences so far with PS4 have been positive from what I heard/saw online. So who knows I guess.

 

[Mr.Fox]

And if they tank and turn into Sega2.0
What then? Can we say "Warned ya"
It will sell POORLY. Just because a few gaffers say they would doesnt mean the general consumer is going to rush out and buy one.

2reasons why
Confusion
Price Difference

Look at the Steam machines, it's a confusing due to there being a million different variations and
Price of the original will look far more appealing than the new price which goes back to confusion.

People aren't confused about new iPhones, people aren't confused about new Nvidia GPUs, people are only confused with Nintendo and their stupid product naming.

There is no confusion to be had if they give the new model a clear incremental name., people are used to that pattern.

 

[texhnolyze]

I don't see the problem here as a pro. What if you are the sort of person who mostly likes games that don't push hardware. Smaller scale indie games, puzzle games, etc..

If you are still able to play the games you like 10 years from now and devs know their games will run well, win/win. No reason to cut off old hardware. What is the problem?

As I said, the problem is the advancement in gaming. If we're still stuck in PS2 era this day, I doubt we'll ever see the current surge of 4K gaming and VRs, for example.

I was taking it from the PC perspective where some games can still be supported but not all.

I can always add it to both though.

From what I've heard, the PS5 will have the same architecture etc like the PS4. So BC will be much easier to accomplish.

 

[Mr. RPG]

Do you download 5 million versions of a steam game to see which one works on your computer?

What?

I hope and assume that there would be one version for both consoles, but imagine how much money Sony could make if you had to buy all of your PS4 games (again)?

 

[mitchlol]

It's the unit cost though turning from a 6 year cycle to a 3-4 year cycle. it's essentially more money spent over time than a 6 year cycle.

As I said before, on the previous page... Who is making you buy it? I think the general consensus is that there won't be exclusive games but sacrifices will be made to accomodate the less powerful OG PS4... Everyone always goes on about game play being more important than graphics. So what really is the problem? You will still get to play whatever games are coming out

 

[Muzicfreq]

People aren't confused about new iPhones, people aren't confused about new Nvidia GPUs, people are only confused with Nintendo and their stupid product naming.

There is no confusion to be had if they give the new model a clear incremental name., people are used to that pattern.

PS4k
PS4

New 3DS
3DS

Wii
Wii U

Pick your poison

Also you would be surprised that many people in the silent majority have no clue what GPU names mean

Hell I get lost at times

GTX 750
GTX 750 Ti
ect. for each of their GPUs

AMD.... forget it.. it's a mess

 

[Killroyskbg]

PS3 isn't the same thing though. PS3 was a completely new console...
And I have looked into it. buying something like a 4k screen at like 40-50" and then sitting on the other side of the room and then same with 1080p I see 0 difference.

And now people who have and will buy 4k tv and looking for a player will know (commercials) that the new PS4k will not only play your new UHD content but also is a game console. Or you can buy the old one and a standalone player that will cost more together.

And I meant like going to the doctor and have your eyes checked out unless you have a very big room then look at bigger TV's. Mine is 65" and the difference from HD to 4k is breathtaking.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I'm sorry, but people getting upset over the wording of sacrifices and thinking this is gonna make their ps4 games look worst are killing me. Most multiplats are already making sacrifices on consoles anyhow. Nothing is really changing.

 

[Muzicfreq]

And now people who have and will buy 4k tv and looking for a player will know (commercials) that the new PS4k will not only play your new UHD content but also is a game console. Or you can buy the old one and a standalone player that will cost more together.

And I meant like going to the doctor and have your eyes checked out unless you have a very big room then look at bigger TV's. Mine is 65" and the difference from HD to 4k is breathtaking.

I wear glasses and while YES I can see pixels, if I don't focus on that I don't notice the pixels. just like I think Phone screens are stupid going past 1080

 

[RK128]

That's not what I meant.

Do you think there will be two different versions of the game or one version of the game (that is playable on both consoles)?

Oh, okay. Sorry for the confusion man XD!

Okay, I think we will get one version of every game released post Fall 2016, but PS4K Enhanced Titles will be labeled on the box (like how we have the Amiibo sticker on every game that supports it).

Once the disk is put in, the game will download update file with the PS4K assets will be loaded on the HDD. Then, after that is set up, the game will activate the PS4K mode and the extra features/stuff will be 'unlocked'.

 

[Night Angel]

I'm sorry, but people getting upset over the wording of sacrifices and thinking this is gonna make their ps4 games look worst are killing me. Most multiplats are already making sacrifices on consoles anyhow. Nothing is really changing.

It's more fun to pretend that multiplatform developers aren't already making games for multiple specs and that we'll soon have PoorStation Poorz.

 

[Killroyskbg]

What?

