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[Randolph Freelander]

I doubt you'll find many people arguing against waiting until tomorrow to announce her clinching the nomination. The Democrats, Obama, Hillary, they all wanted to wait until tomorrow, otherwise they would have rolled out these extra supers themselves.

But the way you keep talking about this looking like fraud is what's annoying. You have to have an incredibly warped worldview to think there is any wrongdoing here.

I believe you have me confused with somebody else. I have never said fraud. I've made 3 posts in this thread, and I support Hillary over Bernie anyway. (I don't think he can win in November, despite what H2H polls have said.) If you're drawing too much from "finger on the scale," don't. Think of what the Bernie-or-bust crowd must be thinking, though.

 

[Y2Kev]

So happy. :')

 

[plagiarize]

I don't know what that person was alluding to, but I think it's massively hypocritical to support Bernie Sanders because of his science-based position on global warming, but then turn around and support the largely anti-vaccination, anti-GMO Green party, whose positions can quite literally help spread famine and disease on the world by denying science.

Last I checked Bernie was also on the anti GMO train but I could be mistaken.

 

[Primus]

What is hypocritical about that?

It means they don't actually care about Sanders's platform at all, nor the fact that he's on record saying that people should vote for Clinton if Sanders doesn't win the primary.

It also means they're willing to vote for a stridently anti-science candidate just because they got their feelings hurt.

 

[Hige]

The tightening California race is irrelevant at this point.

Hillary Clinton has a 300 delegate lead over Sanders. Bernie could WIN California outright and he still wouldn't win enough delegates to pass Hillary, and Hillary would STILL win enough delegates to be declared the nominee. She was only 24 delegates away from the nomination as of this morning.

I've known that the overall race is a foregone conclusion for months now and I don't believe I've stated otherwise. You just said a little while ago:

Inaccuracies? This is how the system has always worked. It's not the media's fault that some people are new to this.

The race has ALWAYS been called when a candidate reaches the required number of delegates+superdelegates. Sure, supers can change their mind, but it's rare, and it's usually announced. When a super announces their support, unless they later publicly rescind that support their vote is pretty much guaranteed.

This is EXACTLY how Obama was announced the presumptive nominee in '08.

Calling the race a day before the primary is not "EXACTLY" how it was done in 2008. You can't honestly believe that won't depress turnout.

 

[plagiarize]

It means they don't actually care about Sanders's platform at all, nor the fact that he's on record saying that people should vote for Clinton if Sanders doesn't win the primary.

It also means they're willing to vote for a stridently anti-science candidate just because they got their feelings hurt.

Anti science is equally disturbing no matter which side of political spectrum it comes from.

 

[hawk2025]

Last I checked Bernie was also on the anti GMO train but I could be mistaken.

He's for labels (which I disagree with, but that's a whole other story), which is a significantly more reasonable position than spreading wrong and anti-scientific information about GMOs.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

On her wrist. Her fucking. Wrist.

At least put that shit where you can't see it

Hahahaha

My ex did this

They can just get the hair colored black and say it's George Costanza.

 

[Mr. RPG]

As long as Bernie is still running, the war is not over.

 

[Meowster]

I'm so happy for her, I really am elated. Having FFXII and Hillary securing the presumptive nomination all in the same day.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

They called 2008 48 hours before Texas. Texas isn't California, but who cares? Just like Bernie's exit timing doesn't matter, neither does the timing of calling the victory. It's just not a problem.



So then there's no nominee until the end of July even if 90% of the declared superdelegates are declared for Hillary and she wins on every other measure because maybe Bernie will be able to simultaneously flip all the superdelegates to his side and win? I don't really think that's a scenario we need to hold off on. If something happens like Hillary drops dead of a heart attack or the ghost of Chris Kyle arrests her for Benghazi or something between now and the convention, the party will have to find another nominee whether or not the AP has called it for her. That wouldn't be unprecedented either; RFK died on this day in 1968 as the probable nominee.



