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[Affeinvasion]

So is this now the highest grossing Ayn Rand film of all time?

 

[Chariot]

You can't undo this movie or MoS so it's kind of too late for anything.


if's won't matter

WE JUST NEED TO FLY AROUND THE EARTH SO FAST IT TURNS TIME BACKWARDS! We can fix this, we must fix this!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

And the fact people go 'Cap is what Superman should be' just tells me they have no idea who Superman is. Shit, Cap admits he did fucked up stuff in the war solely so other people wouldn't have to. If you dislike MOS Superman for killing Zod, how'd you possibly think MCU Cap is a good example of what a Superman should be?

Here's my frustration with this childish and odd DC/Marvel divide..

Why half the crowd who says "DC isn't doing what Marvel is doing. Don't compare them." insist on comparing any "failure" with Marvel movies is mind numbing. How'd we just go from Thor to Captain America? Who cares what some person on the internet says? Broccoli is bullshit..no one here is changing my mind. Same with BvS. Until I watch that Blu-ray, it remains a 5/10..I don't care which side is yelling the loudest.

Unless we've actually got cash money invested in these companies, the sharpening of knives against those who have a different opinion on this, or any movie dedicated to men in tights, is just embarrassing..

Btw, as of yesterday, I've spent $24 (+ whatever my girl spent in popcorn and soda) on this movie..

 

[Bobby Roberts]

The "Marvel vs DC" thing pretty much falls apart entirely once you realize your favorite writers and artists have worked for both companies, and likely on your favorite characters in each lineup.

It's literally the same people telling the same stories with characters that largely exist to mirror one another based on whichever variation managed to get successful first.

 

[captainnapalm]

you misunderstand me. I said he represents an ideal, not that he's actually stuck in the 40s.
The actual 40s/50s were much different- America never was that, but its a pleasant fiction.

Superman/Clark Kent was raised by midwestern farmers in middle of nowhere Kansas. These are exactly the kind of people that buy into and worship that kind of Idealized version of America, and Idealized version of humanity. It literally shapes who he is, and you can't have a version of superman that doesn't acknowledge this.

I get the appeal of people who would rather have Clark be Bruce, but not "getting" this fundamentally misunderstands what Superman is, and why he's motivated to do the things he does.

I get that, and Superman's Smallville upbringing definitely is a big part of his character. But what I don't like is seeing that as the only part. Many people just want Superman to be the ultimate regular nice guy, where it almost doesn't matter that he's an alien or has Godlike powers. Really he's just a Kansas farmboy all grown up. Personally, that to me is not an interesting take.

Superman is at its heart a science fiction concept, and if you really consider the concept I reckon there's a lot more there than just a guy representing an old school idealized version of America.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Here's my frustration with this childish and odd DC/Marvel divide..

Why half the crowd who says "DC isn't doing what Marvel is doing. Don't compare them." insist on comparing any "failure" with Marvel movies is mind numbing. How'd we just go from Thor to Captain America? Who cares what some person on the internet says? Broccoli is bullshit..no one here is changing my mind. Same with BvS. Until I watch that Blu-ray, it remains a 5/10..I don't care which side is yelling the loudest.

Unless we've actually got cash money invested in these companies, the sharpening of knives against those who have a different opinion on this, or any movie dedicated to men in tights, is just embarrassing..

Btw, as of yesterday, I've spent $24 (+ whatever my girl spent in popcorn and soda) on this movie..

What sharpening?

I love CA: TWS. It's a far better film than BvS, which I also really liked. But that doesn't mean I want to see a Superman with the feel of Captain America. And I'm a DC guy, but I have no bias - good is good, regardless of the comic-book company.

 

[WrenchNinja]

It was definitely better.

I still don't get the schism among some of the bigger film fans here regarding Iron Man 3. Most of the people who think it's a terrible movie unabashedly praise almost everything else Shane Black's ever had his hands on. This goodwill extends all the way to fucking MONSTER SQUAD.

