Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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You won't get situations where PS4 runs at 30 and Neo runs at 60, that would require a significant upgrade...more significant that everything that had been hinted at so far.
What you will get however is situations where say the next BF is 1080P while holding a fairly stable 60FPS than 900P and sort of fluctuating 60FPS on PS4. Or FFXV would be solid 30 at 1080P, while on PS4 it'll be the way it was in the demo.
What you will get however is situations where say the next BF is 1080P while holding a fairly stable 60FPS than 900P and sort of fluctuating 60FPS on PS4. Or FFXV would be solid 30 at 1080P, while on PS4 it'll be the way it was in the demo.
PS3 had far worse performance issues than PS4 has in the same timeframe. And still PS3 went on for 8 years strong.
Most casual gamers (which is the vast majority of the user base) are not that crazy over graphics and performance. The few hardcore of us here that do, are only a fraction of the user base.
My point is, consoles were always like this. And console users in a way are aware of this.
I honestly dont think that Sony is releasing a PS4.5 because they are losing people to the PC market...
FantasticMrSnake
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%30 more CPU and ~10% more GPU, I'm in if the price is right.
It's going to be painful to get rid of my MGS Ps4 edition =(, maybe if they are identical physically I can switch cases?
It will have a weird phase or frame drops, digital foundry explains it very well why in their last dark souls video, I hope they fix it for this.
It's going to be painful to get rid of my MGS Ps4 edition =(, maybe if they are identical physically I can switch cases?
It will have a weird phase or frame drops, digital foundry explains it very well why in their last dark souls video, I hope they fix it for this.
Theman2k
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Well, at least I guess that webm I did a couple years ago is relevant as ever. 
http://a.pomf.se/vscbys.webm
http://a.pomf.se/vscbys.webm
Toadthemushroom
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I wonder if prior rumors of CPU not finally decided was a doubt between going on with Jaguar/Puma or jumping Zen. Reading reviews about Puma+ at 28nm, 4 cores have a tdp of circa 5 watts with a turbo clock of 2,2 GHz (just tablet world consumption) and are barely more capable than an APPLE A7 cpu... Today an APPLE A9 cpu at 14nm would eat it for breakfast:
Discovery tablet with 4 Puma+ cores versus an IPAD AIR 1/Iphone 5s (with APPLE A7):
Maybe the Giant Bomb document is still not set in stone and we have a Cerny "8 GB" moment in the end with the CPU.
Yeah, it's a bit depressing that the Apple A9 in the iPhone SE probably has more compute power than 8 core Jaguar, all in a dual core, lower clocked design that also doesn't throttle...
I don't think they will be required. But most will at least put better AA.
Bitch Pudding
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I mean, If I have to get a shiny new console with a shitty cpu, I'd rather the one with the unique library
Well, that's one way to put it...
Offering people a better performance unit is going to kill consoles?
Or are you saying that with this Sony destroys the concept of generational upgrades?
Either way its very unlikely. For the latter point because they are still tying it to PS4. although the next true Playstation may have an element of BC to it in the same manner this is, they are still at this current moment giving development priority and ecosystem priority to the unit they made in 2013.
That is the basic concept of generations at this point, when the numbered entrees come along. And i don't think they will stop numbered entrees for a while longer(i won't allow them to stop until PS9)
Or, they're using their position as global market leaders and introducing a premium version of an existing product simply because they can.
Virtually every major consumer electronic product on the market has a base model(s) and premium model(s).
PlayStations will now have that same tiered approach.
That was wapplew's post, not me!
D:
Being a generation extender implies that the PS4K is necessary in order to support the OGPS4 up until the PS5, and that doesn't make sense.
wapplew
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Why not? Everyone talk about iterative upgrade is the future, Neo is the first step towards that.
Edit: Not that I agree console have to adapt iterative model to survive.
lol
I for one never believed it.Not for a sec.
Those companies always says what we wanna hear.
The key part is to use what's inside the head.
Glad I got rid of it after playing tlou.
Those who are still chasing 60fps. Good luck.
dealer-
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Yeah will be interesting to see if they actually put effort in to making the most of these new specs. I guess people will be pissed if they buy PS4K and the games pretty much look and play the same.
And Sony, please make it quiet this time, my PS4 sounds like a hair dryer every day now.
SmartWaffles
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What. They are trying to strengthen their own product line.
All we know is that FPS is required to be the same or better. So its possible devs can upgrade the IQ and fidelity of the game while leaving the basic FPS goal the same, with a more stable outcome than OG PS4
Dr Frasier Crane
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Imagine if the PS4K also came with capability to emulate PS1/2 and PS3!
Hold me close now.
Hold me close now.
StrongBlackVine
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Who said this has anything to do with the PC market? PC certainly hasn't hurt PS4 sales.
Not happening with that rumored CPU.
curious to see what the xbox 1.5 is. since Microsoft designed the xbox to be built on windows and virtual machines it allows them greater freedom in hardware changes.
if Microsoft gets aggressive they could out power the ps4k and then do something crazy like a trade in program which could steal a good chunk of sonys user base.
if Microsoft gets aggressive they could out power the ps4k and then do something crazy like a trade in program which could steal a good chunk of sonys user base.
