His raw PPG isn't that impressive to be honest. I realize he's sat alot of quarters but 29~30 pts a game is pretty pedestrian in a conversation of the greats. Somebody suggested he gets Shaq's space as a great but even Shaq has put up these numbers despite not being able to hit a shot outside of 10ft and fts. Hell it might be even more impressive considering Steph shoots so many treys to get his numbers. Alot of players have dominated similarly, its just that Steph gets his beyond the arc and his team is playing at insane levels.
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Sho_Nuff82
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Shaq only played less than 36 mpg once before the age of 32. That's why Curry's per/36 numbers are so good in comparison. And Curry's true shooting % is higher this year than any of Shaq's best years. If Curry was averaging 40 mpg he'd be putting up closer to Jordan/Kobe's 35 ppg years, but he never has to play those kinds of minutes because his team doesn't suck like Jordan's in 87 or Kobe's in 06.
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What's unprecedented? That he got better after his MVP year? MJ's first MVP was in 1988. Widely known fact: he got better after that.
It's crazy that Curry is going to have as many MVPs as Shaq and Kobe combined after this season. It's inexcusable that Shaq only had one MVP. The guy was the most overpowering physical monster I've ever seen and yet he was such a dog (relative to his abilities) during the regular season that he was only considered the best one time. Crazy.
Jordan was absolutely amazing, but somehow I saw his greatness coming. Curry took me off guard. His current season is nothing short of supernova. He deserves all the praise he gets for breaking the game from a distance I didn't think was possible.
It's not unprecedented to improve after your MVP season, but it is unprecedented just how much he's improved. His PPG this season is over +6 compared to his MVP season last year, which is the highest % increase ever.
Nobody expected him to be that much better this year compared to last, which is one of the reasons he's getting so much attention. It's just crazy how much better 15-16 Curry is compared to 14-15 Curry.
yoooo adjusted for pace? You'll be pleasantly surprised lol.
Wilt is awesome is for sure though.
edit: as an example...adjusted for pace of the game, Jordan per 100 possessions would have average 41.5ppg as a Bull (40.4 when you include his Wizard years)
Wilt goes down from 30.5 to ~26ppg.
Point stands. For a guy that shoots and makes that many threes and at the pace they play at, his points per game should be higher imo. And as I stated, Shaq sucked almost everywhere outside the paint, of course his shooting percentages will be lower if 3pts and FTs afe weighed.
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Curry is easily top 10 of all-time greats. My expert opinion of watching the NBA for two years tells me so. Curry is love; he transcends space and time.
Ya'll are just haters.
#DefenseIsOverratedCurryThe3pointGod
Ya'll are just haters.
#DefenseIsOverratedCurryThe3pointGod
He also has more assists than Shaq. But I won't say anything against Shaq, he was my second favorite player after Jordan. He made me wake up at impossible hours, living in France. I loved his weakness, and his brutal domination to cope for this. He was the anti Curry, 2 opposite sides of the spectrum, of the court making their points. I love them both for totally different reasons, one same singularity.
I'm just hoping Curry can stay in the 50-40-90 club. I think he has to have 6 misses or less to stay above 50% shooting overall. It'd be the highest scoring 50-40-90 season in history.
I think he means the direct increase the year after an MVP. Curry's PPG increase this year is the highest ever for a returning MVP.
dragonyeuw
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It's absurd that he has over 100 more than the second place record, which is his, to boot. Absolutely insane.
4 of the top 5 next year?
:: 3pts stop time ::
The further the distance, the truer this is.
Curry stops time. Jordan did too with his insanely long dunks. He stopped time in the air.
That's another thing people can't put words on, yet make them love watching Curry.
I'm not sure how you can say that his PPG should be higher when he's currently at 31.2 in player efficiency rating this season, which puts him at about #8 all time. The only players ahead of him are Chamberlain, Jordan and LBJ.
Sho_Nuff82
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Difficulty is relative. Shaq's points came on the highest % shots in the game (shots between 1-5 feet), but he's also playing against obviously the biggest guys on the court and getting hacked on nearly every play. Steph is taking the lowest % shots in the game that have the highest rate of return, and hitting them at a rate that makes up for how many he takes.
And I checked Shaq's per 100 numbers across his career, his two best ppg years/per 100 possessions were 40.0 and 40.1 in 95 and 98, respectively. So adjusted for pace, Curry's '15-16 year is still better than any of Shaq's, Wilkins', Gervins', Malone's, Kareem's, Durant's or Lebron's years, ever, and only behind 1 of Kobe's years (MVP year in '06). Jordan is the only player with multiple better scoring seasons (7 seasons = or better).
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Talent and "change the game" wise Curry is an all-time great. He's at the right level, but the impact will be limited due to how long it took to break out.
I think that I myself am just amazed at the gigantic leap he made from last season.
I think that I myself am just amazed at the gigantic leap he made from last season.
