Wkd BO 03•25-27•16 - Batman vs Superman (or Grindr hookup gone sideways) bests Bunny

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Honestly the previews made zero mention that the original writer and director of the original Mad Max trilogy was doing the movie. The previews made it look like another hack director doing another tired remake of an old classic. All they had to do was tell us it was a heralded return of the original series creator within the trailer. If I didn't do my own research, read up on it and read some reviews, I would have had no idea.

Studio failure to properly market their movie IMO.

Mad Max movies are really hard to market tho. The trailers and teasers were amazing! They did a ton of buzz, but the movie isn't for everyone. They are kind of artsy Action movies and that doesn't appeal to the same mass market as most action movies do. And Tom Hardy isn't exactly Mel Gibson or a bonafide boxoffice star like Leo is.
 
Number one Mad Max didn't do well at first is that it's a tired IP. I had absolutely zero interest until the good WOM came out.

Not for me. Tired IP had nothing to do with it. Star Wars is a tired IP too.

For me, I had ZERO interest until I found out the original director did this movie too. I thought for sure enough time had passed that this was some hack director trying to recapture the original's magic.

But we're getting off topic. Back to BvSghazigate!
 
Bomb is just a word, the reality is the connection it implies.

- Albert Einstein.


I think Bomb is meant for anything that completely misses the mark it set up for itself. In this case it doesn't nee to be a financial disaster, in order to be a disaster.

It's semantics really and I've said too much about it already, but redefining words out of their contextual meaning bugs me. What you described is a disappointment, which is what BvS box office run is. Bombs are more about spectacular failure and losing money.

People calling this a bomb are trolling or misusing the term in this context. If it makes $850m it's the most successful bomb in box office history.
 
The problem I see is, as others have mentioned, more what this means for the spinoff films than BvS itself.

So if this only does 800-850m, what the fuck do you think AQUA MAN or CYBORG are going to do? Especially when you consider Ant-Man did just 180 domestic/519 WW as a property under the massive Marvel/Avengers umbrella, and that film was also well received by both audiences and critics.
 
A good amount of Mad Max's 150mil was tabulated over the course of close to a decade, and those costs were likely absorbed over that time, as well. It's sorta like how Superman Returns cost 200mil to make because it included costs incurred while trying to develop Burton's film, and then Abrams/McG's film. Those costs ended up getting absorbed/offset by the company's revenue over that time, while still being included in the budget totals for the film.

There's one huge difference here. The Mad Max budget being tabulated over the decade were all being paid to and spent by the same director, producer, and production company that worked on and released the eventual film. From Warner's perspective, it's basically Miller's running tab, which is not a good comparison for pretty much any other movies of this sort where costs are added up. This isn't just Hollywood accounting, and it is my understanding that Warner and Miller are having a private battle behind the scenes over financial issues arising from the film's inability to recoup the costs at the box office.
 
And also, I see the arguments for people trying to redefine what a bomb is, but I don't agree with any of them.

This film is an amazing disappointment. It didn't bomb. You start diluting the term for specious reasoning, it's going to become meaningless pretty quick.

Or rather, it kinda already has BOMBA LOL

It's not a bomb but it could bomb the the JLA plans in some ways.

I'm more concerned what this does to the Capes genre, yeah, CW has millions of trailer views and X-Men/Squad have hype but did BvS really botch things up?
 
I wonder how Ryan Reynolds and the folks at Fox are feeling right now compared to the folks at WB. They must be tap-dancing with giddy glee.

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I wonder how big the total budget was for the entire BvS project, as the film is absolutely marketed everywhere here and you even have the stuff like those free skins in the Arkham Knight game. They invested massively on this film.
 
A good amount of Mad Max's 150mil was tabulated over the course of close to a decade, and those costs were likely absorbed over that time, as well. It's sorta like how Superman Returns cost 200mil to make because it included costs incurred while trying to develop Burton's film, and then Abrams/McG's film. Those costs ended up getting absorbed/offset by the company's revenue over that time, while still being included in the budget totals for the film.