Wasn´t VR one of the most constant marketing tools for PS4 from the get go and for several years by now? If you need the new PS4 revision to have a passable performance and basically have to buy a new system to have such an experience now, early adopters really must feel beeing cheated.
There was never any reason to ignore PC gaming until now to begin with, lol
A tiered console product line doesn't invalidate console gaming, to be frank.
SpideySenses
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I don't know where to begin with n3DS stupidity, the name, the specs and how they've rarely been used, the bullshit with the SNES emulator, not to mention the portable NX around the corner to make it even more redundant. I'll concede the point on GBC though, it's a testament to Nintendo that they were able to market it and not muddy the waters and make it seem so distinct, something they failed to do with n3DS.
I already said that. I'm sure another reason was because they did it just because it was possible with 16nm and the leeway 16nm gives, which gave them an opportunity to secure more of the marketplace with 2 SKU's for two types of consumer
Inuhanyou did. Look at the quoted post at the top of the page. I was responding to that.
I could see why someone would jump to PC gaming over this. If consoles just turn into a PC environment (upgrades) without PC gaming benefits, I'd rather just get a PC.
SmartWaffles
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People still overestimate the appeal of PC gaming to average players outside of gaf. No, PS4.5 is to fix a problem of their own of this generation that shouldn't be there in the first place, it has nothing to do with the so called "console vs pc war".
Not if they want to keep the simplicity of one unified codebase. And since individual Jaguar core is so weak, adding more cores won't automatically solve problems, as it means nothing if developers don't optimize their own code to utilize additional cores.
Not if they want to keep the simplicity of one unified codebase. And since individual Jaguar core is so weak, adding more cores won't automatically solve problems, as it means nothing if developers don't optimize their own code to utilize additional cores.
And entirely mess up compatibility? Nein
ninjablade
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Sorry but this doesn't make any sense, I've always been interested in pc cause of the much better performance, but I don't own a pc. I would need a pretty big investment, plus miss out in some great sony exlusives, plus the headache of building a pc and the room needed for it, with ps4k I can to sell my ps4, 2 weeks before ps4k and upgrade for 150$.
amstradcpc
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The problem is next year with HBM 2 GPUs will be so small that you can buy a small form pc similar in size to a console with all the best and whistles and buy the same games at steam for half or 2/3 the price of consoles versions and run them at way greater frame rates (CPUs being 5 times more powerful helps, a lot).
Is dangerous to make an iterative jump if the jump is in fact so small that your attention for new hardware goes for better options.
I hope MS does not follow this and just releases a completely new console end of 2017 with full backwards compatibility trickery. I don't know if I'm ready to shell out another 400$ for a very minor incremental update :/
I'll probably end up buying it anyways since I'm a sucker for new gaming tech, but I will be angry doing so...
I'll probably end up buying it anyways since I'm a sucker for new gaming tech, but I will be angry doing so...
SmartWaffles
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This generation isn't even remotely cutting edge in the first place. It is massively behind the tide before it's even born.
Are you talking about exclusively playing on consoles?
I can't relate to that because I've been gaming on both platforms for decades.
My point was that Sony introducing a tiered product line doesn't suddenly invalidate consoles, as some folks in this thread are insinuating when they say stuff like "I'm moving to PC".
amstradcpc
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This. If new things are out why spend the money on the worse one?.
Bitch Pudding
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The difference between multiplat XBOX and PSPoor Uncharted 4 is already staggering, so.. yes?
So why on earth would you consider it now? I seriously don't get this "argument".... You will leave behind the PlayStation ecosystem and all the games you've got to jump aboard PC gaming. Even if you already have a decent gaming PC the cost of a significant upgrade to your rig (a new GPU being the primary option for that) you're looking at about the same cost as upgrading that one component as it will cost to trade in your PS4 and upgradeto the PS4K. Nevermind everything else. And if you need to buy a new gaming PC to get you started then that money can easily buy you a PS4K and PS5 when that eventually comes out which will sustain you in up to date gaming for probably the next 10 years.
SprachBrooks
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The latter. No way in hell will developers go back and update their games. Maybe in fantasy land.
ChaoticBlue
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whoa, hold on there...
this is not about sony wanting to take on the pc market. ps4 already has a larger market than pc.
this is about sony wanting to push 4K market. they have lots of incentives to do so.
this is not about sony wanting to take on the pc market. ps4 already has a larger market than pc.
this is about sony wanting to push 4K market. they have lots of incentives to do so.
Let them dream man.
Imagine the meltdowns if Microsoft let Xbox die and goes with Surface tablets
You are very confident in this thred about a mega powerful XBO..
Price has to be one factor here. Their thinking is probably that the CPU isn't the real bottleneck and upgrading it significantly would make the price go up too much.
lol wut? by what metric? Steam alone has a userbase of like 65 million