Yet all that goodwill is willing to get chucked to the side, despite the fact Iron Man 3 is pretty much 100% Shane Black through and through, because the Mandarin isn't used like he was in the comics. And the Mandarin in the comics isn't all that fucking great to begin with. What Black did with him is the best thing that's ever happened to him.

Probably cause Ellis' Extremis is one of the best Iron Man stories and it's entirely wasted here, and KillianMandarin is just plain boring.

Hard to say it's the best when he's way better in Iron Man Armored Adventures.

 

[TheOMan]

Deserved.

Give the movies to bruce timm.

Agreed on both points.

I'm very salty that they messed this up.

 

[NumberTwo]

That's because Snyder has no idea what Superman is. He's read a bunch of buzzwords and tag lines for Superman and assumed that he gets the character. The title of his first movie "Man of Steel" - doesn't factor into anything - it's just another tagline Snyder associates with Superman.

He wants to talk about the character's journey, but he doesn't understand the hero's journey . There is no arc to Snyder's Superman, no progression; only vague references and shameful pandering to illusory allegories that Snyder thinks represent the character..

He gives no motivation for Superman to become the titular character. The reason Superman in the comics (pre new 52 anyways) is the way he is comes down to his upbringing. He is a literal god raised amongst the most kind and humble people imagineable. The Kents of old never tried to treat him any differently than any other person, and instilled in him a desire to do right by his fellow man. He is a man born with great power, but in many adaptations authors do their best to show the limitations of his power. He might be faster than a speeding bullet, but even that isn't enough to save his adoptive father in many continuities. He can't be everywhere at once, can't right every wrong-and that's exactly the point. Even as a god, he has limitations. He recognizes them, however, and strives to not only be a protector but a guide for mankind. He inspires them to seek the best attributes within themselves.

The reason Superman is often called upon in times of Crisis (infinite and otherwise), is for those situations where even our best may not be enough. Mankind will often face challenges and outside threats it cannot overcome alone, but Superman will not overcome them alone. Men and women, super-powered and ordinary, fight alongside him against threats so overwhelming the average person cannot fathom them. But it is his ideal, his guiding example that inspires other heroes and ordinary citizens. People can shit on the DCAU all they want, but the Bruce Timm Superman cartoon illustrated this very clearly with the character of Dan Turpin. I won't spoil anything, but everyone should watch the episode in question.

Snyder is wrong, flat out wrong, on what makes Superman such an icon. It clearly shows in both Man of Steel and BvS.

Such a good post. Thanks.

 

[onipex]

I think the current estimate is that due to marketing costs, they need to hit $800M to at least be profitable, which should still happen with ease.

Speaking of costs though, something else people don't often bring up is how expensive these past two DC films have been. MoS had a $225M budget, which is $5M more than the budget for Avengers. The 2nd most expensive phase 1 movie is Iron Man 2 at $200M, the other four films cost $140-150M.

That's a good point.Marvel is good at keeping thier cost down.I think at least one of Spiderman movies cost even more than BvS.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Probably cause Ellis' Extremis is one of the best Iron Man stories and it's entirely wasted here, and KillianMandarin is just plain boring.

Hard to say it's the best when he's way better in Iron Man Armored Adventures.

I'm not willing to regard a very good Shane Black movie as a piece of shit just because it doesn't adhere closely to Warren Ellis' run on the book. I haven't watched the Iron Man cartoon you're talking about, so you got me there.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Couldn't happen to a better movie

This. My God a bad movie's legs getting cut off!! :O

Really wanna see how this affects the DC lineup going forward.

I doubt we can expect $1bn at the box office now, which was surely WB's ball park expectations.

 

[Discotheque]

I get that, and Superman's Smallville upbringing definitely is a big part of his character. But what I don't like is seeing that as the only part. Many people just want Superman to be the ultimate regular nice guy, where it almost doesn't matter that he's an alien or has Godlike powers. Really he's just a Kansas farmboy all grown up. Personally, that to me is not an interesting take.

