Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info

...Scatter... said:
I mean, there are other differences between the two.

First party games.
No driver issues.
You can trade in games.
There are only two specs to code for.
Unified online system (for the most part)
Less cheating
etc.
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Don't forget about platinum trophies. Many crazy fools stick to PS for that reason alone.
Like me.
 
1.6 ghz vs 1.75 this was the difference:

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What difference would 2.1 ghz bring? What about the triangle count of 1.6 vs 2.1?
 
As much as I hate it, this is a brilliant business move by Sony. There is the slight chance of backfire but if they play their cards right, they have just given a breathe of life to their shortsighted hardware.
 
Ozzykamikaze said:
One of the few people that stepped out of line when the crazy pills were being handed out.

Nobody HAS to buy this. I don't understand the outrage.
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There have been all manner of responses to this. Some I understand. It's a bummer to feel like you bought into an ecosystem only to see it supplanted by a superior product before you perceive you've gotten an acceptable amount of value out of it. This is the most dangerous backlash that console makers would face trying to move to an iterative model. Eventually you iterate to the point where you're dependent on each marginal improvement moving the needle predictably to meet sales targets, and I think Smartphone manufacturers are starting to show that the ride is bumpier than one would hope.

There are those who seem to feel like Sony has them by the balls and they have no choice but to pay up. That just amounts to someone playing a victim in order to justify their addiction to having the newest shit. It's a common behavior among compulsive people.
 
Obliterator said:
It is worth noting how Sony has shown no updated content for Horizon, Dreams, etc. And also announced nothing else for Q4 this year. Their 1st party studio's likely have been working on launch versions for PS4.5 for a while and will have a blow out at E3.

Exciting times ahead
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To be fair Dreams was live demoed on kinda funny youtube less than a month ago
 
MisterCTwo said:
I was just about to buy another PS4 so I'm excited to wait.

I can't help but wonder though, could game sales be impacted by this? I wonder if people will say "I want to play <insert game title> but I'll just wait to buy it until I can play it on the Neo" rather than playing it on the PSPoor (love that) first? Similarly, would people be inclined to play games again if they had better framerates and whatnot? So many people who own both systems are going to become their own Eurogamer, Lol. This really is going to change things.
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I'm not going to wait months to buy a game that may or may not get an updated for the new console.
 
For real though if Naughty Dog are able to make something look as insane visually as Uncharted 4 just imagine what Sony 1st party will be able to put out with 2x the GPU performance. Will be some real lookers coming up
 
PSPoor started here. Don't let anyone else take credit.

But seriously no one else is worried that these demos will now be on the PS4K and not the PSPoor? Digital Foundry has its work cut out.
 
Tistru said:
First, Polaris refers only to GPU side. The GCN architecture improvements do not require any code changes to run games as it would on the CPU side. That's why Sony couldn't move to a ZEN architecture on the CPU as that would break compatibility. Second, if it were using GCN 1.2, that wouldn't explain how 2304 SPs could fit within the power and size limitations of a console. The largest GCN 1.2 mobile GPU AMD makes today is still only 32 CUs (2048 SPs) and it is still a 125W part. This new PS4 is said to be even smaller than the current one which would require the 14nm die shrink and AMD is only building 14nm Polaris parts. The much improved perf/watt is the only way a console can squeeze 2304 SPs onto an APU of equal or smaller size than the current PS4 and still fit within the TDP, noise, and size requirements of the PS4 form factor. It's just common sense.

Also, there is no 36 CU GCN 1.2 part in production but there is already a known 36CU Polaris based GPU in production and that is the Polaris 10. A happy coincidence? I think not.
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No dude. It is the other way around. CPUs follow the X86-64 ISA. It why I can potentially run executables compiled decades ago on a modern PC.

GPUs change their ISA from generation to generation. This was alleviated by drivers, but thin drivers like those on consoles don't hide these architectural differences.
 
Obliterator said:
For real though if Naughty Dog are able to make something look as insane visually as Uncharted 4 just imagine what Sony 1st party will be able to put out with 2x the GPU performance. Will be some real lookers coming up
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it still has to look good on the old PS4 so it's not like they can go too crazy
 
Is it crazy to think that Sony(and possibly MS as well)knew this was the plan all along? As I sit here now, I'm certain that wasn't something they decided in the last 6 months-year.
 
Kojirospath said:
This isn't enough of an upgrade for me honestly. I was on the fence, but that shitty cpu pushed me right of. I'll save my money and get an NX.
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Do you think Nintendo has any ability to get something any better? Puma is the only thing better and is only a marginal upgrade.

Sony and MS are both waiting for Zen cores for PS5/XB2 which won't be ready in time anyway for any current gen revision.
 
icespide said:
it still has to look good on the old PS4 so it's not like they can go too crazy
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Sure they can just look at the huge range you see on PC. The Division on lowest setting looks nowhere near Ultra.

I expect Sony 1st party to take full advantage of the hardware improvements. 3rd party not as much but their internal studios will push PS4.5 hard
 
doofy102 said:
What if the PS5 will be able to play PS4 games in Neo mode? How many people will hold out and see?
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And what if PS5Neo comes out 3 years later?
How many will rush in day 1 on the PS5 poor version wading through poorly optimized launch titles only to sit with the inferior versions of all the cool titles they showed at the unveil 3 years later which are running perfectly on the definitive PS5?
 
Inuhanyou said:
Do you think Nintendo has any ability to get something any better? Puma is the only thing better and is only a marginal upgrade.

Sony and MS are both waiting for Zen cores for PS5/XB2 which won't be ready in time anyway for any current gen revision.
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I think his point is that the NX will be a much larger jump from Wii U.
 
