Yea.. thats a good way to put it.
Its funny, cuz i like to look at the headlines, but overall,i don't read reviews until after the fact.
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Yea.. thats a good way to put it.
Its funny, cuz i like to look at the headlines, but overall,i don't read reviews until after the fact.
He is really good.
Omnistalgic
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Oh yeah, I do like that aspect of Tomb Raider where I'm learning abilities, even if they are pretty useless end game or it feels like this is stuff I should have been able to do at the start like "roll twice lol" but once you buy in, it's a nice reward for players I guess. Nothing wrong with liking that aspect about TR better. For me though, once I buy in to Uncharted, that goes away as well and I'm just having a great time picking up and playing each chapter. The progression in uncharted is the amazing storytelling, that's my reward. I feel TR needs those RPG lite elements because the story and acting isn't as strong. It works in that game, maybe it could work in UC4 as well, but so far I haven't missed it. Speaking of, I have to go back and finish the first one, I got to like 66% done with the game and I had a save bug that brought me all the way back to the beginning!!! I' was 100% levels and everything and then bam!!! I've never forgiving the devs and now it just sits and looks at me from the digital game library like "you know you want this platinum" -_-
OrbitalBeard
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I'm kind of worried about this as well. Left Behind disappointed me for the most part. I don't need a lot of action to be satisfied, but if a big chunk of U4 is simply being forced to walk slowly and listen to characters talk, it's going to disappoint me. Hopefully that's not the case. If we're talking less combat but more exploration and puzzle-solving, I'm totally ok with that.
Kenzodielocke
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Yeah, we live in times where everybody can be well informed about a game without reading reviews. I don't know what the last game was I bought or didn't bought because of the reviews.
What would you consider UC3s setpieces?
Chataeu
Plane
Convoy
edit: Can't believe I forgot the Cruise Ship and I just finished the game on Wed.
Sounds right to me, though my personal highlight is the big puzzle in the temple. It's not an action set piece but it was sooo good. Maybe you could count the escape with Jeff as one?
Really? The latest demo had amazing looking smoke effects I thought.
RIP Jeff.
ScaryShark
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Cruise ship, which is the best of the bunch as far as spectacle to me.
I'd add cruise ship, hanging on that chandelier will stay with me forever.
But it seems like we are at a time where reviews dictate our decision of buying the game or not. I know a lot of people buying games based on metacitric.
Especially infuriating while doing a speedrun. The first game where I really notice how annoying this kind of crap is was probably Modern Warfare 2.
Doug Heffernan
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Wow, those are some nice scores. Congrats to the Naughty Dog team.
Now if they offer up a $299 1TB black friday bundle with UC4, Drake Collection, TLOU and an extra controller I might find that really hard to resist.
Now if they offer up a $299 1TB black friday bundle with UC4, Drake Collection, TLOU and an extra controller I might find that really hard to resist.
Yep, thanks for the input Jeff.
OrbitalBeard
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Damn, that would be a hell of a bundle.
generic_username
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What an absolute disappointment. It totally misunderstands the uniqueness of Uncharted versus a TLOU. I will still play it because I love these characters but man that is such a bummer. I hope I still enjoy it given the sublime mechanics but urgh....
WordsintheWater
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I understand where you are coming from, but watching any amount of footage of UC4 you can see that there are new mechanics in play, saying there isn't any is disingenuous.
I also heard that it has the best set piece in the whole series. Read the Giantbomb review to put your mind at rest, it seriously got me hyped.
The rope swing alone is a whole new mechanic for Uncharted.
MegaSackman
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For me the best Uncharted 2 set piece is the "Cat and Mouse" chapter (surviving the tank), and someone here said that Uncharted 4 has a lot action like it so that got me quite hyped!
OrbitalBeard
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If we're talking actual exploration and puzzle-solving, I'm personally fine with losing some combat.
If the "exploration" is akin to walking slowly through a mall, I'm going to be disappointed.
Necro900
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Damn, thanks for posting this! Now I know i'll have to resist the urge to open the artbook.. why would they put spoilers in there?