Superman is at its heart a science fiction concept, and if you really consider the concept I reckon there's a lot more there than just a guy representing an old school idealized version of America.

They can do whatever they want with the concept. It's the execution that falls flat. Superman has been great on film as the idealized hero. The attempt at grounding him is admirable but it was boring as hell and wasn't given much in the way of depth either. Thats why id prefer the former. It's easier to do and harder to fuck up.

They can go ahead with a realistic superman but snyder sucks at giving the idea much weight outside of a few good ideas and clips.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

*Lois/spear plot- Frustratingly stupid. I assume what every makes this works is on the cutting room floor, but it is still stupid because of ....

The only assumption you need to make it work is that Alfred who we know was watching/listening to the whole thing sent a text message to lois to go grab the spear again. Very minor issue that people have made a lot of fuss about.

*Superman/Lois I'm in danger mental connection- Yes, Superman is known for saving Lois, but there isn't even comic book logic to explain the three times he comes to her rescue in this film.

Not a mental connection, the implication is that Superman is keeping tabs on Lois and even in his exile didn't stray too far from her. It's slightly creepy, but not a plot hole.

*Location?- Metropolis is just across the harbor from Gotham? Would it not have been simpler to just have Bats work from a Wayne satellite building in Metropolis?

Metropolis and Gotham City being on opposite ends of a bay has a precedent in the fiction before. Their relative location is inconsistent at best, but Wiki has a rundown:

Metropolis is frequently depicted as being within driving distance of Gotham City, home of Batman. This happens, for example, in the three-issue 1990 mini-series of World's Finest Comics by Dave Gibbons, Steve Rude, and Karl Kesel. Like Metropolis, Gotham's location has never been definitively established; however, it is usually treated as also being a major city. The distance between the two cities has varied greatly over the years, ranging from being hundreds of miles apart to Gotham and Metropolis being twin cities on opposite sides of Delaware Bay, with Gotham City in the location of Cape May Point, New Jersey and Metropolis in the location of Lewes, Delaware.[12][18]

In the TV series Lois and Clark, when Lois finds out about Superman's secret identity and yells at Clark about how he's been hiding his secretly being Superman, he responds, "A little louder Lois — I don't think they could hear you in Gotham City". In the TV series Smallville, Linda Lake, a columnist for the Daily Planet, once boasted that she could see Gotham City from her new office.[19] In Superman: The Animated Series Bruce Wayne is shown flying to Metropolis, indicating that the two cities have at least some distance between them.

In Bronze Age stories that depicted Metropolis and Gotham City as twin cities, the Metro-Narrows Bridge was said to be the main route connecting Metropolis to Gotham City.[13][20] Stated as being the longest suspension bridge in the world,[21] the Metro-Narrows Bridge is likely based on the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, which stretches between Staten Island and Brooklyn in New York City.

In The World's Greatest Superheroes newspaper comic strip, a 1978 Sunday strip shows a map of the east coast of the United States; the map places Metropolis in Delaware and Gotham City across Delaware Bay in New Jersey, with the Metro-Narrows Bridge linking the two cities.[22] A similar map appeared in The New Adventures of Superboy #22 (October 1981), with Smallville shown within driving distance of both cities (in post-Crisis comics, Smallville was officially relocated to Kansas). 1990's The Atlas of the DC Universe also places Metropolis in Delaware and Gotham City in New Jersey.[23]

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I get that, and Superman's Smallville upbringing definitely is a big part of his character. But what I don't like is seeing that as the only part. Many people just want Superman to be the ultimate regular nice guy, where it almost doesn't matter that he's an alien or has Godlike powers. Really he's just a Kansas farmboy all grown up. Personally, that to me is not an interesting take.

