B6 will be the same price as the C6.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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B6 will be the same price as the C6.
NewOrder79
Banned
i miss the Panasonic plasmas
Me also haha. I'm having a pretty hard time choosing my next set. I'd love an OLED, but I've never been a fan of LG products. I think I'm edging towards a Sony, but I'm worried about black levels on an LED LCD. I tried out my girlfriends Dad's Samsung 4K TV but it wasn't as impressive as my friends Sony one. It's a goddamn minefield out there with no clear winner. I don't think we even get Vizio's on sale here in Australia either.
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It amazes me how some have seemingly never watched good content on a quality plasma.
"As a sample-and-hold display, the 65-inch LG G6 OLED, in spite of its instantaneous pixel response time, still appears with inherent motion blur...the now-obsolete plasma and CRT technologies are still best for sharp motion"
OLED has a lot of potential, but we really need other manufacturers to compete with LG and, hopefully, push to refine the technology. As of now it combines what I consider to be the biggest drawback of plasma (potential for burn in) with the biggest drawback of LCD/LED. (poor motion handling)
Samsung attempted in the past and failed with their OLED. Panasonic's is a hobbled together LG. The only company that can probably pull it off is Sony, but iirc their mass panel provider can't provide OLED panels in normal sizes, and their OLED technology, while better, doesn't have a consumer expected life range.
LostDonkey
Member
So I went to a few of my local TV stores today putting some feelers out and having a look at some 4k sets.
Disappointed at the lack of analogue audio out support.
Is it completely phased out? My last set is from 2010 and has more outputs than these newer models.
Disappointed at the lack of analogue audio out support.
Is it completely phased out? My last set is from 2010 and has more outputs than these newer models.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
I just got a Samsung KS8000 and was shocked to find it didn't have it. I was planning to finally get a modern receiver any way, just wasn't planning for it to be the day my new TV arrived. Oh well, now to actually get a surround sound system.
LostDonkey
Member
Damn....that's gonna eat into my budget if I have to buy a new system.
This sucks.
Damn....that's gonna eat into my budget if I have to buy a new system.
This sucks.
Can't you use a converter?
LostDonkey
Member
I'm not sure. Would it degrade sound quality in any way?
It's probably time I upgraded this ancient audio system anyway to be honest. I was looking to spend all my budget on a nice TV, might have to slice some off for the audio and get a smaller set.
Truckondo2.0
Member
A lot of TV's still have analog audio out but in the form of a 3.5mm stereo jack. Vizio still uses the standard RCA output jacks. Just get a 3.5mm to RCA Y Adapter for the audio out.
LostDonkey
Member
A separate jack from the headphone port? I need to look at the back of more TV's but it's hard when they stack them on shelves so tightly, you try to move one to have a look and security is on you lol.
Truckondo2.0
Member
Sony TV's have an option in the audio settings to change that 3.5 mm port into a audio out or headphone port. I know Samsung have it as just plain audio out.
LostDonkey
Member
Thanks for the heads up. Maybe all is not lost with my 1988 analogue stereo system!!
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I get that.
I think part of my problem is the naming convention. As there is more to watching good sports than just the motion blur and Gray uniformity. Likewise those two stats also effect more than just sports. Plus some things are grouped together and some things are left separate score wise.
I get I'm being picky, but that's kinda the thing for higher end TVs.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
My JS8500 had this, my KS8000 does not. So, I'm assuming Samsung ditched it on their 2016 sets.
Truckondo2.0
Member
Haven't touched the KS series yet. Funny thing is I have a setup on one tomorrow. Now I'm curious to what it will have. At worst, you could connect a Toslink to analog adapter and that would give you analog out.
Weapon of War
Member
I've read through all the impressions of LG's 55eg9100 and Vizio's P-series (looking at the P55) and am on the fence. My main use for the TV would be to play PS4 games and watch the occasional movie. The assumption is that when the inevitable periodic price reduction of the 9100 hits $1299, as it has in the past, the two displays are at price parity.
My concern about the 9100 is that I may miss out on 4k content in the future. Maybe latency too? My main concern about the P55 is that the picture quality won't match that of the 9100.
Any suggestions?
My concern about the 9100 is that I may miss out on 4k content in the future. Maybe latency too? My main concern about the P55 is that the picture quality won't match that of the 9100.
Any suggestions?
Jigolo
Member
Buy the Vizio
Weapon of War
Member
May I ask why you suggest the Vizio?
TerryLee81
Member
Get the 1080p OLED now and a 4k OLED in a few years when there's enough content and new consoles.