So, PSA: Don't open the artbook if you bought the special edition or the libertalia edition. Seems like there are both minor and major spoilers in there.
generic_username
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That is good to hear as long as it is not the E3 one with the extended demo because that would be even more infuriating given that there are fewer set pieces this time.
Agreed. Puzzle - solving is perfectly fine. I also will not mind the lesser combat if there is actually robust platforming that is atleast fairly challenging this time around. Not sure what you mean by exploration though because to me exploration should also involve challenges ( combat, puzzles, platforming etc.. ) Just walking around in a pretty area for a majority of the game would be disappointing so I am unsure if we can separate exploration from puzzles, combat and platforming.
It's the "no new mechanics" thing which is completely ridiculous.
I played the Beta and encountered two new mechanics.
Sliding and rope swinging.
And from the gameplay demos we know there are at least two new mechanics.
Piton and driving.
So from the beta she's immediately wrong and then from the videos she's wrong and people are on-record saying there's some more to the game later on, so based on multiple other perspectives, she's wrong.
OmegaTreeFish
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Well reviews, impressions and the desire to play a pvp tps has got me to pre-order this and re sub to ps+. Roll on may 10th.
The overwatch beta has just added to the fact im just not into fps's that much anymore. And i remeber gopd impression of U4 multiplayer beta. Hopefully i like it and it has a lasting community. I know TLoU one lasted a long time.
The overwatch beta has just added to the fact im just not into fps's that much anymore. And i remeber gopd impression of U4 multiplayer beta. Hopefully i like it and it has a lasting community. I know TLoU one lasted a long time.
I must have not seen it yet. Makes sense if they would throw the best at the end.
Primethius
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Yep, those ones. But those I felt had less control over Drake then the UC2 ones.
Eh, I wasn't too impressed with it. In a game with so many impressice graphical features, it stood out.
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To be honest I think the problem facing reviewers is that really haven't got too much of substance to work with thanks to ND's ridiculously high proficiency in all areas. As such when they really aren't that invested in the franchise generally, they have to scratch around a lot to try and justify not gushing over it. Hence so many nit-packs that almost all games of a similar style are equally guilty of being overblown.
Delivering a near-perfect rendition of a song someone is bored with isn't going to make them love it all of sudden. That seems to me to be the nub of it.
Its a weird thing and really depends on what you expect the role of the reviewer to be; an impartial reporter serving the needs/tastes of their audience, or an honest commentator relaying their own subjective experience and reaction? Both aspects need not be mutually exclusive too.
Delivering a near-perfect rendition of a song someone is bored with isn't going to make them love it all of sudden. That seems to me to be the nub of it.
Its a weird thing and really depends on what you expect the role of the reviewer to be; an impartial reporter serving the needs/tastes of their audience, or an honest commentator relaying their own subjective experience and reaction? Both aspects need not be mutually exclusive too.
As much as FPS is the origin of a lot of greatness, and there are countless FPS' I love, I honestly think TPS is where innovation has sat for the last 10 years, and I'm starting to think TPS has more inherently playable qualities to it than FPS.
OrbitalBeard
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Where does she say there aren't any new mechanics? She discusses them in her review.
GribbleGrunger
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It's not the score that bothers me (why should it, it's not a bad score) it's the 'reasons' for that score. I'm sure most people in this thread are bothered for the same reason I am.
OmegaTreeFish
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Yup i agree. Its why i have started to prefere them over the years. The increased awareness also changes how you play dramatically.
WordsintheWater
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And according to people who have played it on here, it changes the game up quite a bit
nelsonroyale
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Hmm, I haven't played 4 yet, but I have completed the first three. I think the sequence shown in the E3 2015 footage definitely tops anything in the first three in terms of spectacle.
I personally am excited that they are trying to do more stuff without shooting. If videogames want to elevate as an art form, they need to get include more interesting stuff to do other than just killing...This is an action adventure...of course adventure should be a bit element.
It's the biggest game this year so far alongside with Division. of course he will.
he usually reviews the biggest and most talked about mainstream games and the rest is a maybe.
