BreezyLimbo
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Cinematographer.
THR: Warner Bros. Mulls Releasing Fewer Films as 'Batman v. Superman' Stalls
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Cinematographer.
Lucky them! Obviously BvS wasn't so lucky. And they should have known better considering it's Zack Snyder.
Also, all three of those LOTR films total budget comes in at less than BvS on its own.
Agree.
I suspect we'll see parts of the JL script get leaked soon to cool everyone down a bit on the direction that will take.
Macadinho94
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I think we should reserve judgement until after Suicide Squad hits. That to me is my most anticipated comic related IP this year and if done right will kill at the box office.
Inferno313
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What this guy is suggesting Snyder's role should be is not the same thing as what a Cinematographer does.
LastGamer84
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Gemüsepizza;200312842 said:
More like rework everything, MoS included
Have tv Flash (since, you know, it and Green Arrow are the only good things they have going) travel back in time and teach Pa Kent to be more hopeful about Clark instead of being a dick. Presto, Superman is no longer a brooding asshole.
Recast Cavill and Eisenburg while you're at it, neither one belong in their respective roles.
Kenzodielocke
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Fucking hell, the "making reshoots for more humor" is already debunked. You should not believe everything Faraci says, a man who's has multiple meltdown on twitter.
They're doing the reshoots for the Killer Croc actor btw.
They're doing the reshoots for the Killer Croc actor btw.
It will do well even if it's mediocre. But a good SS won't guarantee people going into WW or JL, because the preset for that is still BvS.
I'm not all together sure what's new about this article, ol' Kevin T said in the press conference in October 2014 (IIRC) when he announced the DCU film slate that the studio would concentrate on it's 'three franchise pillars'.
The doom and gloom around the studio has yet to lighten but all it's going to take is a film on their slate becoming a financial and critical success (Suicide Squad?) and they move out of the 'whipping boy' position and the trades will concentrate on savaging Sony and Paramount..., as it should be.
I fully expect WB to continue doing their thing but the amount of franchises, cinematic universes (animated ones such as Hanna Barbera could next FYI) and tentpole films will become more prominent on their slates.
Nolan, Affleck and the like will continue to get preferred status at the studio with solid bets like Batman and Harry Potter spin offs keeping he lights on.
The doom and gloom around the studio has yet to lighten but all it's going to take is a film on their slate becoming a financial and critical success (Suicide Squad?) and they move out of the 'whipping boy' position and the trades will concentrate on savaging Sony and Paramount..., as it should be.
I fully expect WB to continue doing their thing but the amount of franchises, cinematic universes (animated ones such as Hanna Barbera could next FYI) and tentpole films will become more prominent on their slates.
Nolan, Affleck and the like will continue to get preferred status at the studio with solid bets like Batman and Harry Potter spin offs keeping he lights on.
Visually I liked BvS, it just had some weird decisions in it. If they get rid of Snyder I hope the next DC movies aren't too tonally inconsistent. I like the darker, more realistic style of the new DC movies since it separates them a little more from Marvel stuff.
It would be a shame if this movie kills the ambitions of Warner's DC cinematic project before it really gets off the ground. If it tempers them it'll be a good thing though. I think BvS could have been a lot better without the Justice League set up (which honestly just felt like an ad break mid-movie for upcoming releases), dream sequence, and maybe even without Wonder Woman (even though she was really great). I was really enjoying the start of the movie, seeing the destruction of the city from Bruce's point of view and some of the scenes with Clark Kent. The film would have been a lot better if it had just worked on developing the relationship between those two characters so the conflict felt more natural, and had chucked in a better resolution to said conflict beyond both having mums with the same name. In this kind of movie they need some big bad to fight at the end but Doomsday felt like a little much,I dunno. I just think if the movie had been a little more personal and focused on these characters relationships and not just action, people might actually care enough about these characters to want to go see more movies involving them.
It would be a shame if this movie kills the ambitions of Warner's DC cinematic project before it really gets off the ground. If it tempers them it'll be a good thing though. I think BvS could have been a lot better without the Justice League set up (which honestly just felt like an ad break mid-movie for upcoming releases), dream sequence, and maybe even without Wonder Woman (even though she was really great). I was really enjoying the start of the movie, seeing the destruction of the city from Bruce's point of view and some of the scenes with Clark Kent. The film would have been a lot better if it had just worked on developing the relationship between those two characters so the conflict felt more natural, and had chucked in a better resolution to said conflict beyond both having mums with the same name. In this kind of movie they need some big bad to fight at the end but Doomsday felt like a little much,I dunno. I just think if the movie had been a little more personal and focused on these characters relationships and not just action, people might actually care enough about these characters to want to go see more movies involving them.
