bananafactory
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Wasn't this briefly scheduled to go up against Civil War? Or am I confusing these with something else?
Wkd BO 0325-2716 - Batman vs Superman (or Grindr hookup gone sideways) bests Bunny
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Yep. Mahvel and dc were playing chicken for a moment.
I believe CW bumped it out of its original spot.
bananafactory
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I know it would never happen but I would have loved to have seen the fallout from that.
illmatic22
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So the fire may rise after all. Welp.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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BOM documents it pretty well: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3838&p=.htm
Basically, an untitled Marvel film was announced for the first week of May. BvS got delayed from its planned July 2015 date (With the way this weekend is going, my god, can you imagine how it'd have performed with summer competition?) to May 2016, and the day after Winter Soldier opened, Disney announced the marvel film was Captain America 3.
Basically, an untitled Marvel film was announced for the first week of May. BvS got delayed from its planned July 2015 date (With the way this weekend is going, my god, can you imagine how it'd have performed with summer competition?) to May 2016, and the day after Winter Soldier opened, Disney announced the marvel film was Captain America 3.
bananafactory
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Thanks!
For all the amusement I'm having with watching this this thing implode, it really is sad. I wanted BvS to be a good film. It really had heaps of potential as a concept, involved some great talent, and they simply blew it. WB needs to make some serious creative changes before they further damage their franchise.
Like, put Justice League on ice, and get that solo Affleck Batman film get going. Drop Snyder and bring forward Justice League later on.
bananafactory
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When does JL start? I keep hearing "a few weeks" but it's already been a week since this came out...how long can they wait to pull the plug?
It begins shooting in April 11th.
bananafactory
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So we should hear something before next weekend then?
I know this is likely underperforming but it's still shocking to me they'd throw away all that preproduction work.
If people on here hadn't enlightened me to the cancelled George Miller one I'd never believe this to be possible
Drew McWeeny vindicated.
BronsonLee
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Pretty sure they bumped BvS because they had an idea that Cap 3 was Civil War (wasn't announced until later)
He was right all along.
MHWilliams
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Shit, his prediction is looking correct, isn't it?
I'm sticking with my random prediction if we're being weird: if Synder goes, James Wan is getting the call.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Is Slayven busy?
bananafactory
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Does he want that burden? Dude has worked hard to rebuild his image. It's one thing to have a role in a film where the blame is usually placed on directors and writers but if he hops in the captain seat and the film doesn't pan out that's going to sting.
Of course, I guess money talks too
MHWilliams
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I already has his Batman script in. I doubt he'd want to jump up to Justice League. If they need an Affleck film, they'll push the solo Batman film forward.
Delay Justice League to 2020, has Del Toro direct Justice League Dark for 2018 release.
They bumped BvS because Winter Soldier proved you could make money in March. They were never actually going to run it against Cap 3.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Of all the choices I've seen to replace Snyder as the architect of the DCEA, ranging from a pipe dream (George Miller) to intriguing (Ben Affleck), James Wan seems like the most likely choice. He's young, seems to enjoy making studio films, has an apparent aptitude for radically different genres, and genuinely seem like a solid director. I could see definitely see him as the holder of the keys to the DC kingdom.
I actually agree. Good call, MHWilliams. We could salvage this franchise yet. Wan is talented and all in favor of if.
I believe someone else suggested Del Toro for Aquaman.
Del Toro dropped JL Dark for Pacific Rim 2 and now that is up in the air.
Wow, that sounds outright prophetic now. Bumping up Affleck's Batman is exactly what they should do, it's the best card they have left to play.
I'm reading this thread and the one at the box office theory forums and we're running in parallel. :lol
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Man, it sometimes makes me nervous that there's so much overlap between BOT and BOGAF now, and that I stupidly decided to use the same username.
Hopefully I don't repeat myself too much, haha.
CaviarMeths
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Fuck, I hope the DCCU doesn't get scrapped. If it does, count on some more of this:
Superman
Superman
Swamp Thing
Superman
Supergirl
Superman
Swamp Thing
Batman
Batman
Batman
Batman
Catwoman
Batman
Superman
Batman
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman
Superman
Batman and Superman
Suicide Squad
DC's film slate 1978-2016.
Superman
Superman
Swamp Thing
Superman
Supergirl
Superman
Swamp Thing
Batman
Batman
Batman
Batman
Catwoman
Batman
Superman
Batman
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman
Superman
Batman and Superman
Suicide Squad
DC's film slate 1978-2016.
Father_Brain
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They won't correct shit if they don't pay for the creative missteps they've made up to this point.