OrbitalBeard
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And this is specifically mentioned in her review as a new gameplay element. It obviously didn't wow her as much as others, but she's not being dishonest.
I'm not understanding where this is coming from. Lucy never claims there are no new mechanics in the game.
XxRampage07xX
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It will be a shame if he doesn't review the game, because his reviews are freaking awesome.
Like I said in my post earlier, this is factually wrong that the game has no new mechanics. It's not just her though. I've seen other reviewers being wrong about details in their review or just not elaborate at all on important things like gun play. Seriously you're a reviewer... why wouldn't you talk more about this.
EDIT: So does that mean Gamerman was wrong? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202804649&postcount=4544
I thought he gave a summary of her review. I'm not going to read the actually IGN review because I want to avoid spoilers.
I thought he was giving a summary of the video impressions with the Beyond guys..... Confused now.
Papacheeks
Banned
DId she also include in her review the New design philosophy in levels? There lots that you can do. If you have the jeep you can ram people, certain structures. You can actually use stealth outside of just being in cover or hanging from a ledge, and enemies have indicators that they never had in any uncharted letting you know how alert they are.
There's a lot of dynamics added to the base of uncharted which is melee, shooting, blind fire, behind cover takedowns.
Yeah, I think this is correct. I missed the the "beyond podcast" part.
WordsintheWater
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I'm going by what gamerMan said about her reasoning. I didn't read the review myself, I'm trying to avoid everything I can about this game before I play it.
ViewtifulJC
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-5 minute train opening
-2 hours of museum and UC1 jungle adventures with Sully and Chloe
-30 seconds of running from a convoy opening in Nepal, then a lot of extended action sequences with Chloe until the big climax with the Helicopter(so that's 1)
-Outside one pre-requiste gunfight with six dudes, you then meat up with Elena and that's about 40 minutes of traversal and cutscenes and exploring that big temple place and then you fight your way out. You then go off with Elena and there's a lot of action mixed in with the required traversal bits.
-You get on the train...that counts as setpiece 2, about halfway through the game. Its a long hallway of combat that goes across multiple chapters. Then you crash, then there's even another fight out in the snow.
-Finally you get the village, and you actually get to mess around with Tenzin in the snow caves for a hour. Not a lot of combat, mostly traversal, environmental interactions, couple NPCs, that kind of thing.
-The village attack! Giant tank is there...I suppose this is #3 set piece about 8-9 hours into the game. Big action chapter, which leads right into Convoy, which I guess can be a separate #4.
-Monastery chapters with Elena. There's some traversal here, and even one pitiful attempt at a puzzle with the boxes and all that, but its mostly a parade of action sequences. Like you cant go five minutes without running into more bad guys.
-Finally get to the entrance and of course the bad guys are waiting for you there. There's some more traversal bits with Flynn, there's the spinning colunms puzzle, and that annoying fight with the gorilla/orge/monster people.
-Finally get to the end game place, and you get a cutscene or two and maybe you have to push a cart to reach a ledge, but most of the time is taken up fighting more of the same bad guys you've been fighting for half the game now, with the addition of newly annoying enemies who like to rush you and soak up damage.
-Then there's a mediocre final boss fight, so...set piece #5?
So yeah...not THAT many set pieces spread over 12 hours of gameplay. I mean there's the train which goes for a long time, but its really more like a new stage then any big scripted sequence like the ship sinking or the whole airplane thing in UC3.
People remember there being more set pieces because they are the big memorable moments in a sea of action. Seriously, there is sooo much combat in UC2. Its kinda funny when people praise its pacing when large sections feel like the equivalent of Horde mode, for all the puzzles or characterization or unique traversal or narrative elements you just don't get for large sections of time.
OrbitalBeard
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His post is referencing Podcast Beyond's opinions of the game. They didn't review it for the site. Lucy never claims the game contains no new mechanics.
Her main issue with Uncharted 4 seems to be its pacing. That's something I really can't comment on until I've played the game from start to finish.
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TetraGenesis
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Well, I'm glad you're not Creative Director at Naughty Dog, then.
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