Hollywood accounting and all that shit.

And while I wanna say the version of the future Flash is talking about should be a worst-case scenario (it should really just be nothing BUT a dream sequence, and not a vision of any sort of future at all) I can't quite put it past Snyder now. I could have before, but this is a guy whose biggest successes have all been apocalyptic in nature. Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen. Justice League is going to deal with an apocalypse, too. Apokolips, even! It just seems within the realm of possiblity to me that one of his "cool" ideas for Superman (which he's already sorta exercised) is to have him running roughshod over that apocalypse

I'm not saying that version in the Knightmare is what we're going to be building towards. But a version definitely seems to be on the table, as evidenced by Flash screaming at Bruce how right he was about Clark. It might not be that exact scenario, but a mutation of it seems to be where he wants to go. And if that's the case, I don't see that going over any better than Batman v. Superman did.

Giant spiders and polar bears aren't cheap
 
The silver lining here and this once again sends a signal to the studios that if you want a good box office then make a good movie. The audience will come, like Mad Max, like Deadpool, like Kingsman. Hell even Ant-Man had a 3.15 multiplier.

The signal should be you don't need $250mil to make a good comic book movie
 
Bwahahahahaha

Oh, man, if I had a fuckin' dollar for every time someone (usually, but not always, one of the persecuted OTC refugees) insisted that there was no possible way that a Superman/Batman film could fail to break $1B worldwide.

Bwahahahaha.

I said multiple times that it was a lock. I mean it's freakin Batman and Superman in the same film with Wonder Woman making a big cameo. The film had zero competition for weeks and Jungle Book was the biggest film down the line.

Batman has always done well at the BO. MoS nearly grossed 700M on his own with mediocre reviews. We live in a world where every Transformer film at this point grosses 1B and so does every POTC film.
 
This excerpt from Hollywood Reporter made me laugh.

Some industry observers suggest a decline of 70 percent is acceptable. They note that blockbuster Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows — Part 2 actually tumbled 72 percent in its second weekend, while The Twilight Saga: The New Moon slipped 70 percent. Both movies were fan driven and hence front-loaded.

:lol Has it really come to this! Admittedly, they do note later on that other, less insane observers recognize how bad this drop is.
 
Bobby employed the word Bomba.

I've sarcastically vomited it forth onto the bib of this fine forum to point out how dumb it sounds multiple times, Vinny!

Same with ending sentences with "lol"

Or preceding them with "uhhhhhh"

This excerpt from Hollywood Reporter made me laugh.

Yeah, I compared that "acceptable" line to people agreeing to the Redeker Plan in World War Z before. It jumped out at me too. I just imagined solemn old men in a darkened room slowly nodding. "We'll accept it. Enact contingency 4"
 
It's semantics really and I've said too much about it already, but redefining words out of their contextual meaning bugs me. What you described is a disappointment, which is what BvS box office run is. Bombs are more about spectacular failure and losing money.

People calling this a bomb are trolling or misusing the term in this context. If it makes $850m it's the most successful bomb in box office history.

This movie has a different set of goals than 99.9% of the industry though. It would be like if the next CoD only sold 8 million lifetime.

That would likely alter all of Activision's future plans for the series, and this sort of result will most certainly impact the future of the DCCU.

I just feel like disappointment isn't a fitting word when you're talking about movies/games/etc with so much riding on them failing to meet goals so spectacularly.
 
It's semantics really and I've said too much about it already, but redefining words out of their contextual meaning bugs me. What you described is a disappointment, which is what BvS box office run is. Bombs are more about spectacular failure and losing money.

People calling this a bomb are trolling or misusing the term in this context. If it makes $850m it's the most successful bomb in box office history.

Well of course, but I think nobody is gonna call it a Bomb in a John Carter kind of way. People really just want to make fun of it. I think there's enough ground here to say "Bombafleck" and shit.

I don't think that's "trolling", and Bomb by default isn't exactly a serious word. I mean, a bomb is meant to kill people, so I guess that's pretty serious.
 
