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I'm betting on Perez getting it. Virtually no downsides.
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I'm betting on Perez getting it. Virtually no downsides.
Stumpokapow
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Pundits, journalists, and observers alike have an extremely bad record of predicting VP choice at the early stage. The person most commonly mentioned in the media thusfar is Julian Castro, who I think is an extremely unlikely pick.
I would expect Hillary to pick a governor rather than a Senator, given the balance in the senate. I would expect her to pick from a swing state. I would expect her to pick a male. If I had to guess, knowing full well I would be wrong, I would suggest: Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, Brian Schweitzer. I don't think she's going to go as far red as Evan Bayh.
Jim Webb is so far outside the Democratic party at this point it isn't even funny. Why would she recruit someone who is maybe the 20th most popular Democrat from his state, hasn't been elected in forever, only served a short while, and the highlight of his contribution to this race was complaining about political correctness and talking about how he murdered a guy. He's not quite Zell Miller 2004 but I have no idea why Webb would even come up in conversation.
He was also on David Axelrod's podcast and Keeping it 1600. I'm sure the Clinton camp is closely watching him and Warren.
I like Perez a lot, especially as a Latino in a campaign against Trump. But he does have little true leadership experience and zero name recognition. Against Trump, that maybe doesn't matter as much, but it's still important.
User 85168
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I think it's down to Perez or Kaine.
As an Ohioan, I'd be okay with Sherrod Brown, but a lot of people will be put off by his voice. If we're going for Ohio votes, maybe try on Ted Strickland? Honestly, I'd go with Castro. He seems a good pick, plus it plays well against Trump's anti-Hispanic rhetoric.
I guess what is most frustrating for me is that, often times, in these political discussions--and especially on left-leaning forums--hardly anyone who supports her takes the time to criticize Hillary for anything, and this also goes for a lack of fair and balanced criticism of both Democratic and Republican politicians. Yes, I'm aware that there are many ignorant, racist and sexist Republicans, but there are also many Republican politicians that don't hold those characteristics. Yes, Hillary should be commended for her past achievements, and her platform that she has outlined, and yes, Trump should be condemned for his unacceptable and absurd remarks that he's spoken about throughout his campaign, but rarely are the opposites talked about: Hillary's cons and Trump's pros. (I know, I know, he can't have very many, but he has to have a few redeeming qualities) I just really, really dislike dealing with extreme positions. It's either this fully or that fully.
dantevsninjas
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While acknowledging that this whole thing has gotten way out of hand, this has and will continue to be a poor argument. You can recognize that the rules of a game are bad, and yet still play by those rules because you want to win.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Alternatively:
Beginning: Superdelegates are a sham because they go against the will of the people
Now: Superdelagates are a sham if they won't go against the will of the people
I know it doesn't matter to a lot of people or seem important, but Castro isn't fluent in Spanish. As a southern Latino not entirely fluent in Spanish myself, that's a pretty big disadvantage to many Latinos. Sure, the person himself is pretty important symbolically, but he also has very little political experience.
I think the best choice for Castro is for her to give him a bigger cabinet role and groom him for a run later in his career.
I think the best choice for Castro is for her to give him a bigger cabinet role and groom him for a run later in his career.
Stumpokapow
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Here's why I think Sherrod Brown is a bad idea:
- The Democrats are going to gain at least 2, maybe as many as 5 or 6 senate seats in this election. The margin will be very tight.
- Brown is not up for re-election, his seat is safe.
- If Hillary/Brown win, then Brown is VP and the seat must be filled.
- In Ohio, senate vacancies are filled by the governor.
- John Kasich is the governor of Ohio and will fill the seat with a Republican.
If you're certain the Democrats will have at most 50 or you're certain they'll have at least 51 then you're OK, but if you think there's a range that goes across that line, then picking Sherrod Brown as VP essentially hands the Senate to the Republicans.
- The Democrats are going to gain at least 2, maybe as many as 5 or 6 senate seats in this election. The margin will be very tight.
- Brown is not up for re-election, his seat is safe.
- If Hillary/Brown win, then Brown is VP and the seat must be filled.
- In Ohio, senate vacancies are filled by the governor.
- John Kasich is the governor of Ohio and will fill the seat with a Republican.
If you're certain the Democrats will have at most 50 or you're certain they'll have at least 51 then you're OK, but if you think there's a range that goes across that line, then picking Sherrod Brown as VP essentially hands the Senate to the Republicans.
