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[Subpar Spatula]

I don't see why Bakugo is so unthinkable for some people. You have fan favorite characters like Vegeta who literally killed hundreds of innocent people. What makes Bakugo so unredeemable? And it's not like the manga/anime doesn't recognize him as a piece of shit.

Vegeta was setup properly. This guy isn't. Just because this guy is angry for no raisin doesn't make him at all interesting. His backstory fits because he and his story are both shit. Show would be leagues better without this character. Actually, I liked the idea of the protag. not having powers.

This show hurts my brain.

 

[Permanently A]

I don't see why Bakugo is so unthinkable for some people. You have fan favorite characters like Vegeta who literally killed hundreds of innocent people. What makes Bakugo so unredeemable? And it's not like the manga/anime doesn't recognize him as a piece of shit.

Its really just the way they're written. Vegeta is the Prince of all Saiyans, he's supposed to be running around conquering shit. Which is what makes his eventual redemption all the more impressive.

Bakugou? Bakugou just hates Deku's guts for no good reason. He's not a prince raised for killing from birth. He isn't the inheritor of a lineage of fierce warriors. He doesn't

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go on to redeem himself, at least from what the manga has shown so far.

He's just an asshole with a superiority complex.

 

[Starfish Hero]

It's just that his complete and utter fury toward deku doesn't seem earned. Like this dude is so mad you'd think deku raped his pet puppy when he was a child. Like he is beyond furious and can barely speak or churn out full sentences.

If it wasn't so overdone I think people would accept it a lot easier but oh well. I see what they're getting at so I forgive the execution.

The "Deku vs Bakugo" part of the plot dies down once the other classmates start to develop more. Bakugo doesn't make amends, but he pretty much stops targeting Deku at this point.

 

[Crash Station]

they don't really know much about him being a jackass bully for his entire life because deku and baku didn't bother telling anyone, so expecting them to act on that info is silly

IIda and Ochako know. And I mean even without the class knowing their history, they saw him bolt after Deku after the baseball throw with rage in his eyes and would have straight up attacked him if he wasn't stopped by a teacher. Even before that, he threatened Deku in class a lot and no one gave a shit.

The only way to justify this IMO is if we get an arc that shows quirkless people being seen as subhuman or something. If we do, we should have had some idea about it much earlier, and if we don't, well there's no justification.

 

[Puruzi]

I'm not the only one that feels that way among people caught up with the manga. The guy is incredibly divisive and I've posted before in length how I feel the narrative still isn't treating him like it should be.

No, I'm well aware that people don't like Bakugou. I don't even like Bakugou. I'm just saying that's it weird for you to say the series doesn't treat him like the asshole he his. It definitely does. The students don't admire him as a person, they acknowledge the fact that he's strong as shit.

Very very slight manga spoilers, don't want people to get upset about this stuff.

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There is literally only one person in the school that considers him a friend right now. One. Everyone else doesn't like him at all.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

No, I'm well aware that people don't like Bakugou. I don't even like Bakugou. I'm just saying that's it weird for you to say the series doesn't treat him like the asshole he his. It definitely does. The students don't admire him as a person, they acknowledge the fact that he's strong as shit.

Very very slight manga spoilers, don't want people to get upset about this stuff.

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There is literally only one person in the school that considers him a fiend right now. One. Everyone else doesn't like him at all.

This is Hunter x Hunter type levels of bad where the big institution lets in sociopaths because reasons.

Just because the show acknowledges he's an asshole doesn't mean the rest of it is good. It just means audiences will now have to deal with the show constantly telling you, "hey, we know this guy's an asshole but he's on our side".

 

[Crash Station]

What more do you expect them to do? Shun him? Expel him? The students, including Deku later on, are doing the mature thing, ignoring him.

YES. He has no business being a hero. Expel him and have some faculty keep tabs on him so he doesn't turn to villainy. It's bullshit that a prestigious academy respected for birthing world-renowned heroes accepted someone like him. People should be pissed that their taxes are contributing to a shithead getting his ego stroked when there are clearly far more heroic people that should have been accepted before him, even in the other classes.

