In this equation Nolan is Batman but decides to stay in Gotham and leave Snyder Supermsn be.
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In this equation Nolan is Batman but decides to stay in Gotham and leave Snyder Supermsn be.
It's basically impossible to say what the best course of action is without seeing the script for Justice League and how good or bad it is.
If that script is in a similar state as BvS was, I think you have to reboot that whole production.
If the script seems good, then I'd think about proceeding with production with heavy producer involvement making sure Snyder doesn't fuck anything up. Might even think about replacing him with some mercenary director if you can find someone decent who is willing to not want to throw the script out and start fresh.
Immediately coming out of production on Justice league, you put all your best minds on the solo Batman movie, so that in the worst case scenario where Justice League is a failure, you immediately have a solid followup as a palate cleanser 12 months later.
Going forward if you want to make the DCCU thing work, you NEED to find a top level producer like Feige that can see the bigger picture and manage everything so that it all fits into a cohesive whole. As opposed to whatever garbage producers and execs were forcing Snyder to shoehorn into BvS to pass as setup for the Justice League.
If that script is in a similar state as BvS was, I think you have to reboot that whole production.
If the script seems good, then I'd think about proceeding with production with heavy producer involvement making sure Snyder doesn't fuck anything up. Might even think about replacing him with some mercenary director if you can find someone decent who is willing to not want to throw the script out and start fresh.
Immediately coming out of production on Justice league, you put all your best minds on the solo Batman movie, so that in the worst case scenario where Justice League is a failure, you immediately have a solid followup as a palate cleanser 12 months later.
Going forward if you want to make the DCCU thing work, you NEED to find a top level producer like Feige that can see the bigger picture and manage everything so that it all fits into a cohesive whole. As opposed to whatever garbage producers and execs were forcing Snyder to shoehorn into BvS to pass as setup for the Justice League.
echoshifting
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And every time he does, it's for Lois.
Sure, in the semantics battle, I'll say you're right. The disaster of a situation for WB is the crux of the discussion and so what if the word "bomb" is being thrown in incorrectly.
Can Crusher
Banned
I think the next OT's title should be "NOT A RECORD!"
Yeah, that's the distinction. The second weekend bombed. But the massive global opening precludes the run overall from that characterization. It if opened to < $100m and then had this tanking on top of it, sure. It's a disappointment, and a total implosion outside of the opening four days, but we should reserve bombs for films that actually tank from the get go, otherwise the term doesn't really mean anything.
superdeluxe
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Damn, I thought maybe it could hold a decent 63% drop. Looks like it's not just the critics that didn't like it.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Fucking burst out laughing at this.
Nah. A disaster is if SS and JL are terrible.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
The movie's budget isn't the only expense. According to this you have budget, releasing costs both foreign and domestic, home entertainment costs and other overhead.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I guess for me the bigger question is whether or not the "Knightmare" was really a nightmare, or a vision of the future they're trying to build towards. Is a version of what Bruce saw actually where they're trying to go? Does Superman come back to life only to be Darkseid's Darth Vader?
Nobody's gonna wanna see that shit. Doesn't matter how badass Bruce & Diana are, or even Barry & Arthur. If you're building to a climax wherein you have to wait on Superman to turn back to the good in the final act, you're done. Because people don't like this Superman, and they don't wanna go to a movie with him as the bad guy. This is as close as he's ever gotten (even moreso than Superman III) and people are just rejecting it.
It's a "bomb" in the sense that it might blow up the Justice League movie universe before it has a chance to really begin. It's a bomb in the sense that it could taint any future movies starring Gadot as Wonder Woman or Affleck as Batman or Cavil as Superman. It's bad enough to have people wondering if they will reboot the whole thing before moving forward.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The entire planet looked like a desert hellscape. How the fuck would you even bounce Superman back from causing that?
I still can't believe GAF had a hand in the crystallization of the immediate legacy of a major Hollywood blockbuster. Truly, we are the kingmakers on all things not gaming-related.
The Knightmare is clearly much further in the future though. Batman and Superman both have entire armies working for them, and the world is post-apocalyptic. If anything, that's the future Justice League works towards preventing. There's no way they'll make an entire movie about that setting because it would be like making a Terminator film set entirely in the Skynet future.
Hooooly shit wow, poor dude.
It's not all hollywood accounting though, we know with relative certainty the cut that exhibitors and foreign distributors take, and you really do need that kind of money to make a profit on the theatrical run.
Of course there are other revenue streams to offset some costs, co-marketing, product placement, then home video and TV rights, so the theatrical run is not the end-all, but a movie is generally not considered a success if it doesn't make money in the theatrical run.
Yeah, agreed.
But in the context of box office discussion, that's not what the term means.
Brothers Grimsby was a bomb.
Razgriz-Specter
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Mercenary director + Bruce Timm & Dini as oversight and the vision going forward.
I don't think you have to send a signal. Some projects just don't pan out as expected. WB was trying to make a good movie. Good movie equals more money.
And Mad Max performed horribly, sadly.
Like Mad Max? You mean like the movie that cost Warner $150 million to make, and got a grand total of a whooping $153 million in domestic box office? Wow, what a great signal.
True enough. Just an overly popular word I suppose. Now back to the discussion on BvSghazigate.