I could not go back to LCD, the image quality is amazing on the 9100. And no problems at all with gaming.
BeardyChan
Member
Question and a hypothetical one at that with the potential 4K console revisions on the horizon. How will that affect game mode on a new 4K tv? I'm thinking about getting the Vizio P65 and know it has a really good latency on port 5, but I don't know how it would handle a 4K gaming signal. Would it keep the same latency as 1080p? I'm asking because I don't want to have to buy another tv in 2 years time.
Rbk_3
Member
17ms of input lag vs 43ms on the LG.
I personally cant do anything over 40ms or I notice it.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Most of the input lag testing during these reviews is done at 1080p. The Leo Bodnar tester that most of these sites use is also limited to 1080p. It's unclear whether native output at 4K would have an impact on lag. On the one hand, the TV is receiving and processing more information, so the lag might be higher. On the other hand, the TV is no longer having to upscale everything to 4K so it might be the same or lower. Hopefully Leo Bodnar will release a 4K model soon, as the other methods of measuring lag aren't as precise.
The Lamonster
Member
I've been lurking this thread for a few years...I've been waiting to see a "consensus" TV. Something higher end but still affordable. Am I correct in assuming that the Vizio P series (year after year) seems to fill everyone's needs, especially for a gaming TV?
Would it be a worthy upgrade from a nice panny plasma from 2008?
Would it be a worthy upgrade from a nice panny plasma from 2008?
Stealthcobra
Member
Is the sony bravia xbr49x830c 49 4k any good for gaming?
I would get the OLED. I have the EC9300, playing Ratchet and Clank on it right now. Looks amazing!
I also game on PC, with a monitor that has under 12ms input lag. Don't notice a difference really. Although, apparently the EG9100 has a bit more input lag than the EC9300... really not sure if it'd be noticeable though. Game+PC mode gets you around 35ms on the EC9300 in my experience.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If the LG EG9600 is in your budget, then that is a no brainer. OLED for sure!
Tarin02543
Member
Perhaps some people already know but I'm a big OLED freak.
Currently I use a Sony PVM 740 as a secondary PC screen for YouTube viewing etc and it's really lightyears ahead of everything I've seen, and that's for a unit made in 2010.
I follow OLED News daily, and just now it's been announced that JOLED (Panasonic+Sony OLED joint venture) has created 20 inch 4K prototypes, to be massproduced in 2018.
So I'd say we will start to see non-LG OLED units from 2020 onwards.
This is great news!
Currently I use a Sony PVM 740 as a secondary PC screen for YouTube viewing etc and it's really lightyears ahead of everything I've seen, and that's for a unit made in 2010.
I follow OLED News daily, and just now it's been announced that JOLED (Panasonic+Sony OLED joint venture) has created 20 inch 4K prototypes, to be massproduced in 2018.
So I'd say we will start to see non-LG OLED units from 2020 onwards.
This is great news!
Jigolo
Member
Yes me too. I am obsessed with the tech. I read that the other day and JOLED made those panels using printing technology. I wonder how they will pan out and I wonder what sub Pixel arrangement they are using.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Definitely. I have been waiting to hear the announcements of other players entering the fold. Panasonic and Sony partnership could make for a damned impressed OLED! Hopefully this will drive prices down as well.
The last high-end Panasonic and Samsung plasmas where as good or better in basically every image quality metric versus Kuro. Plus they had tons of more features.Fixed
LostDonkey
Member
Can anyone recommend a cheap DAC? I'm using a 3.5mm to 2xrca for my hifi but no sound through the TV at the same time
Can anyone recommend a cheap DAC? I'm using a 3.5mm to 2xrca for my hifi but no sound through the TV at the same time
You want the same sound coming out of your stereo as your TV?
Jigolo
Member
Someone was interested in the 1080p D series Vizio here is a good deal for that
http://slickdeals.net/f/8666122-55-...d-550-free-shipping-65-model-is-850-w-250-egc
http://slickdeals.net/f/8666122-55-...d-550-free-shipping-65-model-is-850-w-250-egc
DJ Lushious
Member
I've got money I've put aside for a long time to be used for my next HDTV upgrade. I'm going to spring on either a G6 or an E6. I'm still waiting to see more places run tests on the HDR and DCI P3 color gamut. I've read that the G6 doesn't hit 99% color reproduction like LG was saying and there's no real way to test HDR accurately (as in, no reference).
Oh, and I'm waiting for the price to come down a thousand or two.
Oh, and I'm waiting for the price to come down a thousand or two.
The Samsung's had bad dithering and much higher black levels. Just about the only thing they had going for them was the F8500's brightness.