I hope and assume that there would be one version for both consoles, but imagine how much money Sony could make if you had to buy all of your PS4 games (again)?

The system recogniztion what config you have and apply setting based on that and in this case there would be 2 it would have to check between.

And no they might provide a patch for old games to take advantage of the PS4k but otherwise it would play them like any regular PS4. But probably locked/better fps.

 

[Inuhanyou]

No one is forcing you to buy it.... It's a free market, if you don't like the idea of a new PS4 don't buy it... If you don't like iterative upgrades then stick to Nintendo (err 3DS/N3DS) well I guess you are screwed give up playing games and go read books.

Firstly, this country is not a free market...

Secondly, it doesn't matter if we buy it or not. That's just the consumer perspective.

the potential negative consequences to the broader industry just by introducing something like this cant be understated.

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills with people just accepting of this kind of thing without even knowing how Sony would implement such a thing. In a few years i guess MS's original vision for XB1 will have been nothing at all if Sony were to do it...

"Phones have online only games, and many games are online only at this point after all"

 

[vpance]

Looking forward to The Order VR patch.

Kaz sure got bailed out with this for GT. Now we can get a racer with Driveclub level graphics at 60FPS.

Now there'll be plenty of headroom to render a true theater mode with whatever background they can dream up.

Just some random thoughts.

 

[Muzicfreq]

Firstly, this country is not a free market...

Secondly, it doesn't matter if we buy it or not. That's just the consumer perspective.

the potential negative consequences to the broader industry just by introducing something like this cant be understated

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console space or forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

 

[Mister Megative]

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console space or forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

Kill the console industry? Force Sony to back out?

Step back from the edge. Do you hear yourself? There's no way you honestly think PS4k will bring about either scenario. Right?

 

[Glorified G]

This would have been huge if PS4 was a scalable platform like PC and all games would see immediate benefit on a PS4K. There will be need to be big differences (LOD differences as framerate does not sell to the masses) on most, if not all future games on PS4K in order for it to really take off.

 

[RPGam3r]

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console space or forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

Well there are potential positives that we don't understand yet either. I could look at every as being half full too, but I won't bc gaming is already full of negativity.

 

[Mr. RPG]

I don't see any problem with how the current generation is set up.

I know I'm in the minority, but I actually liked how long the previous generation lasted.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console space or forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

Your hyperbole is getting ridiculous. You seem really concerned about Sony's well being. Worst case scenario I see is this being niche product and the original PS4 continues to fly off the shelves at a reduced price.

I don't see any problem with how the current generation is set up.

I know I'm in the minority, but I actually liked how long the previous generation lasted.

The people against this generally seem to not care how outdated their tech is. There are consoles for you guys/gals. Stick with PS4 and Xbox One and stop hoping every one else is held back for your own selfish reasons. Reading some of your comments you don't appear to even have a solid grasp of how this will work.

 

[FATALITY]

PS4k
PS4

New 3DS
3DS

Wii
Wii U

Pick your poison

Also you would be surprised that many people in the silent majority have no clue what GPU names mean

Hell I get lost at times

GTX 750
GTX 750 Ti
ect. for each of their GPUs

AMD.... forget it.. it's a mess

lol and thats why wii u bombed

 

[Mr. RPG]

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console space or forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

This is a bit extreme.

Worst thing that would happen is that Sony would just discontinue the upgraded console and lose a lot of money out of it (if the upgraded console sold poorly).

 

[RK128]

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console space or forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

If anything, Sony only just shoots themselves in the foot like they did with Wonderbook and PS Move. They release things and do a bad job supporting it, so they latter drop it and hope on to the next 'new' thing.

That is what PS VR and PS4K will have to prove wrong. And if they don't do very well? Not really much of a shocker, as they have a history of doing a poor job supporting hardware they release sometimes.

 

[Muzicfreq]

lol and thats why wii u bombed

That and the 2 versions at launch

 

[Inuhanyou]

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console space or forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

One of the biggest issues feels like they are immolating a huge draw of the console space for no reason at all(IE years of knowing developers will target a single box to draw out the power for years) , and bringing things closer to PC unnecessarily, to the point where something like a Steam machine and Sony's ecosystem are separated only by several games you cant get on the other platforms.

The only real reason i can see for Sony to do such a thing is just because they think they can get more money out of charging people for iterations of the same hardware for cheaper than it would have taken them in previous generations to upgrade to the next gen, which i think is no better than MS cutting offline functionality to control consumers playing time and purchases in their own ecosystem.