Tistru said:
First, Polaris refers only to GPU side. The GCN architecture improvements do not require any code changes to run games as it would on the CPU side. That's why Sony couldn't move to a ZEN architecture on the CPU as that would break compatibility. Second, if it were using GCN 1.2, that wouldn't explain how 2304 SPs could fit within the power and size limitations of a console. The largest GCN 1.2 mobile GPU AMD makes today is still only 32 CUs (2048 SPs) and it is still a 125W part. This new PS4 is said to be even smaller than the current one which would require the 14nm die shrink and AMD is only building 14nm Polaris parts. The much improved perf/watt is the only way a console can squeeze 2304 SPs onto an APU of equal or smaller size than the current PS4 and still fit within the TDP, noise, and size requirements of the PS4 form factor. It's just common sense.

Also, there is no 36 CU GCN 1.2 part in production but there is already a known 36CU Polaris based GPU in production and that is the Polaris 10. A happy coincidence? I think not.
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There is no APU like PS4 one on AMD lineup.

There is GCN 1.2 with 36CUs (to be fair PS4k will have redundant CUs do the total can be 38) because nobody asked or they didn't needed to make one.

In 14nm you can fit even more than 2304SPs into the same size of PS4's APU.

You are not using logic at all here... AMD producing Polaris in 14nm didn't make it impossible to make 14nm GCN for custom partners.

BTW custom GCN in 14nm will cheaper than Polaris in 14nm to Sony and AMD.
 
Ozzykamikaze said:
This is almost exactly what I said to my brother a short while ago when I linked this thread. He was surprised that rather than people being excited, they were mad and upset.
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1080p --> 4k
2 player co-op --> 4 player co-op
Unlocked 30/60fps --> locked 30/60fps

And they're charging the same price (more in Canada) for these marginal, negligible "upgrades" as the original PS4. Of course people are upset we're not getting a proper console upgrade.
 
farisr said:
For some reason I read the article and said they wouldd require late September games to patch a neo mode, and thought "figures, FFXV releases at the beginning of September so it won't get patched as it's optional, I was looking forward to an even better FFXV"

The one time I'm so glad to be wrong about a game coming out later than I thought. I've waited 10 years. I think I'll wait a few more months if it means I'll get to play a better version of the game. (I'm still getting a copy day 1, it'll just be sitting there unopened LOL). Though the whole late september games needing a day 1 patch is making me hope it actually comes out early october.
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I'm hoping that the console releases pretty soon around that time. I could maybe wait a week or so, but probably not much longer than that. Unfortunately my guess is it will be a November launch.
 
I'll get it. It sucks but I'll get it. Just like I'll get an upgraded Xbox. Devs are going to have their hands full getting the most out of NX, Next Box, and PS4.5 while trying to continue to optimize for PS4 and XBO.
 
Obliterator said:
Sure they can just look at the huge range you see on PC. The Division on lowest setting looks nowhere near Ultra.

I expect Sony 1st party to take full advantage of the hardware improvements. 3rd party not as much but their internal studios will push PS4.5 hard
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Honestly just expect sony to push 60fps on PS4K, since they have been really pushing it in remasters.
 
You know my initial reaction to this was pretty simple I don't have gamer outrage.

1) I thought it was for people adopting 4K televisions who didn't ant to watch upscaled 1080p stuff.
2) I thought it happily coincided with VR timing
3) Sony put out DVD player, Bluray player, and now a 4K player using playstation.

I think in their minds this is actually just the 4K version of ps4 but to get there the had to mess with specs.
 
Schnozberry said:
There have been all manner of responses to this. Some I understand. It's a bummer to feel like you bought into an ecosystem only to see it supplanted by a superior product before you perceive you've gotten an acceptable amount of value out of it. This is the most dangerous backlash that console makers would face trying to move to an iterative model. Eventually you iterate to the point where you're dependent on each marginal improvement moving the needle predictably to meet sales targets, and I think Smartphone manufacturers are starting to show that the ride is bumpier than one would hope.

There are those who seem to feel like Sony has them by the balls and they have no choice but to pay up. That just amounts to someone playing a victim in order to justify their addiction to having the newest shit. It's a common behavior among compulsive people.
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I understand that point of view. It's not that I don't know why, it's just that it's unnecessary, especially when no one is being excluded. If there were exclusive games being produced for the 4K, it would be completely different, and pretty unfair. In that situation, even if you had a ton of money, it would be some shady and subversive tactics.

Also, it's ok to not have the newest new thing. I think people who are controlled by that mentality should deal with their own problems, not corporations making new versions of their products. You sound like you agree with that, though.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Standards change. Expecting an entire industry to be like it was in 1998 is silly.
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I think you mean 2013* You know since the ps3/x360 didn't have significant upgrades. Its amazing how many people act like people should of seen this coming 3 years into a consoles life span when it hasn't happened before.
 
ninjablade said:
Honestly just expect sony to push 60fps on PS4K, since they have been really pushing it in remasters.
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Actually expect the opposite. The major boost in performance here is the GPU and not the CPU. Visual differences will be a much larger factor than raw performance. Framerates in many games are very CPU dependant
 
IcyRhythms said:
Does Sony really fear NX? If Nintendo doesn't receive the same level of third party support...well....
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Sony can't take any chances. Having the "best console hardware" is a selling point for them now. They have no choice but they do this.

"PLAY IT BEST ON PLAYSTATION!!!!"

And hey! I think you're a YouTuber and I've seen your content before.
 
Consumer said:
1080p --> 4k
2 player co-op --> 4 player co-op
Unlocked 30/60fps --> locked 30/60fps

And they're charging the same price (more in Canada) for these marginal, negligible "upgrades" as the original PS4. Of course people are upset we're not getting a proper console upgrade.
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Would this go against the "no additonal features" policy or would just be considered an upgrade to a feature on PSpoor?
 
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