Batman V Superman’ Takes A Dive With -70% Second Weekend

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En-ou said:
what are you talking about? they had her fucking photograph which she needed to hack luthor security to retrieve.
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Yes...so?

I think she has about two minutes of screentime or something before she appears in the fight? Most of her story is told throughout Batman's PoV.

I'm not saying what she did was wrong or bad. But that she does so little in the movie and has so little screen presence that I barely consider her a character worth having an opinion about.

EDIT: I considered sarcasm for a moment, but I was confused as it didn't seem to be super related to my comment. Sorry. :(

Henkka said:
To be honest, I've not read the comics. So I don't really know how the Justice league works in them.

But because the tone is so light in Marvel movies, I can buy Black Widow fighting alongside Thor in a way I can't buy Batman fighting alongside Superman in the dark and gloomy BvS. See what I mean? Maybe there's a way to handle it better, but in the fight against Doomsday, Batman was kinda useless next to Supes and WW.
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Yeah, I agreed, Batman was terrible in the fight. Depending on the comic is a lot stronger, but I think they could have very easily made him more purposeful in the fight.

Now, Batman is supposed to be a brilliant tactician. He could lead the team. There were these weird moments like when Lois Lane is the one that goes for the spear or the final coordinated attack on Doomsday without any communication whatsoever. Have Batman act as the leader. Set up an ambush for Doomsday, communicate how you are going to trap him to get him with the spear. Go get the fucking spear instead of letting Lane do it because "you are busy". Use smoke grenades to disorient Doomsday. Whatever. He can be the one calling the shots and creating a strategy, making him useful in the fight.
 
Henkka said:
To be honest, I've not read the comics. So I don't really know how the Justice league works in them.

But because the tone is so light in Marvel movies, I can buy Black Widow fighting alongside Thor in a way I can't buy Batman fighting alongside Superman in the dark and gloomy BvS. See what I mean? Maybe there's a way to handle it better, but in the fight against Doomsday, Batman was kinda useless next to Supes and WW.
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Nah he
hit him with that kryptonite gas
 
Prophet Steve said:
Yes...so?

I think she has about two minutes of screentime or something before she appears in the fight? Most of her story is told throughout Batman's PoV.

I'm not saying what she did was wrong or bad. But that she does so little in the movie and has so little screen presence that I barely consider her a character worth having an opinion about.
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(I think it was sarcasm)
 
Dash_Riprock said:
Oh and before anyone asks:

Thor 2, AoU, and Iron Man 3 are all far better than this.

Its not even close.
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You're full of shit. Sorry.

Anyone who admits to liking Iron Man 3 with its ass pull of a Mandarin and later claims any sort of authority on 1) comic books, 2) movies, or 3) the crossing of genres, is full of shit.
 
MisterHero said:
You're full of shit. Sorry.

Anyone who admits to liking Iron Man 3 with its ass pull of a Mandarin and later claims any sort of authority on 1) comic books, 2) movies, or 3) the crossing of genres, is full of shit.
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What this film did to Lex Luthor was on par with what that film did to the Mandarin.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
Eisenberg was even worse than I thought. Someone literally saw Carey in Batman Forever and said "Yeah, we need more of that!".
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I said the exact same thing. It was a total Riddler impression. Damn shame they couldn't get Cranston, but maybe he read that script and noped out of it.
 
MisterHero said:
You're full of shit. Sorry.

Anyone who admits to liking Iron Man 3 with its ass pull of a Mandarin and later claims any sort of authority on 1) comic books, 2) movies, or 3) the crossing of genres, is full of shit.
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*shrugs*

I agree with Dash. Iron Man 3 was great.
 
Discotheque said:
Iron man 3 >>>>> BvS >= AoU > watching rats procreate > Thor 2
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What fever dreams are some of y'all having with this Iron Man 3 shit? lol..Lawd!
Henkka said:
To be honest, I've not read the comics. So I don't really know how the Justice league works in them.

But because the tone is so light in Marvel movies, I can buy Black Widow fighting alongside Thor in a way I can't buy Batman fighting alongside Superman in the dark and gloomy BvS. See what I mean? Maybe there's a way to handle it better, but in the fight against Doomsday, Batman was kinda useless next to Supes and WW.
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Did you miss when she smirked tho? You missed it..
 