Superman is at its heart a science fiction concept, and if you really consider the concept I reckon there's a lot more there than just a guy representing an old school idealized version of America.

You can still do sci-fi. But this is still your center piece

 

[inky]

Ellis' Extremis wasn't very good imo. It was a turning point in the comics sure, but not the kind of story you can fit into the MCU with the character you established.. To me that's actually the kind of thing DC would do if they had Iron Man, and it would end up as dry and charmless as MoS.

 

[Manmademan]

I get that, and Superman's Smallville upbringing definitely is a big part of his character. But what I don't like is seeing that as the only part. Many people just want Superman to be the ultimate regular nice guy, where it almost doesn't matter that he's an alien or has Godlike powers. Really he's just a Kansas farmboy all grown up. Personally, that to me is not an interesting take.

Superman is at its heart a science fiction concept, and if you really consider the concept I reckon there's a lot more there than just a guy representing an old school idealized version of America.

I agree. that's an incredibly simple take on it. Comic superman is conflicted, he has self doubt, he has his weak moments, and yes he's gone as far as to kill someone when there were no other options.

He represents an ideal, and struggles to maintain that ideal- but that doesn't mean he's perfect, and reading about "perfect" heroes (if any exist, i can't think of any mainstream ones) isn't actually interesting.

Cap is more or less in the same boat- though "old cap" was grating to read at times. Less american ideal, more gran torino.

 

[Ashby]

That's because Snyder has no idea what Superman is. He's read a bunch of buzzwords and tag lines for Superman and assumed that he gets the character. The title of his first movie "Man of Steel" - doesn't factor into anything - it's just another tagline Snyder associates with Superman.

He wants to talk about the character's journey, but he doesn't understand the hero's journey . There is no arc to Snyder's Superman, no progression; only vague references and shameful pandering to illusory allegories that Snyder thinks represent the character..

He gives no motivation for Superman to become the titular character. The reason Superman in the comics (pre new 52 anyways) is the way he is comes down to his upbringing. He is a literal god raised amongst the most kind and humble people imagineable. The Kents of old never tried to treat him any differently than any other person, and instilled in him a desire to do right by his fellow man. He is a man born with great power, but in many adaptations authors do their best to show the limitations of his power. He might be faster than a speeding bullet, but even that isn't enough to save his adoptive father in many continuities. He can't be everywhere at once, can't right every wrong-and that's exactly the point. Even as a god, he has limitations. He recognizes them, however, and strives to not only be a protector but a guide for mankind. He inspires them to seek the best attributes within themselves.

The reason Superman is often called upon in times of Crisis (infinite and otherwise), is for those situations where even our best may not be enough. Mankind will often face challenges and outside threats it cannot overcome alone, but Superman will not overcome them alone. Men and women, super-powered and ordinary, fight alongside him against threats so overwhelming the average person cannot fathom them. But it is his ideal, his guiding example that inspires other heroes and ordinary citizens. People can shit on the DCAU all they want, but the Bruce Timm Superman cartoon illustrated this very clearly with the character of Dan Turpin. I won't spoil anything, but everyone should watch the episode in question.

Snyder is wrong, flat out wrong, on what makes Superman such an icon. It clearly shows in both Man of Steel and BvS.

Great post but I've never once seen anyone shit on the DCAU. Is there a contingent here that doesn't like it? It was damn near perfect.

 

[The Artisan]

is that normal for movies of this caliber?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

What sharpening?

You stated you were "a DC guy" earlier today. Sorry if I've read your comments incorrectly. I just wanna watch movies. Like most people, Batman/Superman are gawd-tier..everyone else is trying to get to their level. I want to see these guys on film until I'm dead and gone. I've got no room for bias..