Seeing those comparable (if not better) Jordan numbers makes me pretty sad I wasn't really into basketball in the 90's or sports in general aside from pro wrestling which isn't an actual sport. I wonder how magnificent it was watching Jordan live putting up insane games considering I'm enjoying Curry's run so much right now. Would be awesome if they had all the old 90's playoffs/finals games archived somewhere in HD. I remember seeing a Chicago Utah game in glorious 1080p somewhere.
dragonyeuw
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Curry has eclipsed Ray at this point, on both volume and efficiency. What makes Curry truly special is his ability to create 3's off the dribble, he's not just coming off screens and/ catch-shoot like a Reggie Miller( or Allen on the Celtics).
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At Jordan's peak, he was an aerial artist that took Dr. J's blueprint to a higher level. He's still the most creative around the basket finisher I've ever seen. Around the time of the first 3peat he developed a consistent mid-range and post game complimenting his highflying style. Basically, the crazy shooting you see from Curry now, MJ got the same reactions of 'awe' but his stuff was in-air assaults and drives at the rim.
Also, there's some old Bulls games on youtube. You should be able to find those old playoffs battles against the Knicks, if you want to see a mix of prime MJ, 90's basketball, and when we had real rivalries.
Based on the numbers it's Curry....
Best Season for Allen
FG% 49%
3pt% 44%
FT% 88%
Best Season for Curry
FG% 50%
3pt% 45%
FT% 90%
Keep in mind this is a season where Allen took 978 FG attempts (378 3PA's). Curry has taken 1574 FG attempts (867 3PA). To shoot with that volume while still leading in % is just crazy and makes it pretty clear cut who the better shooter is.
Curry isn't among the all-time greats yet, but you guys can't keep throwing out per game stats in an attempt to downplay the incredible season he's having. Curry's efficiency this year is on a completely different level compared to Jordan's best years. He simply scores more points per shot.
I don't really know why the NBA still holds on so tightly to bulk stats like that. I understand that being able to create shots is meaningful and you don't want to overrate players who are very selective, but percentages do matter.
I don't really know why the NBA still holds on so tightly to bulk stats like that. I understand that being able to create shots is meaningful and you don't want to overrate players who are very selective, but percentages do matter.
one season does not a career make. Which I think is what people are arguing. No one is denying Curry's level of play currently ranks among the very best. It's one thing to do it for one season, it's another to do it for a career. And I think that's what people are saying as to why Curry doesn't deserve to be stand among the elite in history. He's projected to be there but give him a few more years
edit: oh i didn't realize you were only talking about ppg. That's being unkind to the likes of Kareem/Shaq/LBJ (especially)
i was a little young'n at the time but have seen tapes and, of course, youtube vids of a lot of his old games. 1992 playoffs against the Knicks. Gah damn, that was basketball at its finest
PER? Curry is at 31.18 PER currently this season
Jordan's highest PER season was 87-88. 31.71. then in 91-92, he had a PER of 31.63
or do you mean true field goal percentage where they weigh the 3 pointer more than 2pointers because of the fact it's an extra point? can't disagree there. Curry is a better shooter than Jordan...or rather has farther range.
curry per 100 possessions is shooting at 50.2% clip from inside the 3pt line.
Jordan per 100 possessions in his career as a Bull, shot 52% from inside the 3pt line.
Yeah, I meant true shooting percentage, takes into account three pointers and free throws. Curry is at .67 this year, Jordan's best year was .61.
Sho_Nuff82
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Well there we agree. I said many pages back that this is a historically great season...but he'd have to do it for about 5 more years before he could even be in the consideration of a top 5 player all time. That's how good Jordan/Lebron/Kareem/Kobe/Shaq were.
Nash has two MVPs but no one would put him in the all time list over Shaq. David Robinson had one of the most dominant 5 year stretches in basketball ever and he's barely a footnote in Tim Duncan's 20 year career. If Curry is still playing near this level at the age of 32, he's a lock for top 10 discussions for the next 30 years.
It doesn't look like Steph is going to get it now, but he is going to be very close to achieving two one-season stat lines that are rare:
30+ pts, 5+ reb, 5+ ast
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50-40-90 shooting percentage
The number of players in NBA history who have done either of those is very low, and he still has a chance to do both in one season.
Oh yeah, and he is leading the league in steals too.
30+ pts, 5+ reb, 5+ ast
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50-40-90 shooting percentage
The number of players in NBA history who have done either of those is very low, and he still has a chance to do both in one season.
Oh yeah, and he is leading the league in steals too.
Zantetsuken
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Curry my goodness...
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supernova, engaged.
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So fun to watch. My god.
Dunedain_Ranger
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Wow this guy !!
Dunedain_Ranger
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First game I've seen of curry all season damn
Bam Bam Baklava
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This is a Jordan performance in the making right here.
BassForever
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3 more threes for 400 and it's only the 1st quarter damn
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Two more
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Threesus Christ Cometh.
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Unless Kerr benches Curry now or he becomes unbelievably cold it's gonna happen
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