MisterHero said:
You're full of shit. Sorry.

Anyone who admits to liking Iron Man 3 with its ass pull of a Mandarin and later claims any sort of authority on 1) comic books, 2) movies, or 3) the crossing of genres, is full of shit.
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I'm not a Marvel comic fan, never have been. I understand why fans hate the Mandarin reveal.

But me? I thought it was funny.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
So I just finished the film:

Got to hand it to Snyder, I didn't think it was possible to make a 2.5 hour film feel both plodding and rushed at the same time, yet that is exactly what BvS is.

Every single criticism was spot on.

I do NOT understand why so many love Batfleck. He looks the part, but the script gave him NOTHING to work with

Gal Gadot was also passable at best as WW. Again, script gave her nothing.

Action scenes were nowhere near good enough to help this trash.

Eisenberg was even worse than I thought. Someone literally saw Carey in Batman Forever and said "Yeah, we need more of that!"

The ending. LMFAO at the ending.

3/10. Said score might go lower. The more I think about this shit, the angrier I get.

Supes deserves better.

Batman deserves better.

DC fans deserve better.
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Yup, this is about where I was as well. That's the sad thing about all this. Enormous squandered opportunities with potentially excellent material. But now you at least understand all the Martha references!

I graded Gal and Ben on the curve, the curve being their material, and thought they were fine. I'd go to an Affleck Batman movie.
 
Alienous said:
What this film did to Lex Luthor was on par with what that film did to Mandarin.
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No. Lex was competent.

1) He manipulated 2 heroes into fighting each other.
2) He murdered politicians that got in his way.
3) He killed the hero he wanted to kill.

IM3 Mandarin turned out to be nobody and fell asleep during his own exposition dump.

You are objectively wrong.
 
I feel bad for the cast, similar to how I felt after watching the Star Wars prequels. They did what they could, but they had nothing to work with.
 
MisterHero said:
You're full of shit. Sorry.

Anyone who admits to liking Iron Man 3 with its ass pull of a Mandarin and later claims any sort of authority on 1) comic books, 2) movies, or 3) the crossing of genres, is full of shit.
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Lmao what?

I'm not a comics fan but that seems ridiculous.
I really liked IM3
 
Prophet Steve said:
The Wonder Woman praise baffles me too. She does so little in the movie, I barely consider her a character. Now if you would swap out all the Lane scenes for more Wonder Woman...
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Yeah wonder woman wasn't great at all. I feel like the movie is so bad that people are just reaching for anything with that one.
 
En-ou said:
what are you talking about? they had her fucking photograph which she needed to hack luthor security to retrieve.
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"Hey, doesn't this lady in this pic look like you?"

"I know, right? It's crazy. What a coincidence!"

Problem solved.
 
Discotheque said:
Iron man 3 >>>>> BvS >= AoU > watching rats procreate > Thor 2
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As problematic as AoU was, it's hardly that much of a trainwreck IMO. Agreed on Thor 2 though.

MisterHero said:
You're full of shit. Sorry.

Anyone who admits to liking Iron Man 3 with its ass pull of a Mandarin and later claims any sort of authority on 1) comic books, 2) movies, or 3) the crossing of genres, is full of shit.
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In relation to the comics the Mandarin was a misstep, but within the context of the film itself it was an idea that the film fully committed to, and as much as hardcore comic fans hated it, it wasn't terrible within the context of the film itself.

Iron Man 3 is a better Shane Black film than it is an Iron Man film, I'll admit, but I find it to be a solid film by itself, even with the changes it made from the comics. From a fan perspective it's more disappointing since the marketing material hinted so heavily towards the classic Mandarin and a darker-toned film, which would've been great, but for what it's worth I'm happy with the film we got.

I don't mind changes from the comics to the movies, as I always found the MCU for example to be its own contained universe within the Marvel canon, sort of like what the Ultimate universe use to be to the comics, with its own storylines and specifics. However, it's all about the execution of these changes. BvS has a lot of changes that work out great, but a lot of others aren't that strongly executed and/or don't make sense within the context of its contained universe.
 
MisterHero said:
You're full of shit. Sorry.