 

[shintoki]

Good old IM3. Which is still the best marvel movie to date. The Twist was great, the script screamed Black, and it was the best character piece in any of the films. I love the villain too. One that Stark created.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

is that normal for movies of this caliber?

nope

 

[Tevious]

I had no desire to see this film since it's inception. With the exception of Batman, I always found DC characters to be too corny and having a DC "Universe" series of films is a mistake, IMO. Some characters might work on their own, but together they're not very appetizing. As a fan of the Nolan Batman films, having a Batman VS Superman movie is like mixing Fruit Loops in my Cheerios. I also hate rebooting franchises just as soon as they're over (like Amazing Spider-Man did), so they either need to give Batman a rest for a while or continue the Nolanverse. And it doesn't have to be with JGL, if they could get Bale back before he ages too much, it's maybe possible to do a sequel after The Dark Knight and before he "retires".

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Great post but I've never once seen anyone shit on the DCAU. Is there a contingent here that doesn't like it? It was damn near perfect.

No one in their right minds would shit on the DCAU. Some of the later dtv stuff is not up to snuff, but the vast majority of their tv stuff is still great.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

You can't undo this movie or MoS so it's kind of too late for anything.


if's won't matter

.

They already set the tone. And from the sounds of it, Squad is ultra grimdark as well. Even if Snyder leaves (which he should), the tone won't change.

This is just DC bringing their manifesto of violence into their movies.

You forget this company thought the way to beat Marvel was to rape a popular character.

 

[element]

Good old IM3. Which is still the best marvel movie to date. The Twist was great, the script screamed Black, and it was the best character piece in any of the films. I love the villain too. One that Stark created.

Because it took place during Christmas?

MoS had a $225M budget, which is $5M more than the budget for Avengers.

Putting it like that where the hell did all the money go? I know that RDJ and Johansson are paid very well to be in the MCU, but compare it to BvS, the only heavy hitter in terms of actors is Affleck, and he is no where pulling what RDJ did. So BvS had a higher budget but the actors cost was lower. Snyder loves to burn money.

so they either need to give Batman a rest for a while or continue the Nolanverse. And it doesn't have to be with JGL, if they could get Bale back before he ages too much, it's maybe possible to do a sequel after The Dark Knight and before he "retires".

Bale and Nolan are gone. That page has turn and never coming back. Also Affleck is back at Bruce Wayne/Batman in a couple months with Suicide Squad as he makes a cameo in that.

 

[The Artisan]

nope

oh, wow. that's a pretty serious drop, then.

but blockbuster movies with poor reception are no strangers to success. pirates of the caribbean, divergent, twilight, transformers, chipmunks, night at the museum...

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

That's because Snyder has no idea what Superman is. He's read a bunch of buzzwords and tag lines for Superman and assumed that he gets the character. The title of his first movie "Man of Steel" - doesn't factor into anything - it's just another tagline Snyder associates with Superman.

He wants to talk about the character's journey, but he doesn't understand the hero's journey . There is no arc to Snyder's Superman, no progression; only vague references and shameful pandering to illusory allegories that Snyder thinks represent the character..

He gives no motivation for Superman to become the titular character. The reason Superman in the comics (pre new 52 anyways) is the way he is comes down to his upbringing. He is a literal god raised amongst the most kind and humble people imagineable. The Kents of old never tried to treat him any differently than any other person, and instilled in him a desire to do right by his fellow man. He is a man born with great power, but in many adaptations authors do their best to show the limitations of his power. He might be faster than a speeding bullet, but even that isn't enough to save his adoptive father in many continuities. He can't be everywhere at once, can't right every wrong-and that's exactly the point. Even as a god, he has limitations. He recognizes them, however, and strives to not only be a protector but a guide for mankind. He inspires them to seek the best attributes within themselves.

The reason Superman is often called upon in times of Crisis (infinite and otherwise), is for those situations where even our best may not be enough. Mankind will often face challenges and outside threats it cannot overcome alone, but Superman will not overcome them alone. Men and women, super-powered and ordinary, fight alongside him against threats so overwhelming the average person cannot fathom them. But it is his ideal, his guiding example that inspires other heroes and ordinary citizens. People can shit on the DCAU all they want, but the Bruce Timm Superman cartoon illustrated this very clearly with the character of Dan Turpin. I won't spoil anything, but everyone should watch the episode in question.

