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other than the fact that the premise of the article is completely inaccurate on multiple levels?
So, Polygon 'playing' Doom...
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other than the fact that the premise of the article is completely inaccurate on multiple levels?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Some of you are legit trying too hard to defend the video. Like real hard. The idea of him completely sucking at the game is not even a question. The man just isn't playing it right. Not only is he not playing it right, but he's missing the basics of gaming. It's not about the threshold of difficulty or how well you can play, it's just amateur. Don't showcase a game if you cannot play it, simple as that. If he is reviewing the game then he shouldn't be because the review will poorly reflect on them. I'm sure 90% of folks that buy Doom don't play like how Polygon played. If the person is not reviewing the game, then he shouldn't have been given the task to play the game in first place. It's a quick, shitty, clickbait cashgrab by Polygon to advertise a playthrough and spend that time dicking around and not showcasing the game.
Don't play a genre or a game or any game if you have never played the genre or the game or any game, and make money off YouTube clicks. You're better than this, Polygon. Are you?
Garme Jurnalizm.
(Honestly. He is playing like how I do when one of my hand is busy, whether busy eating or busy bushing under my pants. I will just assume he was multitasking and his boss was grinding his ass for not multitasking any better).
Don't play a genre or a game or any game if you have never played the genre or the game or any game, and make money off YouTube clicks. You're better than this, Polygon. Are you?
Garme Jurnalizm.
(Honestly. He is playing like how I do when one of my hand is busy, whether busy eating or busy bushing under my pants. I will just assume he was multitasking and his boss was grinding his ass for not multitasking any better).
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Soooo...the fact that Polygon pointed out that a video game tried to show you the horrors of Nazi concentration camps first hand is bad...how?
Same goes for other articles where the mere suggestion that a website would put video games in a cultural context and talk about them in any other way than a review seems to throw some people into a frenzy.
Dancing Queen
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Have you played the game? Or read said article?
The mere fact that they think a video game can accurately convey a "first hand" feeling of a concentration camp is offensive, disgusting, and inaccurate
Additionally, the game is an alternate timeline where there were robots walking around the concentration camp. So, yeah. Not quite a "firsthand" experience
mikefrails
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Not trying to stir the pot here but, who says it can't??
JesseEwiak
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Sure. I know from prior experience how a basketball ball is supposed to dribble or react when I hit a jumper, even if I have no ability to hit said jumper.
Just like somebody I have faith that most reviewers can separate their skill from how the game is working.
Because of the elitism of hardcore gamers and because Polygon is the worst site to ever exist. But mostly the latter - if say, Giantbomb had a video like this where I don't know, Dan played the game this badly, there'd be some bad jokes, but it wouldn't be seen as the death of video games journalism.
Valkyr1983
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No, they probably let someone in the office who doesn't usually play fps give it a try and recorded it on a livestream
CRAZY I KNOW
I'm not a fan of either site, but at least the latter doesn't pretend to be the paragon of video game critique. They are very up front about how they're just a bunch of manchildren fucking around.
So maybe you should be angry at Wolfenstein then for trying to do exactly that by putting you/the character you are controlling in first person into a concentration camp and making you witness some of its horrors and not the magazine literally describing the video they linked to?
I understand those saying they want reviews from a wide spectrum of player skill levels, which is fine, but at the end of the day something like this is like Top Gear hiring someone without a driving license to review a car... it's not really ideal is it?
Ecto311
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I thought it was twitch plays doom sponsored by polygon at first
Plus it's a youtube vid they can take down not just limit the comments (and what a joy those would be) and the thumbs buttons ya know. There is no requirement to leave it up and be mocked over and over on different sites.
Are we really getting into this? The mass graves, the stench, the starvation, the lack of adequate shelter or clothing?
Video games, for as far as they've come, are just an interactive visual medium. What happened in those camps is not something that can be recreated by any kind of texture fidelity or interesting writing.
As I said, it was an alternate timeline and they used it as a plot device. They didn't make the claim that you would feel the horrors of a camp "first hand".
No, seriously, have you played New Order? The game has a very pulpy feel and at no point tries to convey the horrors of concentration camps or whatever. That's what makes the article stupid.
The funny thing is the game does better when he lets go than it does when he controls it lol
JesseEwiak
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So Giantbomb doesn't allow their reviews to be on metacritic?
Clearly the "first hand" simply means "the character you play as in first person" compared to "some guy in a video game tells me something about a concentration camp". So we are arguing semantics, not the fact Chris Plante seemed to find it noteworthy? Would "Wolfenstein puts you into a concentration camp" have been less controversial? Honestly asking, no sarcasm intended.
Also, yeah, I felt like Wolfenstein did try to make me feel pretty fucking bad by putting me into a concentration camp and making me witness some pretty bad stuff in there, alternate timeline or not.
Also, not that it matters because this isn't about how skilled the person who reviews the game for Polygon is or if the person who recorded the video even is the person who reviews it:
Here is Arthur Gies playing Level 3 of the game in a completely normal way
Krappadizzle
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I'm hoping it's as good as Edge's '94 Doom review. If only for a good chuckle.
It's fine however they want to make or choose to do their review. I already bought the game and don't really need to read a review to provide any insight on it. At the end of the day all reviews are opinions. 20 years ago they were more important, but in today's world, you can typically find hours of un-commentated footage to use your own opinions on whether something will probably be enjoyable.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, but sure, put words in my mouth. You're clearly not arguing in good faith anyway.
gunslikewhoa
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That's because I don't have play music or cook food in order to listen or eat. The fact that I have to do neither of those things in order to fully experience them means that being incapable of doing them would have no bearing on my experience. I have to play a videogame in order to experience it. How well I play can affect my experience.
why would they do that? if they have enought people to make the bad decision dinosaur move, they have enough people to have this person not be the one that plays the game on their video exclusive.