What i'm saying is, they need to have a REALLY good reason and excuse. And saying "its the future!" and "Apple and phones do it!" isn't going to cut it for me and i can feel safe to say, a lot of other people who probably already bought the PS4...having bought one day one, its really frustrating

 

[CheDominik]

lol and thats why wii u bombed

People seriously believe that?
The WIi U was/is a product nobody wanted, it could have been named Super Awesome Nintendo Machine and it still would have bombed.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

If anything, Sony only just shoots themselves in the foot like they did with Wonderbook and PS Move. They release things and do a bad job supporting it, so they latter drop it and hope on to the next 'new' thing.

That is what PS VR and PS4K will have to prove wrong. And if they don't do very well? Not really much of a shocker, as they have a history of doing a poor job supporting hardware they release sometimes.

PS4K is a new console, not a peripheral device. This is a first and not comparable to anything they have done before.

People seriously believe that?
The WIi U was/is a product nobody wanted, it could have been named Super Awesome Nintendo Machine and it still would have bombed.

There was nothing wrong with the message. Consumers just didn't want it. Same situation as the GameCube, only worse.

 

[Muzicfreq]

People seriously believe that?
The WIi U was/is a product nobody wanted, it could have been named Super Awesome Nintendo Machine and it still would have bombed.

I used to think the name confusion to be a myth... Till I talked to some friends that play on consoles not even know it was a system and not a controller

 

[Osiris397]

I thought Palmer Luckey himself said he knew the PSVR was in devellopment before launching the OR kickstarter?

...Uh yeah, my understanding is that Palmer Lucky was an intern at Sony in the Magic lab and after being exposed to their VR development he decided to start Oculus after his internship was up and he came back to discuss it after left and made some progress.

 

[Mr. RPG]

People seriously believe that?
The WIi U was/is a product nobody wanted, it could have been named Super Awesome Nintendo Machine and it still would have bombed.

I think the name at least had something to do with it. I'm sure you can agree with that.

 

[RK128]

PS4K is a new console, not a peripheral device. This is a first and not comparable to anything they have done before.

Good point.....

Very interested with how everything is going to play out now with a leveled mind :l. This will be a tough thing to announce as people are already pissed off with the announcement. Hell, I was quite bitter for a two weeks over this XD!

If they nail the messaging and the price is right (with upgrade plans for OG owners), it should turn out okay.

 

[thuway]

The reactions in this thread are a good indication that Sony needs to walk the line of PR very carefully. Every Twitter poll I've seen on this topic has a 50/50 split of current PS4 owners willing to upgrade to PS4K - and moreover- an even larger margin of people willing to abandon their PSVR preorders in favor of PS4K.

The waters are murky with people doubting Sony's commitment to the original PS4 and that is something that needs to be handled both internally, externally, and through developer communications. PS4 must be seen as a "beast" of a "value" and the PS4K must be the Saiyan we need, but didn't deserve.

 

[Xander Crews]

nah we're the happy majority, say hell yeah!

 

[CheDominik]

I used to think the name confusion to be a myth... Till I talked to some friends that play on consoles not even know it was a system and not a controller

People who had even the tiniest bit of interest would have known what the Wii U is. People weren't interested to begin with and the name didn't change that.
I am always surprised how people think the average buyer of consoles is a complete idiot who can't do a simple google search.

 

[Muzicfreq]

Imagine how strange then it was talking to my mom who played her Wii alot and is into gaming not knowing the Wii u was an actual console and not a controller...

 

[thuway]

Those of you bringing up nomenclature confusion raise a good point. PS Vita all but failed and a lot of it has to do with the name of the machine. I don't know if PS4K is a good name after all, a PS4-S might be a better candidate seeing as how well the S monicker has worked for Apple in the past.

 

[Chobel]

This
While sure it's sounds like it's fine, the potential of killing the console spaceor forcing sony to back out due to trust concerns is fairly high. They should take the easy route and ride it out till PS5 is due out.

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PS4K is damn good name, if it fails it won't be because of its name.

 

[boredandlazy]

Those of you bringing up nomenclature confusion raise a good point. PS Vita all but failed and a lot of it has to do with the name of the machine. I don't know if PS4K is a good name after all, a PS4-S might be a better candidate seeing as how well the S monicker has worked for Apple in the past.

Apple would sue.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I am always surprised how people think the average buyer of consoles is a complete idiot who can't do a simple google search.

The average consumer isn't bright when it comes to product knowledge. It's not limited to consoles.

 

[Xander Crews]

The reactions in this thread are a good indication that Sony needs to walk the line of PR very carefully.

I think the best strategy is to get Microsoft to announce theirs first.

 

[thuway]

Apple would sue.

Apple isn't the first company in the world to use an "S" branding for a premium model of something. Japan has used it for numerous electronics in the past. It would only be suable if Sony suddenly called it the iPlayStation .

 

[Mr. RPG]

I think the best strategy is to get Microsoft to announce theirs first.

Good thing Microsoft always goes first during E3.

 

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