PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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What a relieve.
GlamFM
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StrongBlackVine
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Extremely doubtful.
redfirm
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both consoles can play all games. see it as a owning a pc and playing a game on a high and mid resolution. you can do what everybody else can, except on ps4 it will look slightly less awesome than the 4.5
Oh we're here. We've got popcorn, beers and we're playing GAF bingo.
GlamFM
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Did I win something yet?
That imo should be reason enough to wait a year to release this PS4K. Maybe that's Microsoft plan though.
No, nothing in a row yet.
StrongBlackVine
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Something better will always be on the way. I don't think Microsoft is waiting either.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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Are they the same people complaining though? You can find outrage in most places online, but it'd be a mistake to assume it's evidence of hypocrisy rather than a multitude of different voices.
Even if they were some of the same voices, perhaps their complaints are rooted in what they perceive to be a lack of optimisation to bring games up to the standards they expected of this generation already. A new, more capable box being out in the market doesn't help them, unless they plan to double-dip, it emphasises those shortcomings and the fear would be it could even mean less time for optimisation on their earlier machines.
It's a risky move, as one way or another it's likely to annoy someone. Some times, more choice isn't met well, particularly when a market's built on strict cycles for new products.
PdotMichael
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The question would be where are all the people from the NX threads who want annual updates and revisions because muh unified platform talk.
Just use the post search function for OsirisBlack.
So those peeps in the video call themselves "The Know" and then go on to say the PS VR display is "vastly inferior" to OR and Vive, and all they state to support this is the pixel resolution? They probably don't believe in subpixels, it's all voodoo...
Then they go on and say PS4K would not be able to raise the resolution for PS VR, so it will probably improve frame rates. Man, you know nothing Jon Snow! If the PS4K would do that, say rendering games the PS4 does in 60 FPS (reprojected to 120 FPS) just in native 120 FPS, you would hardly see much difference. It would feel better, but not a ton, a tiny bit smoother with less reprojection artefacts. Not worth the upgrade at all.
If this happens as speculated, the games will simply look better in VR, using more details, more quality especially in the distance, improve points where the PS4 has to compromise. This would make it feel like you had higher resolution, and then you could see the display is just fine.
Then they go on and say PS4K would not be able to raise the resolution for PS VR, so it will probably improve frame rates. Man, you know nothing Jon Snow! If the PS4K would do that, say rendering games the PS4 does in 60 FPS (reprojected to 120 FPS) just in native 120 FPS, you would hardly see much difference. It would feel better, but not a ton, a tiny bit smoother with less reprojection artefacts. Not worth the upgrade at all.
If this happens as speculated, the games will simply look better in VR, using more details, more quality especially in the distance, improve points where the PS4 has to compromise. This would make it feel like you had higher resolution, and then you could see the display is just fine.
Of course. But usually tech develops and evolves in bell curves during ~3-4 years and PS4 and Xbox One were released at the latter half of their innards tech curve and to have a mid generational soft upgrade and don't refresh it seems a wasted opportunity.
Blackmarsh63
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You don't know this . Stop speculating on something that might not even see the light of day.
I reads as i5-2500 + GTX 970 ballpark performance. Should be decent for quite a while.
I think Sony is being smart about this. The market is huge and the consumers are very different (from kids room to luxury home theatre). It makes sense to offer both a premium and a basic product.
I like how everyone is unhappy, but everyone wants one.
I think Sony is being smart about this. The market is huge and the consumers are very different (from kids room to luxury home theatre). It makes sense to offer both a premium and a basic product.
I like how everyone is unhappy, but everyone wants one.
Good morning good sir.
i summoned a wild Gopher.
May need a master ball to capture some info
THE:MILKMAN
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I would be a bit disappointed from a gaming perspective if this turns out it is 'just' a doubling of CUs/higher clock and a shrink to 14nm of the current APU.
It would be a band aid and a missed opportunity. In this case I would prefer it if this was only a slim that had UHD playback.
Someone said yesterday: "go big or go home". I agree.
Pretty sure it's seeing the light of day and he can speculate all he wants.
PdotMichael
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Which also leads to less space for production optimization. There is no way to bring the PS4 how it is to the <$200 price point.