Father_Brain
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This sort of makes sense insofar as Batman is concerned, but not when you get to Justice League and the films beyond it. The success of the Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg films will no doubt be heavily contingent on how that film is received... and the former two will already be in the can by the time JL opens. Heck, they'll probably both be in production by the time Wonder Woman opens (Flash definitely will, at least), so they can't even wait to see how their first DCCU film unrelated to Superman or Batman performs.
Batman is at least more of a proven box office draw than any of those characters, even if it's difficult to say exactly where the ceiling for a Batfleck solo film is.
I wish I lived in the alternative universe that you live in where Mad Max did well. Mad Max was a pretty big box office disappointment. It was a very expensive film.
Yep. That's a signal how fans can let down a movie, but then again none of the Mad Max's are Box Office studs to begin with.
WB lost money on Mad Max.
Although, the home market could save it a bit.
Man, that sucks. Did it at least make a good amount on DVD?
Already Torn
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It sends a message that nobody thinks this is a good movie/this is a bad direction to go in at least.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
$15.3M, 81% drop-off gotdam
CosmicGroinPull
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Err... then: If you make an okay movie and market the hell out of it, audiences will come, but if you make a crap movie, they probably won't.
AquaWateria
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Is it really that hard for people to get Superman right? I mean I'm a bit lukewarm to his character but I still understand there are qualities to his character in the comics that they can use to their advantage. However, we get a completely dull and emo Superman that's wooden as fuck in the movie. He looks like a emotionless robot.
What do people have against Superman?
What do people have against Superman?
superdeluxe
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Push back JL and fast track a Solo Batfleckmovie
Wouldn't be bad, but he is busy. What is Justin Lin doing after Star Trek?
Honestly the previews made zero mention that the original writer and director of the original Mad Max trilogy was doing the movie. The previews made it look like another hack director doing another tired remake of an old classic. All they had to do was tell us it was a heralded return of the original series creator within the trailer. If I didn't do my own research, read up on it and read some reviews, I would have had no idea.
Studio failure to properly market their movie IMO.
$51.5M in DVD/Blu-ray sales. It did OK but not great.
Can Crusher
Banned
Bomb is just a word, the reality is the connection it implies.
- Albert Einstein.
I think Bomb is meant for anything that completely misses the mark it set up for itself. In this case it doesn't nee to be a financial disaster, in order to be a disaster.
Number one Mad Max didn't do well at first is that it's a tired IP. I had absolutely zero interest until the good WOM came out.
That's what McWeeney said would happen. And he seems to be right so far.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
A good amount of Mad Max's 150mil was tabulated over the course of close to a decade, and those costs were likely absorbed over that time, as well. It's sorta like how Superman Returns cost 200mil to make because it included costs incurred while trying to develop Burton's film, and then Abrams/McG's film. Those costs ended up getting absorbed/offset by the company's revenue over that time, while still being included in the budget totals for the film.
Hollywood accounting and all that shit.
And while I wanna say the version of the future Flash is talking about should be a worst-case scenario (it should really just be nothing BUT a dream sequence, and not a vision of any sort of future at all) I can't quite put it past Snyder now. I could have before, but this is a guy whose biggest successes have all been apocalyptic in nature. Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen. Justice League is going to deal with an apocalypse, too. Apokolips, even! It just seems within the realm of possiblity to me that one of his "cool" ideas for Superman (which he's already sorta exercised) is to have him running roughshod over that apocalypse
I'm not saying that version in the Knightmare is what we're going to be building towards. But a version definitely seems to be on the table, as evidenced by Flash screaming at Bruce how right he was about Clark. It might not be that exact scenario, but a mutation of it seems to be where he wants to go. And if that's the case, I don't see that going over any better than Batman v. Superman did.
Hollywood accounting and all that shit.
And while I wanna say the version of the future Flash is talking about should be a worst-case scenario (it should really just be nothing BUT a dream sequence, and not a vision of any sort of future at all) I can't quite put it past Snyder now. I could have before, but this is a guy whose biggest successes have all been apocalyptic in nature. Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen. Justice League is going to deal with an apocalypse, too. Apokolips, even! It just seems within the realm of possiblity to me that one of his "cool" ideas for Superman (which he's already sorta exercised) is to have him running roughshod over that apocalypse
I'm not saying that version in the Knightmare is what we're going to be building towards. But a version definitely seems to be on the table, as evidenced by Flash screaming at Bruce how right he was about Clark. It might not be that exact scenario, but a mutation of it seems to be where he wants to go. And if that's the case, I don't see that going over any better than Batman v. Superman did.
Father_Brain
Banned
Bwahahahahaha
Oh, man, if I had a fuckin' dollar for every time someone (usually, but not always, one of the persecuted OTC refugees) insisted that there was no possible way that a Superman/Batman film could fail to break $1B worldwide.
Bwahahahaha.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
And also, I see the arguments for people trying to redefine what a bomb is, but I don't agree with any of them.
This film is an amazing disappointment. It didn't bomb. You start diluting the term for specious reasoning, it's going to become meaningless pretty quick.
Or rather, it kinda already has BOMBA LOL
This film is an amazing disappointment. It didn't bomb. You start diluting the term for specious reasoning, it's going to become meaningless pretty quick.
Or rather, it kinda already has BOMBA LOL
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
The audience needed something to cheer them up after watching this joyless movie =/
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