This has been somewhat discussed but ive been knocked out sick in bed the last couple days and without really meaning to just be.. mean to any journalist in particular or something.. what the fuck is that video?
is this who's reviewing the game?
first 30 min video: https://youtu.be/9yYp8ZeQ-I8
sorry if its been discussed at length but I didnt find a thread. close if you dont think its deserving of one or just mean spirited but it really calls attention to both who handles the coverage of games on these sites and also the non-surprising state of shooters today
Seems perfectly normal to me. Isn't this how most people look playing shooters?
ClayKavalier
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How did this get published? Sort of crazy that no one saw this and considered "This doesn't paint our ability to interact with the things we write about for a living in the best light, maybe we should have someone else record some gameplay."
Pinko Marx
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Normal people don't get paid to play and review games.
A normal person would probably look silly in a bunch of sports gear trying to do sports things, but when you are paid to sports the expectation of at least BASIC skills is definitely there.
Mechanized
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So I thought to myself, okay, maybe that Gif is exaggerating things a bit. It can't be that bad. Oh, good sweet Jesus, that is just a taste of things to come. I particularly enjoyed the bizarre pistol sniping sesh.
Mechanized
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No not at all. Maybe if this was their first FPS ever, sure.
NoblesseOblige
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We're on GAF. Don't expect many people to identify what is normal when it comes to people playing games.
That looks like how I play COD while eating a plate of nachos.
This has been somewhat discussed but ive been knocked out sick in bed the last couple days and without really meaning to just be.. mean to any journalist in particular or something.. what the fuck is that video?
is this who's reviewing the game?
first 30 min video: https://youtu.be/9yYp8ZeQ-I8
sorry if its been discussed at length but I didnt find a thread. close if you dont think its deserving of one or just mean spirited but it really calls attention to both who handles the coverage of games on these sites and also the non-surprising state of shooters today
Omnii-chan
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Someone should be familiar with gaming to do a professional game review.
That person acts like they've never held a controller before in their life and doesn't understand moving, aiming with the sticks.
I was thinking "he is loading his bowl and playing with one hand on an xbox controller. its immediately recognizable."
then I realized he only had one hand.
ReadingRambo
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Why does the curb theme make everything funnier?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pQ0oO_cDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pQ0oO_cDE
Pinko Marx
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This is exactly the analogy I was thinking of when reading this thread. Someone who doesn't know the first thing about swinging a golf club should have no business reviewing a new set of clubs.
Sure, there is some value in a review from someone who is a newbie to games, but I wouldn't really expect that from a gaming enthusiast's site. This wouldn't be a problem if it were a Forbes contributor or a TIME Magazine piece. But I expect more from sites that cater to gamers.
Parakeetman
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MisterShine
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If this was done as:
"Hey, I'm _____ from Polygon and this is the first time I've seriously played a FPS! Let me start off my illustrious voyage with a re-imagining of the first FPS, DOOM! Let's try and see me get better together!"
This would be hilarious and pretty great.
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This is super duper.
"Hey, I'm _____ from Polygon and this is the first time I've seriously played a FPS! Let me start off my illustrious voyage with a re-imagining of the first FPS, DOOM! Let's try and see me get better together!"
This would be hilarious and pretty great.
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This is super duper.
Danis Saur
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How can I trust reviews if the reviewers play horribly? Starting to seriously consider this matter, I could just ignore Polygon reviews from now on.
a Master Ninja
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That contrast...
NinjamicWZ
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Yeah, buncha freaks with their ability to acclimate to the things they enjoy doing and/or do on a regular basis.
Agree with you completely.
The idea that I would EVER want a review done by someone who isn't extremely knowledgeable about the subject they are reviewing is bunkers to me. Why do I care what joe schmo has to say about a product? If I'm going to a professional website to read reviews, I expect the people on that website to actually be proficient with what they are reviewing.
This extents to showing the game off, too. If they're so bad at the game that they can't properly show off what the game plays like, then you get someone who can.
And I'm not saying the person needs to be some kind of MLG pro or whatever but you differently need someone who has basic knowledge of how to use a controler, this person does not.
That video is not "normal" among gamers.
Maybe that's normal if you hand a controller to someone who has never touched an FPS game before. If that's the case, then those people aren't going to be going on Polygon to see Doom gameplay.
The Spoony Hou
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Yes, there should. People who play games for a living have to know how to play games, ideally at a high level. Of course, I come from the 80s, when to finish a game you actually had to put effort into it, but the idea still stands. People who can't play a game can't give any valuable information on it.
Also, Polygon is a website dedicated to gaming, it's not some newspaper, or "teens react to Doom" (which actually showcases better gameplay than the video does). If Polygon has any integrity they'll hire people who know what they are talking about.
autoduelist
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Eh, I don't agree. I'd rather people review genres they like and are competent at. I don't need to know someone doesn't like turn based games, and I don't need them to review a SRPG for me. Who does? If a game is beginner friendly competent reviewers who are familiar with the genre point it out. For example, competent reviewers would know a good 'beginner' SRPG is Jeanne D'Arc, and a good 'beginner' DRPG is Demon Gaze. However, someone that doesn't like SRPGs or DRPGs would have little of merit to add to the conversation.
Likewise, I'd take reviews from competent FPS players any day of the week. I don't need someone well versed in country music reviewing rap, or vice versa either.
BlanketFort
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Coming into this late like Salsa... out of curiosity - has Polygon addressed this at all?
They disabled comments and the like/dislike, if that counts.
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