MisterHero
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This is a longshot bet, but Suicide Squad may be a shortcut to having a bunch of B-list villains fleshing out a Legion of Doom-type thing.
Would you want Lex in SS 2?
Would you want Lex in SS 2?
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DC Cinematic Universe |OT| Superfriends with Benefits
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Films should have supporting characters. Why is it a problem if that supporting cast has other heroes included in it?
Is Winter Solider bad for having two or three other "heroes" in it's supporting cast? Black Widow, Falcon, and Nick Fury? Iron Man 2 and 3 has War Machine. Hell a lot IM's supporting cast are comic characters. Thor films have the Warrior's Four and Heimdall who all really should get more screen time and even Loki in the second one.
Characters appear in other characters books all the time. Especially since not everyone has titles of their own. Some are supporting characters of others from time to time. The movies shouldn't go out of their way to not reflect this. If you have access to the characters use them instead of making completely brand new characters.
Is Winter Solider bad for having two or three other "heroes" in it's supporting cast? Black Widow, Falcon, and Nick Fury? Iron Man 2 and 3 has War Machine. Hell a lot IM's supporting cast are comic characters. Thor films have the Warrior's Four and Heimdall who all really should get more screen time and even Loki in the second one.
Characters appear in other characters books all the time. Especially since not everyone has titles of their own. Some are supporting characters of others from time to time. The movies shouldn't go out of their way to not reflect this. If you have access to the characters use them instead of making completely brand new characters.
unholyrevenger72
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My green Lantern Corps set up
Sinestro and Abin Sur are on earth and are all like. "Why do you guys still have religion in your politics? Every race in the universe that is as technologically advanced as you have removed religion from politics entirely. And why the hell is my ring not working properly?" They do some research, notice the massive culture of fear on earth. They research all of the surrounding inhabited systems and find that earth is the center of a massive, cultural progression sink hole, where fear is pervasive. They dig deeper into the earth's history but that knowledge is deemed forbidden by the Guardians. They confront the guardians and the guardians spill the beans. 65 million year ago the Guardians of the Universe, banished and imprisoned Parallax on Earth and the reason the movies are so glum so far is because Parallax's presence on earth is pervading the subconsciousness of humans.
Also bring back Mark Strong, and Parallax will be more Lovecraftian in design and not a Diarrhea Shart. And most of the Justice League will appear.
GringoSuave89
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I'd find this an acceptable retcon
pitch this to WB/DC. i doubt they've even that thatfar ahead. shoudln't be too hard ot make happen
Unspeakable Evil
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DC should scrap Green Lantern/Cyborg and make a Teen Titans movie.
unholyrevenger72
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still needs a second and third act, a tangible bad guy, introduction of the human green lanterns
broncobuster
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Harley's one of those non-comic media designs I want looping back into the comics.
KonradLaw
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It makes sense for Green Lantern. THe whole corps structure is the best thing about it. It's much better story if it's about what's essentially a space opera police force than if it would be about lone superhero with funky ring.
GringoSuave89
Banned
your username is very accurate.
I still don't know about the normal American accent. Harley's always been written with a New York accent, and it feels weird to not have such a defining characteristic of her.
Agreed.
Future Foundation
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Ensemble movies (which is what Suicide Squad and GLC are) existed long before Avengers.
unholyrevenger72
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she still has it. it's just not as pronounced
ThoseDeafMutes
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There's only a very slim difference between a team movie (i.e. X-men, Guardians of the Galaxy) and an ensemble movie (i.e. Avengers, kind of BvS), which is that the latter features characters that exist independently in other movies. I mean Wolverine got his own movie series but that's kind of a special case. You didn't need 5 solo movies before X-men, while audiences probably wouldn't have been as accepting of The Avengers straight up since all of those characters weren't really known and have weird origin stories that aren't related to each other. You can get away with jumping straight into GL corps since the existence of the corps isn't much of a leap from the existence of one GL agent.
I don't think you really ever -need- to set up an ensemble movie. Ocean's Eleven didn't need 11 solo films with each character in some drama/comedy to introduce the audience to these quirky characters with weird origins. You can release a Justice League or Avengers movie fine without any solo films and people will watch them fine. The Marvel method isn't something that was required, it is simply something that's very clever commercially because their end game plan wasn't just to lead up to and sell an Avengers movie, it was to have a bunch of independent films and sequels they could release every 2-3 years between "event" films. It's not a necessity of narrative or story that led to this, but the desire of more money.
Kenzodielocke
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Yeah, it always depends on the execution.
ThoseDeafMutes
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When I say avengers wouldn't have been "as accepted", what I mean was it wouldn't have done as well without the set up. It would have tracked closer to the earlier solo films without that.
It's not that they think it will happen
They just want it to happen because they don't like the superhero genre movies.
It's like hating on AAA games and the current flavor of the generation: shooter fatigue, open world fatigue, etc
Halcyon
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yes thanks!
It's not that hard to understand. For the past few years, the MCU has been on the forefront of movie discussions and those tend to follow an already recognized formula. Even the biggest fan could admit that the movies could be virtually indistinguishable to people who simply don't care to look too hard. They share a lot of the same actors, the same aesthetics, and generally tend to follow the same story beats. Sooner or later, people are going to get tired of it and that's something that happens all the time with big franchises. Just look at videogames and how people who complained about FPS fatigue are now complaining about open world fatigue. It's a standard cycle. It's a result of too much too soon.