Man, I still haven't seen BvS either. The comicbook nerd in me keeps pushing to go see it but I have such limited free time, do I really want to spend 3hrs of my Saturday off seeing a movie I probably wont enjoy? Blech. Me and my first world problems.
 
It's 1st to 2nd weekend drop is in '50 shades of grey' territory

Harry Potter and deathly gallows pt another close one. 169 million first weekend, 47 million 2nd weekend, 72% drop.

50 shades 85 million, 22 million 2nd weekend, 73.9% drop.

BvS has a good chance of having the largest drop of all time for movies making more than 50 million
 
Man, I still haven't seen BvS either. The comicbook nerd in me keeps pushing to go see it but I have such limited free time, do I really want to spend 3hrs of my Saturday off seeing a movie I probably wont enjoy? Blech. Me and my first world problems.
I'm just gonna Netflix it. With these legs the blu Ray should be out in June.
 
This movie has a different set of goals than 99.9% of the industry though. It would be like if the next CoD only sold 8 million lifetime.

That would likely alter all of Activision's future plans for the series, and this sort of result will most certainly impact the future of the DCCU.

I just feel like disappointment isn't a fitting word when you're talking about movies/games/etc with so much riding on them failing to meet goals so spectacularly.

Bad comparison. Titanfall and Destiny are better comparisons. And I think Titanfall did disappoint EA in similar ways. But they're continuing with the franchise anyway. CoD is an established franchise and sales goals are based on expectations of it doing at least in the same ballpark as the last one. BvS is the sequel to a Superman movie which didn't perform that great to begin with, and DC films have never really done great outside of Nolan's Batman trilogy.
 
Man, I still haven't seen BvS either. The comicbook nerd in me keeps pushing to go see it but I have such limited free time, do I really want to spend 3hrs of my Saturday off seeing a movie I probably wont enjoy? Blech. Me and my first world problems.

As someone who actively hated this movie, who can't even remember the last time he saw a movie this bad...you should see it. Everybody else can wait for netflix, but comic book fans should see this movie and decide for themselves where they land on it. It's just so divisive.
 
I said multiple times that it was a lock. I mean it's freakin Batman and Superman in the same film with Wonder Woman making a big cameo. The film had zero competition for weeks and Jungle Book was the biggest film down the line.

Batman has always done well at the BO. MoS nearly grossed 700M on his own with mediocre reviews. We live in a world where every Transformer film at this point grosses 1B and so does every POTC film.

Not unreasonable, but it seems you and a lot of other people overestimated the competence of Snyder and WB.

A *good* BvS would easily break a billion. I don't think anyone doubts that much.
 
BvS did 166M OW because it's BvS. I could have directed it and it would have opened big. Now that the hype has died, it is up to positive WoM to carry the film. Too bad it hardly has any.
 
I am now left with shitty marvel movies and even shittier DC movies. What hurts me more about DC is I actually give a damn about Superman and Batman but now between Snyder's piss poor direction and Marvel's piss poor one liners this is probably the worst time for super hero fans.
 
Number one Mad Max didn't do well at first is that it's a tired IP. I had absolutely zero interest until the good WOM came out.
Yeah, I didn't think it would be good either. The sequel is gonna be insane coming off of Fury Road. And Fury Road did pretty well considering I'm sure a lot of people thought it would be another one of those forgettable soft reboots.
 
Bad comparison. Titanfall and Destiny are better comparisons. And I think Titanfall did disappoint EA in similar ways. But they're continuing with the franchise anyway. CoD is an established franchise and sales goals are based on expectations of it doing at least in the same ballpark as the last one. BvS is the sequel to a Superman movie which didn't perform that great to begin with, and DC films have never really done great outside of Nolan's Batman trilogy.

BvS would be comparable to Titanfall if WB decided to release BvS exclusively in Regal and AMC theaters only. BvS got worldwide-to-the-day release as widely as possible.

EA I'm sure figured that the game would have done better without the exclusive deal and knew they could carry on with the franchise to success.
 
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