Snyder is wrong, flat out wrong, on what makes Superman such an icon. It clearly shows in both Man of Steel and BvS.

Snyder has been quoted time and time again where he makes it clear that he has no respect or love for superheroes, and is living out his power male fantasy instead of telling a story. And judging by Sucker Punch, he thinks a male power fantasy IS story. He's a Gamergator with a camera.

This is the guy that said superhero comics need more "killing and fucking".

 

[LastGamer84]

No one in their right minds would shit on the DCAU. Some of the later dtv stuff is not up to snuff, but the vast majority of their tv stuff is still great.

For some reason some of the people who like Snyder's take on Superman seem to think the DCAU is childish by comparison...not realizing that the animated series/films handle the character in a far more mature manner at times.

 

[Alienous]

I hope WB don't think the Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg are enough to get butts in seats.

People have already seen the better half of the Justice League. I don't imagine the prospect of seeing the other three on the big screen being all that exciting.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

You can still do sci-fi. But this is still your center piece

Yes. You absolutely cannot escape the centrality of Smallville and the Kents!

 

[Bobby Roberts]

.

They already set the tone. And from the sounds of it, Squad is ultra grimdark as well. Even if Snyder leaves (which he should), the tone won't change.

This is just DC bringing their manifesto of violence into their movies.

You forget this company thought the way to beat Marvel was to rape a popular character.

Again, the idea that either company is all that different from the other is some carny pro-wrestling bullshit. It's largely artificial.

Same editors
Same writers
Same artists
Same superheroes, they just have different names
Same stories
Same forays and ventures into "adult" realms

These two companies are trying to reach the same audience, so any differences between the two are cosmetic at best. It's an exercise in branding. Coke vs Pepsi. Bud vs Coors. Marlboro vs Camel.

But the idea that one company does things differently than the other has historically been proven to be bullshit. It's a matter of which one succeeds at something slightly newer first. Then the other does their own version of it until they stumble on their own innovation - and then the first does their version of THAT until they innovate, so on and so forth.

Marvel vs. DC is kind of a dumb conceit. It sells funnybooks, and keeps people talking about the product. It's not really rooted in any reality.

 

[Snaku]

Superman/Clark Kent was raised by midwestern farmers in middle of nowhere Kansas. These are exactly the kind of people that buy into and worship that kind of Idealized version of America, and Idealized version of humanity. It literally shapes who he is, and you can't have a version of superman that doesn't acknowledge this.

BvS does acknowledge this, it's the whole point of the

Spoiler

suicide bombing

, and the resulting conversation between him and Lois. It shatters his idealized view of humanity and America.

 

[Altered Juice]

Well, the poor reviews and mixed word of mouth are finally taking their toll on the second weekend ticket sales for Warner Bros.’ Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

This morning, BvS woke up from a hangover to learn that they’re on their way to a -70% weekend drop of $50.7M

That fall off is one of the steepest for a superhero film, notching out the -69% posted by 20th Century Fox’s X-Men Origins: Wolverine. All this despite the fact that Bruce and Clark have the Friday-Sunday period all to themselves, without any new wide threats from the other majors plus the added benefit of 30% K-12 schools off, and another 9% colleges on break, per ComScore

 

[captainnapalm]

I agree. that's an incredibly simple take on it. Comic superman is conflicted, he has self doubt, he has his weak moments, and yes he's gone as far as to kill someone when there were no other options.

He represents an ideal, and struggles to maintain that ideal- but that doesn't mean he's perfect, and reading about "perfect" heroes (if any exist, i can't think of any mainstream ones) isn't actually interesting.

Cap is more or less in the same boat- though "old cap" was grating to read at times. Less american ideal, more gran torino.