Hell, I think Snyder did fine. The screenplay is the problem. The movie and action all were fantastic. Visually it was great.
Pop-O-Matic
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I can't even find a reaction gif for what I'm feeling right now. Just...what? How? Why?
Wag
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I'm sure the studio heads need to do this to justify releasing shit like BvS, but they must have lots of test screenings before they release them. They must have known the audience reception of the movie would be poor?
quickwhips
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All that money on the table and no one has read the source material.
Future Foundation
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Goddamn, I'm impressed about how many stereotypically terrible things you managed to fit in here. Connect the TV universe, do so in a shitty, hackneyed way in order to instill "lightness", "brooding asshole". I'm shocked you didn't suggest selling to Disney.
If it does badly or if it does well I don't think it benefits the DC-CU concept.
If it does below expectations it's another miss.
If it does above expectations, despite Batman v Superman not building into it, it'll show that isolated movies might be a better option than trying to build a connected universe.
I think Wonder Woman might determine the future of how WB handle comic movies.
Schweinehund
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As much of a disappointment that BvS was for box office, it's nowhere near the failure of Pan and Jupiter Ascending.
I'm assuming one of those is the bat solo. Dark universe and Blue & Gold still needs to be slotted as well. There was a Lobo rumor being thrown around.
ElBoxyBrown
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How soon we getting that Matrix reboot?
BenjaminBirdie
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If they greenlit and funded something as cynical and unappealing as BvS, why would you assume the studio you fell in love with still creatively exists? They made a decision as a company and killed what used to be wonderful.
BronsonLee
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We live in insane times
Like this shit
Because Creed & Mad Max came out in 2015
After hearing his influence on the film and doing "fun things" with established characters, it's clear zack might have been the core problem of it all
thehypocrite
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I thought they were already doing that. More click bait.
Interesting.
Someone involved in the Disney Jungle Book film swore to me that the WB Jungle Book film had been 'cancelled'.
Just sayin'.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I'm guessing this will be where The Flash and Aquaman will go and they will fast track a Batman film in one of their places.
Edit: Wait, 'now-untitled'?
Pop-O-Matic
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Wait, they're making their own Jungle Book movie, too? Do they envy Disney that much or are they just too dumb to realize how bad a play it is to release an adaptation ~2 years after another one by a competing studio...
Inferno313
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Now untitled? That's... Interesting.
Now opening same week as Bad Boys 3 and a week after Pirates 5.
CosmicGroinPull
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Yep, it's great that they're having to eat humble pie over this. They probably knew they had a turd on their hands, but instead of trying to fix it, they just send it out while amping up the marketing. Thinking that since they have the Batman and Superman brand, it will never fail, and thinking the public will eat it up as long as there's visual spectacle.
The marketing campaign is as dumb as the movie - 'Who do you think will win, Batman or Superman?'
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
DC slate has had 60% drops since The Dark Knight Rises to Man of Steel and BvS - don't think it'll change that much in the grand scheme of things.
Gambit won't budge. Maybe push back the untitled August WB film and let WW get the slot.
Edit: omg lol
Valkyr1983
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Do they?
Batman and superman both seem kinda lame compared to what Marvel has to offer but opinions I guess
Can Crusher
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If it's so filmmaker driven, hire good filmmakers.
That's a shame Warner Bros. is one of the few studios that takes huge risks on Blockbusters these days. Everyone else does design by committee focus group bullshit.
Yeah, Jupiter Ascending was garbage, but what other studio would have the brass to shell out $150 mil on an unproven series. Pretty crazy if you think about it. They have a number of misses, but they've got some shit that would never have seen the light of day elsewhere (or it would've on a shoestring budget): Edge of Tomorrow, Watchmen, Fury Road. Hell, they gave (well New Line gave) Peter Jackson (who had come off of hits such as "The Frighteners" and "Heavenly Creatures") free reign over the entire Lord of the Rings film property and hundreds of millions of dollars to do make a trilogy out of it. It's kind of mad, but it worked.
Yeah, BvS was shit, but they trusted a huge budget to a director they thought was good, and gave him the power to do what he wanted. That's pretty huge in this day and age of blockbusters. So respect.