 

[Permanently A]

I agree, Bakugo just feels too over the top with his hatred of Deku. Like he seems literally insane and the school needs to give him a mental evalutation before he's ever allowed to be a hero or even come back to class.

Basically this. Bakugou's anger and actions are so over the top and unbelievable in response to what Deku has actually done to Bakugou that it just isn't enjoyable to watch. The motivation is completely flimsy.

 

[Jintor]

IIda and Ochako know. And I mean even without the class knowing their history, they saw him bolt after Deku after the baseball throw with rage in his eyes and would have straight up attacked him if he wasn't stopped by a teacher. Even before that, he threatened Deku in class a lot and no one gave a shit.

Iida and Ochako's read on things is weird and I think they're respecting Deku's approach to the situation. They certainly don't treat Baku like a friend or anything. As for threatening Deku in class, well, Baku threatens everyone in class. All the time. The kid is a raging ball of impulses at all time (well surprisingly less so in battle).

YES. He has no business being a hero. Expel him and have some faculty keep tabs on him so he doesn't turn to villainy. It's bullshit that a prestigious academy respected for birthing world-renowned heroes accepted someone like him. People should be pissed that their taxes are contributing to a shithead getting his ego stroked when there are clearly far more heroic people that should have been accepted before him, even in the other classes.

better to have him in here pissing out than him outside pissing in

 

[Reset]

If you kick him out, he sure seems like a person to end up as a villain. Plus he's the top ranking student and has the most powerful quirk out of all his classmates it seems. They'd have to keep him locked up haha

 

[Starfish Hero]

It's less apparent now because most of the class hasn't done/said much, but

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they are not okay with Bakugo. Almost no one likes him. Bakugo having exactly one friend is actually plot relevant as of the current chapter.

This is Hunter x Hunter type levels of bad where the big institution lets in sociopaths because reasons.

Just because the show acknowledges he's an asshole doesn't mean the rest of it is good. It just means audiences will now have to deal with the show constantly telling you, "hey, we know this guy's an asshole but he's on our side".

One of the main points of the character is to demonstrate that being a hero doesn't make you a good person.

 

[Puruzi]

This is Hunter x Hunter type levels of bad where the big institution lets in sociopaths because reasons.

Just because the show acknowledges he's an asshole doesn't mean the rest of it is good. It just means audiences will now have to deal with the show constantly telling you, "hey, we know this guy's an asshole but he's on our side".

Never said people have to like it. Like I said, I don't like Bakugou. He's annoying as hell and should fuck off, but I still like the series and he doesn't bring it down for me.

 

[cntr]

Okay, expel him.

...then have him actually become a villain? Or a vigilante? Because that's exactly what would happen.

Then we circle around to the fact that he's not evil! Being a shithead is not equivalent to being evil for me, even if it's for you.

 

[Crash Station]

Iida and Ochako's read on things is weird and I think they're respecting Deku's approach to the situation. They certainly don't treat Baku like a friend or anything. As for threatening Deku in class, well, Baku threatens everyone in class. All the time. The kid is a raging ball of impulses at all time (well surprisingly less so in battle).

I meant assaulted in class. In front of a teacher no less.

No, I'm well aware that people don't like Bakugou. I don't even like Bakugou. I'm just saying that's it weird for you to say the series doesn't treat him like the asshole he his. It definitely does. The students don't admire him as a person, they acknowledge the fact that he's strong as shit.

Very very slight manga spoilers, don't want people to get upset about this stuff.

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There is literally only one person in the school that considers him a fiend right now. One. Everyone else doesn't like him at all.

Edited because current arc spoilers.

 

[Jintor]

I don't think he attacked Deku except at the ball throwing thing, and Eraserhead grabbed him before he could do anything.

I disagree about your read on the current manga arc's motivation, at least in the degree you mean it.

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And besides, what else are they gonna do? Leave him to rot?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Meh Im OK with bakugou he's a dick for no reasons but he has his moments here and there all the heroes can't be goody goodies

 

[cntr]

Yo, talk about the current arc in the manga thread.

 

[Crash Station]

Okay, expel him.

...then have him actually become a villain? Or a vigilante? Because that's exactly what would happen.

Then we circle around to the fact that he's not evil! Being a shithead is not equivalent to being evil for me, even if it's for you.