I don't mean to single out Marvel either. It's just that they're the easiest to point to because they have been really great at keeping up their release schedule. In my opinion, the specific fatigue those fans are lamenting can be extended to Hollywood Blockbusters in general. When I saw the trailer for the new Independence Day a few days ago, while it does look kinda cool, a lot of those scenes look they could have been part of a Transformers movie. I'm a little tired of the destruction porn that is seeping into these flicks as well.
Schweinehund
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I think most the films will be solos, but there's an outside chance Shazam might have Mary Marvel, but I think that's slim and I'd prefer them not to. Adding in Mary & Freddy makes it a bit too campy for me, atleast for the first film. I would like to see Mary at some point though.
I think they'll add cameos though, we already know Batman will be in WW's present day scenes.
Yeah I watched up to Season 3 and I liked all the seasons. Four's concept didn't really hit home with me but I'll probably give it a go some time later.
It was hilarious seeing Teddy Sears in season 1 though, if keep up with Flash as well.
I think they'll add cameos though, we already know Batman will be in WW's present day scenes.
Yeah I watched up to Season 3 and I liked all the seasons. Four's concept didn't really hit home with me but I'll probably give it a go some time later.
It was hilarious seeing Teddy Sears in season 1 though, if keep up with Flash as well.
Haha, yea that threw me off at first but I really enjoyed him and Quinto together.
On topic, I don't think Batman being in WW was confirmed. Just a rumor that hasn't been brought up again since it first dropped. The current rumor is Superman because Cavill didn't deny he was in it when asked.
DecoReturns
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Well I'm kinda fatigue. Been waiting for DC for so long and I disliked BvS, I think If I find Suicide Squad, I'm skipping the rest of the movies. I've skipped the last few Marvel movies and have no desire to see Civil War or X-man.
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Lord Virgin
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This is kinda cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iROY49Bsxfk
SENPAIatLARGE
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Does anyone have the WebM of Batman crushing that guys head with his Batmobile? I saw it floating around on /co and I really want to show it to my friends who haven't seen the movie.
This is an interesting article
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/
He has some offbeat ideas, I agree with a lot of what he says.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-dc-must-do-to-keep-up-with-marvel/
He has some offbeat ideas, I agree with a lot of what he says.
Future Foundation
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Goddamn, still with this shit?
Smokey_Run
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If someone wanted to tank the DCEU real quick, they'd follow his suggestions.
Hey, you know Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, etc? Yeah, let's not do them because they have a history. Instead use Doctor Fate, Captain Atom, or Starman!
Hey, you know the one part most people liked about BvS, Batman? Yeah, let's wait until we have two consecutive well received Superman movies before we have a Batman movie!
He says SS sucks because they're doing reshoots to add humor, too.
That was fucking badass. There was another guy at the back of the truck when that happened and he's like wtf is going on? And that shot where the batmobile goes through a boat in slow motion: Zack Snyder in a nutshell.
Corpsepyre
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Cracked can fuck off. They have been onto DC/WB's ass for a while. They keep posting article after article on how it blows.
I do want a Swamp Thing film down the line though.
I do want a Swamp Thing film down the line though.
He also shits on the Flash CW show but I'm pretty sure it's doing quite well for them. Also failed to mention 2 Ghost Rider films and 2 Hulk films in Marvel's release list along with X-Men Origins.
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Lord Virgin
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That is not an interesting article. Just the boring old shit we've heard since BvS came out (hell, even before it) with more dumb stuff in it. And those ideas are terrible, perfect example of what you get when people on the internet think they know better.
Future Foundation
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I think he was just going "Marvel-in-general" because he name-dropped Blade for "off-the-beaten-path" characters.
He name dropped Blade because it was actually successful. On the dud side of things, he never brought up those films. I get the generalization and not listing off EVERY property, but Ghost Rider was horrible and HULK got 2 chances at doing something and Origins killed a franchise right out of the gate. Oh...forgot about Punisher too.
Future Foundation
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No Origins, but he names/references (multiple) Fantastic Four movies, Man-Thing, Daredevil, and Elektra as some of their failures. I think Clay is talking about Marvel as a whole (Fox, Columbia, Disney, etc.) because he mentions "38" of their movies.
That was cool. Now I want to watch BvS again.
I zoned out after this dumb idiotic and quite frankly incorrect statement.
EDIT: I made the mistake of reading the first page of that garbage piece... something about Marvel doing Fantastic Four and Blade before doing Avengers and that DC should stop everything and that DC should break up with WB and get other companies to make their movies... so so stupid lol... half a minute of research would refute all these dumb points. I guess when you have a platform you can post whatever you want and hope enough people believe you.
unholyrevenger72
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None of those ideas are offbeat, all he does is expand on "Do it the Marvel way"
KDash31987
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Anyone here collect the DC Comics Multiverse Batman v Superman figures? The last two are starting to pop up in stores. I don't know why they went with Bat Creature. They had so many other options left, like Doomsday, Clark, Bruce, Lois, Alfred, Superman Soldier, Parademon, Flash, Cyborg, etcetera.
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