Yeah, and if he's going to be perfect, at least have that be informed by all aspects of his character.

I like the 'whole fish out of water/man out of time' thing with Cap. That he represents this old fashioned ideal. I feel like they should have done even more with it.

 

[Chococat]

I actually had issue with this, because I always thought Metropolis to Gotham was like NYC to Chicago. But I found a map and they are pretty much across from each other.

Thanks for the map. I always assumed the NY/Chicago locations. That map is still world breaking for me. If Superman has always been just across the harbor, why hasn't he helped straighten out Gotham over the years? That close- Gotham would be like a suburb to Sups. DC heroes only care about the North East of America?

 

[DeathyBoy]

You stated you were "a DC guy" earlier today. Sorry if I've read your comments incorrectly. I just wanna watch movies. Like most people, Batman/Superman are gawd-tier..everyone else is trying to get to their level. I want to see these guys on film until I'm dead and gone. I've got no room for bias..

I do consider myself a DC guy, but I go and see almost every comic-book film. Hell, I did a Masters in Advanced Scriptwriting and my final portfolio consisted of a pitch/outline/multiple script drafts for a Cyclops film. I'm a big X-Men fan (comics and films) and rank CA: TWS as my favourite comic-book film (even with the dodgy third act.) It's just that I relate more to DC characters for the most part. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy MCU films, just means that I'd love DC to provide a counter-balance. And part of that means not doing what Marvel's done.

Mainly because competition breeds better films. If Marvel has a monopoly, why should they deviate from their formula of quips and aerial battles? If DC provides a challenge, Marvel will have to make films which dare to be different and unique which'll force DC to do likewise. It's the wrestling fan in me, who enjoyed wrestling the most when WCW was at war with WWF every Monday night. They forced each other to be better because they were direct rivals.

 

[- J - D -]

Probably cause Ellis' Extremis is one of the best Iron Man stories and it's entirely wasted here, and KillianMandarin is just plain boring.

Not better or worse, just different. So different as to take the screen version of the character in the complete opposite path as the comic version, and that's okay. It's more interesting than if they mimicked the original story anyway.

 

[Wingfan19]

Thanks for the map. I always assumed the NY/Chicago locations. That map is still world breaking for me. If Superman has always been just across the harbor, why hasn't he helped straighten out Gotham over the years? That close- Gotham would be like a suburb to Sups. DC heroes only care about the North East of America?

Cause that's the way it is. There's no rhyme or reason for half the shit in comics. DC actually has more heroes spread out across the country though. Flash is in Central City and Keystone City which are in the midwest. There's some in Detroit, Florida, and Chicago. Star City is on the West Coast along with Coast City. National City, Hub City, etc are also spread around the country.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Hard to say it's the best when he's way better in Iron Man Armored Adventures.

Lol what the fuck is this?

 

[UberTag]

Far too many people are posting in this thread saying they actively went out of their way to purchase tickets and watch this movie DESPITE the fact that they knew it would be bad in advance.

You know, you could have just not gone to see it. Have some self-control. If anything, a 70% drop isn't large enough. Didn't Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 drop 72% after its $169 million opening weekend?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Again, the idea that either company is all that different from the other is some carny pro-wrestling bullshit. It's largely artificial.

Same editors
Same writers
Same artists
Same superheroes, they just have different names
Same stories
Same forays and ventures into "adult" realms

These two companies are trying to reach the same audience, so any differences between the two are cosmetic at best. It's an exercise in branding. Coke vs Pepsi. Bud vs Coors. Marlboro vs Camel.

But the idea that one company does things differently than the other has historically been proven to be bullshit. It's a matter of which one succeeds at something slightly newer first. Then the other does their own version of it until they stumble on their own innovation - and then the first does their version of THAT until they innovate, so on and so forth.

Marvel vs. DC is kind of a dumb conceit. It sells funnybooks, and keeps people talking about the product. It's not really rooted in any reality.