That logic is stupid though. Might as well enroll all the villains that show up throughout the series as well. This isn't a Swedish prison, it's an environment meant to teach and encourage helping people and being selfless. How attitude is not something that's looked for in the enrollment process is totally nonsense. We wouldn't want Frank Castle at this school either.

 

[Puruzi]

current arc spoilers

Gonna be honest, I think you're reading into it way too much and I disagree with how you see it presented, but you're free to interpret it however you want. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[The Silver]

Another thing is, everyone else in the show seems to act relatively "realistically" towards each other, it's only Bakugo who really has these over the top meltdowns and reactions so it feels jarring. And the fact that no one else takes strong action towards him(not liking him isn't enough) feels jarring because again they all act like "normal" human beings towards each other whenever he's not involved.

To justify a nutcase like Bakugo existing and being allowed to stay in a hero school despite clearly showing mental instability they needed to flesh out the hero school and world itself and show that it's "darker" than it seems, or have everyone else act like over top anime crazy people so Bakugo doesn't feel out of place

And maybe they do get into justifying why Bakugo seems to get away with his shit but I can only talk about what they've currently shown

 

[Crash Station]

I don't think he attacked Deku except at the ball throwing thing, and Eraserhead grabbed him before he could do anything.

Very first episode, he scared Deku with an explosion in the middle of class and the teacher's reaction was essentially "oh you silly kids". As I said earlier in the thread, it's the equivalent of waving around a knife, even if the intent was never to stab someone.

 

[Jintor]

i fold on that one. i have nfi what that teacher was doing or thinking, but it clearly wasn't his job

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mind you japanese middle school dealing with bullying is VERY WEIRD because of the japanese constitution. i wonder if that changed much.

How attitude is not something that's looked for in the enrollment process is totally nonsense. We wouldn't want Frank Castle at this school either.

very japanese though, lol. I think they tried with the 'rescue points' but they still ended up tying it to a 'get above a certain number of marks and you win!' system.

 

[cntr]

And maybe they do get into justifying why Bakugo seems to get away with his shit but I can only talk about what they've currently shown

We've already explained why the middle school teachers did it (they overlook it so that they can talk about how they had a glorious successful hero student), but UA keeps him around because he never gets this bad again. He's still really angry and bitter, but he doesn't start attacking Deku again.

 

[Trojita]

i fold on that one. i have nfi what that teacher was doing or thinking, but it clearly wasn't his job

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mind you japanese middle school dealing with bullying is VERY WEIRD because of the japanese constitution. i wonder if that changed much.

My explanation

In a way the quirks are also seen as part of the person and not just a weapon. That teacher seemed kind of nonchalant anyway.

How the teacher sees Bakugou's using his quirk on Deku's desk: "He just got excited"

They can't take their powers away from them like a weapon, they can only tell them not to use them. All of the quirk students were using them in class that day.

 

[Cerium]

Bakugou is a jackass but he's not evil, he doesn't need redemption. His attitude makes him unpopular in class, which is realistic and its own punishment.

I do think that Bakugou's one dimensional character led directly to the author creating

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Todoroki

as a sort of counterpoint.

 

[Moaradin]

I don't see how people are confused why Bakugo would be accepted into a hero academy. The manga/anime shows there are plenty of heroes that aren't the best people. There's even an entire major arc about the

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hero society being corrupt.

 

[Cerium]

The manga/anime shows there are plenty of heroes that aren't the best people.

Yeah it's a little like Watchmen in that regard. I really appreciate that aspect of the series.

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Endeavor

is a bigger son of a bitch than many villains; I mean that dude is straight up evil and he's still beloved as a top hero.

 

[Jintor]

I do think that Bakugou's one dimensional character led directly to the author creating

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Todoroki

as a sort of counterpoint.

oh, i thought he transfered in from ATLA

 

[Starfish Hero]

Manga talk, pm'ing it instead

 

[cntr]

You should post that in the manga thread, Starfish

Edit: oh you edited it out

 

[Modest Mauser]

I love the manga but I'm not feeling the anime like I wanted to.

One of the things I liked about the manga was the brisk pacing but the show really drags in comparison imo.