On the night Hillary lost, mathematically, she delivered a statement saying it wasn't over yet. Five days later, she endorsed Obama. No campaign is going to announce that they've lost until they announce that they've lost.

I never said wait until July, or at least I did not intend to. Yes, I alluded to fluid super delegate votes, but I don't even care about them, as I've also said. Pledged count. Lock up the pledged count -- which will happen as soon as the polls close tomorrow -- and make the call. Without a concession from Sanders (or any other candidate in the same position), it's the proper thing to do in my opinion.

 

[Darryl M R]

Hahahaha

My ex did this

It's crazy how a reverse image search can have me learning so much about a person. Well I hope you two are still on good terms so you could joke about how stupid it is to have that tattoo.

 

[Already Torn]

Anti science is equally disturbing no matter which side of political spectrum it comes from.

Mhmm. That's worse for me than a lot of the stuff Trump says.

As long as Bernie is still running, the war is not over.

*Insert Blackfish gif*

 

[DrForester]

 

[Cipherr]

What is hypocritical about that?

Its shows they don't care about policy. But more than that, it reveals what a lot of people knew and accused them of (but were constantly told wasn't true). That they were holding their vote and support on a cult of personality high and or they were merely voting AGAINST someone, and not for someone.

It was transparent as hell anyway in many cases, but people do enjoy seeing that they were right all along.

 

[Iolo]

I mean, we're the day before the California primary. Just let those people vote. That's all I'm saying, really. I just don't see how this announcement tonight does anyone any favors. It's not helping Hillary and I don't think she's pleased with it, it's certainly not helping Bernie and his displeasure should be quite obvious. Certainly, it's not the AP's job to make anyone happy, but just let the people vote and make the call tomorrow. All it looks like now is someone placing yet another finger on the scale the day before the thing was going to end anyway.

Super delegates are a thing but they probably shouldn't be, or not to the extent that they are. And their votes are still fluid, which is another absurdity. Clinton has the pledged count lead, the popular vote lead, everything is in her favor, but until at least tomorrow's votes -- and because Sanders has not yet conceded -- she has not locked up the pledge count victory. Let that happen, then make the call.

First of all, everyone can still vote. The primaries are still being held. I have to believe anyone voting for Sanders now must be voting for his message, which is great, but calling it now won't affect that. If they're voting because they think he really can still win, then they are impervious to math and won't care when she reaches a majority of pledged delegates, and calling it now still won't affect that.

Second, that's why it's called presumptive.

Third, I agree it was silly to call it now, but they need the clicks.

 

[plagiarize]

He's for labels (which I disagree with, but that's a whole other story), which is a significantly more reasonable position than spreading wrong and anti-scientific information about GMOs.

It's pandering to unscientific worries. It would absolutely hurt GMO sales and advancement and I don't think Bernie is stupid and ignorant of the impact that GMO labelling would have.

 

[davepoobond]

As long as Bernie is still running, the war is not over.

"WAARRRRRR"

 

[royalan]

Calling the race a day before the primary is not "EXACTLY" how it was done in 2008. You can't honestly believe that won't depress turnout.

*ahem*...

They called 2008 48 hours before Texas. Texas isn't California, but who cares? Just like Bernie's exit timing doesn't matter, neither does the timing of calling the victory. It's just not a problem.

The media does not care about the candidates, the voters, or what primaries remain. They care about being the first to call the race.

 

[rjinaz]

As long as Bernie is still running, the war is not over.

The race was called. The 1st place trophy was already given out. Most people have gone home. They are starting to take down the stands. And yet Bernie keeps running around the track for some reason.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

As long as Bernie is still running, the war is not over.

It may be on fire and melting into a puddle, but as long as the engine still runs, I can drive my car.

The race was called. The 1st place trophy was already given out. Most people have gone home. They are starting to take down the stands. And yet Bernie keeps running around the track for some reason.

I like yours better.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

That Bernie tattoo isn't even that bad. It's got a style to it at least.

 

[Dali]

They can just get the hair colored black and say it's George Costanza.