Yeah, Jupiter Ascending was garbage, but what other studio would have the brass to shell out $150 mil on an unproven series. Pretty crazy if you think about it. They have a number of misses, but they've got some shit that would never have seen the light of day elsewhere (or it would've on a shoestring budget): Edge of Tomorrow, Watchmen, Fury Road. Hell, they gave (well New Line gave) Peter Jackson (who had come off of hits such as "The Frighteners" and "Heavenly Creatures") free reign over the entire Lord of the Rings film property and hundreds of millions of dollars to do make a trilogy out of it. It's kind of mad, but it worked.
Yeah, BvS was shit, but they trusted a huge budget to a director they thought was good, and gave him the power to do what he wanted. That's pretty huge in this day and age of blockbusters. So respect.
ChaosZeroX
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I wonder if the WB execs have noticed that they keep releasing bad movies and thats why this is happening. BvS included. Instead of focusing on aethetics and visuals, dish out some movies with a story and plot and build upon it.
Disney/Marvel does this perfectly.
Disney/Marvel does this perfectly.
There is another jungle book wtf
BronsonLee
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MagnaderAlpha
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If the risks result in a product that people dislike, they have the right to be ripped to shreds. There's no obligation to like something that takes risks or is creative. You can admire someone's ability to take a risk or their creativity, but that's on you.
Pretty much. I see it like this, Warner seen what Marvel did and how it blew up in popularity and want a piece of that action, but don't want to WORK for it like Marvel did. The Marvel cinematic universe started out slow and built itself into a big thing. Warner seems like they are impatient to let that sort of growth happen and are rushing the shit out of these movies to the point that quality suffers.
And even though I am more of a Marvel fan, I WANT to see a GOOD take on the DC universe with a cinematic universe, but Warner is making this SOOOO damn hard. Hell, if not this, cut it back and just make a "Batman Cinematic Universe" that revolves around Batman, but spins off with Robin(and eventually Nightwing), Batgirl(then Oracle in a Birds of Prey movie), Catwoman(a GOOD movie), Huntress, and such. Focus on some big stories like Killing Joke, Court of Owls and such, but keep it in the Batman universe.
They have a good philosophy but they clearly don't know when they need to step in and stop things from getting out of hand. It's crazy how much money they've handed out for projects that everyone on the outside could see wouldn't be huge hits. Then you have their complete lack of a plan with the DC stuff and it's clear that they need new people in charge asap.
WW move was inevitable. Summer is packed as it is. Not sure that's even that better of a date.
BenjaminBirdie
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At like a quarter of the investment? They made a big bet on garbage. C'est le guerre.
torre_avenue
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Because when they greenlight these things, they are usually based of the strength of the filmmaker. For Jupiter Ascending, WB approached the Wachowski sisters to make a new franchise out of original IP and by the time a first draft of the script was done, the film was already in pre-production. So, even if the script was garbage, it becomes a matter of sunk cost and having a guaranteed loss versus releasing the film and earning some little bit of that back.
"Pan" was actually a script listed high up on "The Black List" which means people in the industry though the initial script was fantastic. Then, what must have happened is a mix of odd creative decisions as well as studio notes may have clipped whatever wings the film had. If I remember correctly, there were also a bunch of Peter Pan films in development by the time "Pan" was greenlit in 2013. Ultimately, what I think motivated WB was a) a potential huge family franchise led by a really bankable star, b) beating other companies to the money they clearly saw when they bought all those Peter Pan pitches, and c) a script that might have been genuinely good. How we got the "Pan" we did is likely to be a result of the creative process over those 2 years.
"In The Heart of the Sea" may have just been the odd misfire for Ron Howard. My guess is, WB thought it could build a relationship with Howard who can direct both Oscar bait and commercially successful films by greenlighting what seemed like pure Oscar bait because historical biopics based on real events & real people set in the 1800s with the actors legitimately suffering for the role with quite a bit of practical effects with an Oscar winner at the helm, whose previous film got a lot of awards attention. It seems like a no brainer.
Ultimately, the reason these bombed were because WB took creative risks on new IP. There is no question any of these films could have become instant classics if the circumstances were right during its production to release. It really is a crapshoot when films go into development because whatever the studio sees when it greenlights the films must be good enough for them to see a financial future in it. When films are shit, studios know. That's why release dates shift. JA had two spots in the prime of summer till it got relegated to a dumping ground in February because WB thought it might have the next Star Wars on its hands. And honestly, all this means is we as audiences will see less and less creative risks coming out of WB. We're going to be forcefed sequels and reboots because they are the closest things to sure things the industry has. Shame, really.
Mowgli with machineguns will be the shit.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
WB wants Wonder Woman to die
BreezyLimbo
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Yeah I did a double take because I just saw an interview on TV with Jon Favreau about...Jungle Book.
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