 

[manfestival]

just watched the first 4 episodes in a row.. I think I really like this show!

 

[Jintor]

I love the manga but I'm not feeling the anime like I wanted to.

One of the things I liked about the manga was the brisk pacing but the show really drags in comparison imo.

yeah it's acceptable but compared to the manga it's just not nearly as explosive

 

[Cerium]

The manga's strongest point is its unmatched pace. You can't recreate that in anime. If they ever went filler arc or some nonsense the wheels would come off.

Hell, waiting a week for new manga chapters is bad enough.

 

[Lunar15]

I will happily trade the pace for how well each individual moment is being handled, though. It's honestly amazing, and the soundtrack is mindblowing.

 

[cntr]

Comics have an advantage since you can "fill in the gaps" between dialogue and panels. A TV show can never do that.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Bakugou is a jackass but he's not evil, he doesn't need redemption. His attitude makes him unpopular in class, which is realistic and its own punishment.

I do think that Bakugou's one dimensional character led directly to the author creating

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Todoroki

as a sort of counterpoint.

Did you just call Bakugo's character "realistic"?

WHAT

 

[Osukaa]

I hated Bakugou so much.....but now I kinda love him...he's so hung up on his superiority complex that when he gets his ass kicked it's just so satisfying lol. So I guess you can say I love to hate him. Lol

 

[Jintor]

The manga's strongest point is its unmatched pace. You can't recreate that in anime. If they ever went filler arc or some nonsense the wheels would come off.

Hell, waiting a week for new manga chapters is bad enough.

They could totally recreate it but I think they're hamstrung by the slot. Deku v Bakugou could easily have been crammed into an episode with some riotous pacing. Even discounting the fucking flashback to same-episode or previous-episode shit there's tonnes of room to trim the fact if they wanted.

 

[cntr]

Did you just call Bakugo's character "realistic"?

WHAT

He's exaggerated, but he's real, yeah.

Look at his backstory. That's how people become like Bakugou in real life.

 

[Trojita]

I heard they also greenlit this anime really early in the manga's life. Wonder what chapter was released when they started prepping to animate the first episode.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I heard they also greenlit this anime really early in the manga's life. Wonder what chapter was released when they started prepping to animate the first episode.

That's the bad part about honestly. Its way to early for the anime its the same problem naruto hard and we know what happened with that anime part 1 filler hell

 

[Puruzi]

Did you just call Bakugo's character "realistic"?

WHAT

No, he didn't.

He said that it's realistic for Bakugou's shitty personality to cause him to be ostracized.

 

[cntr]

That's the bad part about honestly. Its way to early for the anime its the same problem naruto hard and we know what happened with that anime part 1 filler hell

Yeah, thankfully it's seasonal and not long running. No fillers required.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

He's exaggerated, but he's real, yeah.

Look at his backstory. That's how people become like Bakugou in real life.

People in school don't act as extreme as him.

No, he didn't.

He said that it's realistic for Bakugou's shitty personality to cause him to be ostracized.

Bullies are popular as well.

This character is anything but realistic. Dude's a walking emo-edgy-trope.

 

[Jintor]

tbh i'd disagree that's he's ostrasized as such, it's not like they shun him. he just doesn't have any friends/flunkies.

 

[Cerium]

Bullies are popular as well.

This character is anything but realistic. Dude's a walking emo-edgy-trope.

Bakugou doesn't strike me as emo at all.

Todoroki is emo but he has good reasons and everyone loves him anyway.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Bakugou doesn't strike me as emo at all.

Todoroki is emo but he has good reasons and everyone loves him anyway.

Dude is 100% emotion. What music do you think this guy listens to? Kanye West? Naw, he's got more Linkin Park than a depressed Chester who just wants Shinoda by his side.

That's beside the overall point, the character is awful, grating, and doesn't need to exist. They need to tone that shit down ASAP if they want this show to be somewhat alright.

 

[Jintor]

lmao that's not what emo means

doesn't need to exist - lol what. under what metrics. what kind of complaint even is that. awful, grating, fine, personal opinion. doesn't need to exist? the whole series doesn't need to exist. I dunno what you mean dude

 

[Cerium]

Dude is 100% emotion.

That's not what emo means.