Anyone who admits to liking Iron Man 3 with its ass pull of a Mandarin and later claims any sort of authority on 1) comic books, 2) movies, or 3) the crossing of genres, is full of shit.
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god i love how people are still mad about this
 
Kin5290 said:
"Hey, doesn't this lady in this pic look like you?"

"I know, right? It's crazy. What a coincidence!"

Problem solved.
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Or "That's odd, let's meet up and discuss it".

Two hours later Wonder Woman punches through his head. Problem solved.
 
Manmademan said:
pretty sure the MCU didn't invent that.

you can easily find the same thing in Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin. You can find them in the Fox movies. You can find them in the movies Sony made with the marvel license.

The Nolan films were the EXCEPTION. not the rule. Having the entire DCU cinematic universe try to ape them is why you end up with the disaster that was BvS.
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You're not actually selling comedic elements as a good thing with any of that tbh.

Consider with BvS we see the flipside of a superhero fight in a metropolis and the massive amount of death and destruction that is a resultant and the human tragedy through Bruce Waynes eyes.

Then consider how the same is treated in The Avengers. Afterwards, they all go for Shawarma. *cue laugh track*
 
Prophet Steve said:
The Wonder Woman praise baffles me too. She does so little in the movie, I barely consider her a character. Now if you would swap out all the Lane scenes for more Wonder Woman...
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Doesn't this tell everything about the other characters? I actually thought the same. I think Wonder Woman was the most interesting character in the whole movie. And she was barely shown or given dialogue. The other characters were that bad.
 
Alienous said:
What this film did to Lex Luthor was on par with what that film did to the Mandarin.
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I don't really mind this Lex Luthor too much tbh. I wish it wasn't a rehash Joker and we would have an intimidating, intelligent, possibly physically strong character as we have had very little or none of those (Bane would count had they not screwed him up so much in the end).

Although there are plenty of weird things. He stutters during the speech but seems completely unnerved during all his wacky conversations in the rest of the movie. His plans are...unnecessarily intricate. He lacks complete motivation.

And...why would he think Doomsday is a good idea when his main concern in the movie is that Superman acts like a God and has too much power. His idea is to release the devil which he wasn't even planning on controlling.

How was that possibly a good idea? What benefit does he get out of that?

AmaterasuOni said:
Doesn't this tell everything about the other characters? I actually thought the same. I think Wonder Woman was the most interesting character in the whole movie. And she was barely shown or given dialogue. The other characters were that bad.
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Maybe. But some people seem really positive about her which I think is weird. Even Alfred might have more screen time and/or lines.
 
Discotheque said:
AoU was somehow the better paced and realized movie but it didn't have the highs of batman for me. I'll defend that opening 15-20 minutes to the death
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Surely not the Bat origin

I'll give you the destruction of Metropolis stuff, that was hands down my favorite part of the movie
 
kobu said:
I never said people don't genuinely like her in the movie. The amount of praise she's getting just seems surprising to me.
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If a lot of people like her, of course she's going to get a lot of praise. There's really nothing going on beyond that.
 
Imagine still being this fucking mad at the Mandarin twist three years later

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Dash_Riprock said:
So I just finished the film:

Got to hand it to Snyder, I didn't think it was possible to make a 2.5 hour film feel both plodding and rushed at the same time, yet that is exactly what BvS is.

Every single criticism was spot on.

I do NOT understand why so many love Batfleck. He looks the part, but the script gave him NOTHING to work with

Gal Gadot was also passable at best as WW. Again, script gave her nothing.

Action scenes were nowhere near good enough to help this trash.

Eisenberg was even worse than I thought. Someone literally saw Carey in Batman Forever and said "Yeah, we need more of that!"

The ending. LMFAO at the ending.

3/10. Said score might go lower. The more I think about this shit, the angrier I get.

Supes deserves better.

Batman deserves better.

DC fans deserve better.
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Sums it up nicely..i still need to rewatch some Batman Begins and even back to the 90's with batman & robin to wash this away fucking zack snyder.
 
Arnie7 said:
People complain that Snyder doesn't get Superman as a character but when Marvel completely shit on their villain they have to be called out on it too.
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i think DC completely flubbing superman through 3 movies across 2 reboots is a somewhat bigger deal than marvel making a c-list villain into a pretty funny joke
 
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