DC has a far greater hold over the manbaby target demographic, and they know it.

 

[E the Shaggy]

For those wondering why Snyder decided to jump into the DC Universe, this video has your answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc

Spoiler

He saw Star Wars once and ..............?

 

[S-God]

The reason why the movie or the current cinematic universe doesn't work has already been explained by multiple users. It clearly doesn't have a heart, sense of progression or continuity nor does it understand the heroes.

Also, the reason a movie like Transformers does well despite low ratings is because it typifies what a popcorn movie can be. It has big explosions and spectacle with humor laced in and is understandable to the lowest common denominator. None of which can be said about BvS, which seems to have been made based on a whim by Snyder who looked at a couple of pages from all the popular comics of these iconic heroes and decided to haphazardly make a movie.

It is even more annoying that so many interesting plot-lines have been wasted in one single attempt! Can't comprehend what blind faith WB have in Snyder.

 

[NumberTwo]

Thanks for the map. I always assumed the NY/Chicago locations. That map is still world breaking for me. If Superman has always been just across the harbor, why hasn't he helped straighten out Gotham over the years? That close- Gotham would be like a suburb to Sups. DC heroes only care about the North East of America?

A common plot justification is that Bruce flat-out tells Clark to stay the hell out of his city. It works in most circumstances because that just the right amount of pettiness that he would engage in.

 

[Alienous]

Thanks for the map. I always assumed the NY/Chicago locations. That map is still world breaking for me. If Superman has always been just across the harbor, why hasn't he helped straighten out Gotham over the years? That close- Gotham would be like a suburb to Sups. DC heroes only care about the North East of America?

The reason why Superman doesn't help out in Gotham is because it would make Batman stories pretty boring. The in-universe reason is that Batman doesn't want the help, or his presence in Gotham undermined, which is fair I guess - he wants to catharsis of beating people up all to himself.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Far too many people are posting in this thread saying they actively went out of their way to purchase tickets and watch this movie DESPITE the fact that they knew it would be bad in advance.

You know, you could have just not gone to see it. Have some self-control. If anything, a 70% drop isn't large enough. Didn't Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 drop 72% after its $169 million opening weekend?

God forbid people form their own opinion? Movie tickets are hardly expensive.

 

[Malyse]

Far too many people are posting in this thread saying they actively went out of their way to purchase tickets and watch this movie DESPITE the fact that they knew it would be bad in advance.

You know, you could have just not gone to see it. Have some self-control. If anything, a 70% drop isn't large enough.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Seriously? How about not policing how people chose to spend their time and money instead of telling people to have self control? That sounds much more productive.

 

[captainnapalm]

Again, the idea that either company is all that different from the other is some carny pro-wrestling bullshit. It's largely artificial.

Same editors
Same writers
Same artists
Same superheroes, they just have different names
Same stories
Same forays and ventures into "adult" realms

These two companies are trying to reach the same audience, so any differences between the two are cosmetic at best. It's an exercise in branding. Coke vs Pepsi. Bud vs Coors. Marlboro vs Camel.

But the idea that one company does things differently than the other has historically been proven to be bullshit. It's a matter of which one succeeds at something slightly newer first. Then the other does their own version of it until they stumble on their own innovation - and then the first does their version of THAT until they innovate, so on and so forth.

Marvel vs. DC is kind of a dumb conceit. It sells funnybooks, and keeps people talking about the product. It's not really rooted in any reality.

I've never cared about the whole Marvel vs DC thing, simply because I've always liked both.

Somehow, though, there is a difference there. It's not always there, and sometimes they may even swap roles for some books or titles, but there is a certain ineffable quality that does separate the Marvel and DC universes. And the characters. It's hard to pinpoint, but in a broad way you can point to Marvel heroes being more or less regular people, whereas the really big DC heroes are more like icons and archetypes.

 

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