Or leave it as is and say it's Larry David.

 

[streetsahead123]

Calling the race a day before the primary is not "EXACTLY" how it was done in 2008. You can't honestly believe that won't depress turnout.

No, but calling the race when one candidate reaches the delegate benchmark IS exactly how it was done in 2008.

 

[norm9]

Those tattoos are like this year's hoverboards.

 

[megalowho]

Congrats to Hillary, and respect to Bernie. Despite some issues with him as a candidate his convictions are needed on the Democratic ticket, def hoping for a Warren VP pick to carry that torch.

 

[hawk2025]

It's pandering to unscientific worries. It would absolutely hurt GMO sales and advancement and I don't think Bernie is stupid and ignorant of the impact that GMO labelling would have.

Oh, I agree, and have passionately argued against labelling several times. It's a bad idea, and one of his weak points.


Buuut, still not as bad as straight-up spreading fear of GMOs and vaccines directly.

As long as Bernie is still running, the war is not over.

You know how in Mario Kart you get like, 30 seconds or so to finish the race once the winner crosses the line, just so you can say you finished it? But then the game just kinda wraps it up even if you really really really want to finish the last lap but you are still inside Bowser's Castle?

You are right, Bernie has until Friday or so, but he best get to it. Clock's ticking.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

My ex did this

Smart choice.

 

[Y2Kev]

Why is everyone getting tattoos of Danny Devito?

 

[Zornack]

Last I checked Bernie was also on the anti GMO train but I could be mistaken.

Yeah, pretty sure he's anti-gmo, anti-nuclear and pro-alternative medicine. He's not a very pro-science candidate.

I never said wait until July, or at least I did not intend to. Yes, I alluded to fluid super delegate votes, but I don't even care about them, as I've also said. Pledged count. Lock up the pledged count -- which will happen as soon as the polls close tomorrow -- and make the call. Without a concession from Sanders (or any other candidate in the same position), it's the proper thing to do in my opinion.

I understand where you're coming from but, in the end, Clinton has enough delegates. Yes, Sander's could get 90% of the vote tomorrow. But he could also get 50% and get all the super delegates to switch a week later. These are all arbitrary goalposts which the media doesn't care for, all that is important to them is when a candidate has 50% + 1 delegates on their side, which happened tonight.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Or leave it as is and say it's Larry David.

His portrayal is all that people will remember about Bernie in a few years anyway.

 

[MisterShine]

....

2000 or 2004?

 

[cdyhybrid]

Why is everyone getting tattoos of Danny Devito?

I'm pretty sure it's Christopher Lloyd.

 

[Frozenprince]

His portrayal is all that people will remember about Bernie in a few years anyway.

I'm sure they'll remember "god I said/did some stupid shit" too.

Probably not a whole lot about him other than his stump speech or Killer Mike, though.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

His portrayal is all that people will remember about Bernie in a few years anyway.

In much the same way that the most fondly remembered part of the Palin debacle was the SNL sketches with Tina Fey.

Spoiler

And the Lisa Ann porn...

 

[Darryl M R]

Tomorrow I will probably be banned from r/SandersForPresident

 

[Fat4all]

Why is everyone getting tattoos of Danny Devito?

That gives me a great idea.

Let's sew Sanders into the couch and have people insult him.

He'd have to be naked of course.

 

[Stumpokapow]

It means they don't actually care about Sanders's platform at all, nor the fact that he's on record saying that people should vote for Clinton if Sanders doesn't win the primary.

It also means they're willing to vote for a stridently anti-science candidate just because they got their feelings hurt.

I get that you want to beat up on how dumb the Berniebros are, but neither of these things would be hypocritical if true and I don't think either of them are true. It's possible to agree with Bernie's ideas but disagree that he's correctly identified the best way to implement them in the absence of his victory; it's also possible to believe that your vote, even if it has no chance of being cast for the winner, expresses an important principle.