The Panasonic ZT65 and VT65 were great but unfortunately they were not as bright as the Pioneer and the VT65 I also had worse dither noise and motion than my Kuro. Picture was sharper on the Kuro too.
If by features you mean smart features that doesn't really matter. I have a nVidia Shield connected to my Kuro.
Former owner of F8500 and VT65.
So how is this TV:
http://ao.com/product/tx58dx700b-panasonic-tv-black-40528-108.aspx
It is the one I am currently thinking about pulling the trigger on? The XONE will be plugged into it but it will be the main living room TV too.
http://ao.com/product/tx58dx700b-panasonic-tv-black-40528-108.aspx
It is the one I am currently thinking about pulling the trigger on? The XONE will be plugged into it but it will be the main living room TV too.
Samurai G0SU
Member
waiting to pull the trigger on a 55in Sony 850C, but i have to wait a couple months.. almost phased out completly! ( And learning that the newer model, 850D ,is a bit worse has me kinda sad.
idk what to do anymore.
( And learning that the newer model, 850D ,is a bit worse has me kinda sad. idk what to do anymore.
LostDonkey
Member
I want to be able to use the sound out of the TV at the same time as the Hifi.
I'm using a 3,5 to RCA though the rear headphone port at the moment so I want to see if I can use a DAC optical to analogue converter and still use the sound from the TV.
If possible.
Bill Rizer
Member
Ok, I'm done with plasma tech for ever. I just sold my 55vt60 in anticipation of my future 4k Oled purchase.
I never liked that tv, honestly. While I had a previous generation 42" ut50 which I liked, the big vt60 was a let down to me. Black level was just a bit (slightly!) deeper but in practical use didn't make a difference (we're still speaking of a shade of grey, actually). The larger screen made dfc and posterization unbearable on games, with a very rough picture. Motion was bad to my eyes, with the picture going to look as a bad 16-colors gif when not still. I also found the filter-less screen on the ut50 to give a more brilliant and lively picture in a dimly lit or dark environment. Finally, vt60 had the habit to develop image retention in almost no time, making playing games a nightmare.
All in all, plasma was not that holy grail it's often said to be, at least for gamers and unless you watch your screen from far away (not my case).
I never liked that tv, honestly. While I had a previous generation 42" ut50 which I liked, the big vt60 was a let down to me. Black level was just a bit (slightly!) deeper but in practical use didn't make a difference (we're still speaking of a shade of grey, actually). The larger screen made dfc and posterization unbearable on games, with a very rough picture. Motion was bad to my eyes, with the picture going to look as a bad 16-colors gif when not still. I also found the filter-less screen on the ut50 to give a more brilliant and lively picture in a dimly lit or dark environment. Finally, vt60 had the habit to develop image retention in almost no time, making playing games a nightmare.
All in all, plasma was not that holy grail it's often said to be, at least for gamers and unless you watch your screen from far away (not my case).
I bit the bullet and got the 65". TVs tend to last me a long time so I consider it a good investment.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
I miss my plasma that had a subwoofer out on it but it did have 6 speakers aswell
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You got a phenomenal set. And that set will be amazing for quite a long time. Prepare to be wow'ed.
Stealthcobra
Member
How are curved tvs for gaming?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They do not perform any different. I actually found them a bit more immersive in FPS/Racing games. Since the curvature goes with that of your eyes, so it forms a better peripheral feedback. But they are a more solo experience since you want to sit dead center.
In other words, when I am ready for OLED, I will not be ruling out a curved set if the price is right.
Yes, Samsung and Sony's OLED ventures are well documented. But it's inevitable that others will follow LG into the OLED mass market and I would advise anyone interested in the technology with a serviceable television wait until this happens.
As far as the Panasonic is concerned, I live in the States and can't claim to have seen it in person. But the only professional television reviewer I put any stock in, David Mackenzie, thought it was of a high standard. It does use an LG OLED panel, but using another manufacturer's panel is commonplace in the LCD market so this isn't surprising. By this thinking, most current TV's are "hobbled together." Again, I haven't seen this model, but I've been of the opinion that Panasonic's LCD motion processing solution has been far superior to LG's for years so that could very well carry over to OLED. Likewise, many of the manufacturers that use LG's LCD panels have been getting measurably better performance from them for years. So even if Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, etc merely decide to implement existing LG OLED panels they're worth waiting for. Or who knows... there might be another joint venture like the Panasonic/Sony one that was ultimately dissolved. It's still a young technology in the large screen space, no one can speak in definites at this point, and anyone purchasing a current OLED is most assuredly taking an early-adopter risk.