And the MCU ensures that the DCCU will continue in some form. Too much money left on the table otherwise.
obin_gam
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What are the other Swamp Thing? I know only of one
The movie doing well doesn't mean that they don't correct any missteps. Even if they make a small gross they will try to get better reviews the next time around to lower risk for future films in the universe.
MCU does not ensure a DCCU. WB isn't going to take the risk if their big movies bomb and shareholders aren't going to let them if they tried.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Getting critically thrashed and failing to live up to its box office potential (even if it does "succeed" in the sense of being fiscally viable) is going to light fires under peoples arses to implement changes.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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There was a sequel to the Wes Craven movie called The Return of Swamp Thing, it's actually pretty funny and entertaining and better than the original if you're into schlocky B-movies from the 80s. It has nothing to do with the comics but the presence of Sarah Douglas makes it a must watch. There was also a tv show I think but I've never seen it.
Well, they're not firing Snyder. Doing so this close to JL would be a catastrophic fuck up on their parts. Because no one of directorial merit is going to want to come in with less than two weeks notice to shoot the film Snyder was going to shoot, and if they delay it then the JL budget is going to skyrocket (paying off actors, rescheduling, keeping sets etc) which means chance of a profit becomes ambiguous.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I don't think they should fire Snyder. I'm just saying that the terrible reception that BvS got will be causing him and the rest of the creative team to rethink a few things, which imo is a better outcome than "complete failure, studio pulls the plug" that Father Brain seems to want.
Judging by their comments, I think the goal was always for the universe to get brighter when the JL team up. Like them being friends and realising they can protect Earth makes their burdens a bit less - they're not alone any more, ya know?
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Rth has updated and said that 15.5-16 is "wishful thinking" :lol
Dude..... DUDE.
Father_Brain
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That's... pretty much what I was saying.
They need to seriously rethink the whole creative direction and course of action that led them to rush into a two-film-a-year schedule before they could gauge the reception of BvS.
See also: the current 2018 slate, which would have Flash and Aquaman films entirely or mostly in the can before those characters even get significant screen time in Justice League.
Father_Brain
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I for one applaud and encourage Warner Brothers to continue with their dedication to spend hundreds of millions on films which are critically panned and disappoint financially as long as they believe in the vision! Art > Money. I'm just glad I don't own any Warner shares.
You can't help but have some respect for any process that got us Fury Road.
But on the corporate level, it's hard to deny that this has produced more misses than hits: the Nolan trilogy vs. Pan, Jupiter Ascending, BvS, Tarzan, etc.
Discotheque
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i hope tarzan flops, if only because best family movie of the year (BFG) is out the same day and I really don't want that to be eaten by competition.
last script ever written by the ET screenwriter, spielberg in children's film mode, mark rylance voice acting, john williams music god damn. it's too good to be bad imo.
hopefully this BvS doesn't scare WB away from taking chances with big properties. that they allowed Fury Road to happen speaks volumes for them over any other studio. their risk paid off big time with Nolan as well, i love how they give him carte blanche now to finance 150 million+ original blockbusters. Snyder was just the wrong horse to bet on tho.
they will likely reign in their superhero stuff (suicide squad is likely the most original one you see from them in a few years after this review fiasco) but i hope they still let some directors get away with shit.
last script ever written by the ET screenwriter, spielberg in children's film mode, mark rylance voice acting, john williams music god damn. it's too good to be bad imo.
hopefully this BvS doesn't scare WB away from taking chances with big properties. that they allowed Fury Road to happen speaks volumes for them over any other studio. their risk paid off big time with Nolan as well, i love how they give him carte blanche now to finance 150 million+ original blockbusters. Snyder was just the wrong horse to bet on tho.
they will likely reign in their superhero stuff (suicide squad is likely the most original one you see from them in a few years after this review fiasco) but i hope they still let some directors get away with shit.
I for one applaud and encourage Warner Brothers to continue with their dedication to spend hundreds of millions on films which are critically panned and disappoint financially as long as they believe in the vision! Art > Money. I'm just glad I don't own any Warner shares.
What Vision though? It's seems like they have no plan, they just want to catch up with Marvel. Just look at Green Lantern, the movie could have been great (the director is good) but failed miserably.
Wait, what?
Father_Brain
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Wait what, what?
I don't think the DCCU brand has been *irreparably* tainted yet, but I think there's a good chance of, at the very least, Flash/Aquaman/Cyborg outright bombing if Justice League gets a similar reception to BvS.
It's more likely that they "indefinitely delay" those films in favor of Batman/Suicide Squad 2 than that they fire Snyder from Justice League (he can thank the April 11 production start date for that), let alone scrap the DCCU entirely.
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