Finally, while Stein's anti-GMO position is nutso, the world isn't reddit and a lot of people weigh other issues above GMOs on the scale of political importance. Even among Greens, I can't imagine GMOs make the top 10 or 20 issues versus foreign policy pacifism, education, pensions, access to healthcare, poverty reduction, a carbon tax, supporting union labour, etc.

It would plainly be inappropriate for someone to tell you you're voting for a strident murderer and war hawk simply because you've chosen to support Hillary, because a) that's reductionist, and b) people would be imputing motives to you that aren't fair.

It's OK for people to vote for who they want to vote for. The only thing more embarrassing that losers flailing around because they can't cope with losing is winners flailing around because they can't cope with winning.

I never said wait until July, or at least I did not intend to. Yes, I alluded to fluid super delegate votes, but I don't even care about them, as I've also said. Pledged count. Lock up the pledged count -- which will happen as soon as the polls close tomorrow -- and make the call. Without a concession from Sanders (or any other candidate in the same position), it's the proper thing to do in my opinion.

I mean, this also seems a little weird, because if you want to allow for the practical impossibility of Bernie winning the pledged delegates based on his performance tomorrow (he'd need to beat his best-state performances in primaries and caucuses), then why not also allow for the practical impossibility of Bernie flipping all the superdelegates across the board?

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Those tattoos are like this year's hoverboards.

so they'll be banned from entering the country after repeatedly bursting into flames?

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I'm sure they'll remember "god I said/did some stupid shit" too.

Probably not a whole lot about him other than his stump speech or Killer Mike, though.

Killer Mike isn't gonna let this go. I can't blame him, he believed. I expect some Bernie references in the new Run The Jewels album.

 

[~Kinggi~]

I mean, shes clearly the only choice in this shitshow race now, but really, i cant help but think back to the good ol days of South Park and their shit sandwiches. Not looking forward to the continuing decline of the middle class and corporations just getting bigger.

 

[Frozenprince]

That gives me a great idea.

Let's sew Sanders into the couch and have people insult him.

He'd have to be naked of course.

 

[The Lamonster]

Tomorrow I will probably be banned from r/SandersForPresident

hahaha

 

[Grizzlyjin]

See that's the biggest thing that gets me. I'm all for grassroots support and donations backing your campaign and being it's primary funding. I think it's supremely admirable.

But he's basically been stealing these college kids money for the last 2 months.

Poor bastards. Literally throwing their money away.

That has been bothering me for awhile too. They know exactly how much of their money comes from small donors and college aged voters. Even a campaign like Jeb that can rally up supporters who have money to burn would have pulled the plug months ago if they were in Sanders' position. Knowing that his whole "We're taking it to the convention!" is fueled on small donor money feels wrong to me. It just doesn't sit well in my stomach at all.

 

[megalowho]

Killer smile isn't gonna let this go. I can't blame him, he believed. I expect some Bernie references in the new Run The Jewels album.

Killer Mike should just run for office himself.

 

[Aaronrules380]

That has been bothering me for awhile too. They know exactly how much of their money comes from small donors and college aged voters. Even a campaign like Jeb that can rally up supporters who have money to burn would have pulled the plug months ago if they were in Sanders' position. Knowing that his whole "We're taking it to the convention!" is fueled on small donor money feels wrong to me. It just doesn't sit well in my stomach at all.

I agree. It comes off to me as a disgusting ego trip and a scam

 

[smurfx]

there should be avatar bets to whether or not bernie sanders drops out this week.

 

[Frozenprince]

Killer Mike should just run for office himself.

Vice President El-P represent

 

[Karsticles]

Its shows they don't care about policy. But more than that, it reveals what a lot of people knew and accused them of (but were constantly told wasn't true). That they were holding their vote and support on a cult of personality high and or they were merely voting AGAINST someone, and not for someone.

It was transparent as hell anyway in many cases, but people do enjoy seeing that they were right all along.

Is the Green Party entirely dissimilar to Sanders? I haven't taken notice of them.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Shit, Iphone autocorrected to Killer Smile. lol