All rumors, insiders and articles about this state the same as that post though. This is speculation until officially revealed, but it's not baseless.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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At a guess, they're currently replying to phishing e-mails about lottery wins, having sworn never to be duped by fakes again.
stan423321
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I think it's a little like paid Skyrim mods on Steam, people aren't necessarily hyper opposed to the idea itself but implementing it on a platform which implicitly did not make them expect that is considered bad.
jimbobsmells
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The same can be said for anyone thinking that both consoles won't be able to play all games. Let's just close this whole thread down then, the entire thing is based on speculation.
FrozenCell
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this chart is for events like death, PS4K coming out is more like a birth and should be celebrated as such
Kübler-Ross stages for whiners
THE:MILKMAN
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The word I would use right now is surreal.
Uh why? No one said a new ps4 not incoming but another thing it's to bet a guaranted major upgrade. Could be just a new model with some humble improvement.
Tatsumi Oga
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I really don't mind that consoles might be heading into this direction, but why now already? And for God's sake why Sony? They absolutely don't need it at all. Look at games like Uncharted 4,Horizon and games that are already out, PS4 hasn't nearly reached its limit and look at the sales. I don't like this new very unexpected development and like everyone, thought that it would only be Nintendo with new hardware.
I was actually planning on buying a PS4 soon right in time for Uncharted 4, but now I am going to wait. I can get a used PS4 for like 245 euros but with these new developments I'm going to wait.
I was actually planning on buying a PS4 soon right in time for Uncharted 4, but now I am going to wait. I can get a used PS4 for like 245 euros but with these new developments I'm going to wait.
THE:MILKMAN
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I absolutely believe a new version of the PS4 is coming. It is the order and way the info is coming out that is surreal to me.
Probably just me?
Ah no no. I misunderstood. Yup I agree with you. Not has sense for them release an upgraded model now. Maybe when sales start to drop but now could be really a useless risk.
jimbobsmells
Member
Not just you.
FrozenCell
Member
any pre-order links for eurozone?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
It might just be future-proofing.
The following is complete speculation from someone who doesn't have a deep well of technical knowledge on game development: perhaps the ease of development on the PS4 means that we're seeing close to max potential in games like UC4. Whereas the Cell showed games getting better over time as developers got the most out of it, the familiarity of x86 and the tool set means UC4-quality is close to the peak, and perhaps Sony want to ensure they have a platform where games continue to look even better for the next 3 or 4 years.
Insane Metal
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Lol the damn thing hasn't even been officially announced yet.
Console are underpowered but there is no limit to optimisation if developers want. The only reasons why sony should try something like this are 2, imo:
1. VR it's damning expensive and ps4 it's not enough powerful to provide a decent graphic for VR game
2. they simple want to gain more money as possible and they want to push the PS brand trying to emulate the smarthphone business
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Yah but these PS4 owners are treating as if its the PS4 death
Darth Ghandi
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I don't mind this. I won't be among the first diving into it since I don't have a 4k TV. But once i uppgrade the PS4,5 will be next on my list.
People are buying 4k TVs now and it sound natural that they would want games and media that take advantage of said TV.
People are buying 4k TVs now and it sound natural that they would want games and media that take advantage of said TV.
If the rumours are true - you won't need a 4K TV to see the improvement.
family_guy
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I imagine since it's still the same apis being used then it's really not that big a deal. They already develop on more powerful PCs before scaling it down to consoles anyway.
Not just you. Kotaku and WSJ articles were already odd, in terms of such info is usually held very close to the chest until a formal announcement. Now this flood of insiders corroborating and adding more tidbits makes this even more unheard of. Not complaining though, just observing.
THE:MILKMAN
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I really don't want to be rude to the OP as he is verified and I do believe it is happening. I just can't correlate very vague whispers at GDC to SKU/price/launch date 7+ months in advance.
I think the NX fake has had a major affect on me.......... Apologies to the OP and insiders in advance.
StrongBlackVine
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Possible, but that goes against everything being said.
I would expect a UHD drive in the thing, it feels like a future proofing version of the PS4 that will help ride out til the real PS5 around 2020 or so. Plus Sony want to try and push that media even if we're all transitioning to streaming, true 4K UHD requires a hefty connection speed and still lacks behind reading it off of a disc, for now.
That's why I think it's a controlled leak to get the message right come E3.