AntraxSuicide
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I'd be more okay with Brown or Warren if their respective governors weren't Republicans.
This was Hillary's supporters whole point when it came to Citizens United and her taking corporate donations. The Sanders camp didn't seem to feel that way at the time.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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And yet Hillary is part of the "corrupt establishment" when she plays by the "corrupt establishment's" rules.
GregLombardi
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Whoever the VP pick is, its going to be pretty huge news. I mean, the whole thing is huge news. If she wins, I can't believe we will have the first first husband, who will also have been a past President, which is doubly as insane.
I'm agree Brown isn't a great pick. I only put him ahead of Castro because I don't think he's a good choice 
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Harry Reid saying there may be ways to work around Warren's vacant seat in MA is really interesting. Combine that with what could have been an "audition" in her Trump speech, I think it's very likely. Especially if Sanders supporters don't give her a poll bump by the end of the month.
. Harry Reid saying there may be ways to work around Warren's vacant seat in MA is really interesting. Combine that with what could have been an "audition" in her Trump speech, I think it's very likely. Especially if Sanders supporters don't give her a poll bump by the end of the month.
And_Gignac
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Castro would be a terrible pick.
The best case scenario for the #partyunity would be a Warren nomination, imo. That leaves Sanders with the moral justification to heavily support the ticket without angering his A-E voters.
That already happened in Argentina. Funnily enough, it may happen in Mexico too in 2018.
The best case scenario for the #partyunity would be a Warren nomination, imo. That leaves Sanders with the moral justification to heavily support the ticket without angering his A-E voters.
That already happened in Argentina. Funnily enough, it may happen in Mexico too in 2018.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Hopefully we get a beatdown ala Clinton State Warriors against Cavalierian Trump
Unless you take Super PAC money.
NYR
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lol @ anyone thinking it won't be Perez. He is perfect - experienced, aligned with the existing party lines, Clinton likes him, and he locks in that coveted latino/hispanic vote to clinch this sucker.
Warren is the Bernie Sanders of VP picks. Too many pickable flaws, way too idealistic to be taken seriously. Cabinet position for sure, run in 2024.
Warren is the Bernie Sanders of VP picks. Too many pickable flaws, way too idealistic to be taken seriously. Cabinet position for sure, run in 2024.
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Stumpokapow
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This assumes you need to offer anything to achieve party unity. Although Obama eventually offered Clinton SecState, the call came after the election. The only before election exchange was Obama congratulating her on a historic candidacy, and Clinton campaigning for Obama. Although some parties have at some points offered losing rivals goodies in exchange for pulling everyone together, typically this is limited to at most a spot speaking at the convention and often not even that.
Appointing Warren means losing one of the best Democrats in the Senate, opening the election campaign to attacks that the Democratic ticket is too liberal in a year where Democrats are poised to make real inroads among moderates, exacerbate the age complaint against Hillary, and it's worth noting that although I think Elizabeth Warren is a great Senator, I don't think she was a notably good campaigner or notably popular during her campaign. Some people are thought leaders, and I think she plays a great role being that for the party.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I said in PoliGAF that I don't think Perez is a good choice in terms of charisma and speaking ability, as I think he's pretty stilted and unpolished, but of the people I've seen floated thus far, he seems the pick that hits all of the correct bases.
She's had a couple of interviews lately that have her quoted with things like "I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to be Donald Trump." She's also said decent things about Hillary (or at least not rough critiques like Bernie) and has largely modulated some of her more left-wing positions, i.e. less Glass-Steagall and more Dodd-Frank.
Sirpopopop
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Except if you play a game of calling everything and everyone corrupt. Then you're just a fucking hypocrite.
Right now is the perfect time to pick someone young (and Hispanic) for the VP slot. Trump's racist rhetoric and a Hispanic VP will bring out Hispanics en masse for voting. Ultimately this pick needs to be about the future of the party, most people being thrown around are just too old. Trump is cratering so this election is he perfect time to bring someone young and inexperienced in. Any other pick Is extremely short sighted and dumb.
Box of Kittens
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It's a myth that Perot cost Bush the 1992 election. Exit polls indicated that he drew equally from Bush and Clinton, Clinton consistently led polls of a two way race, and Bush's approvals were in the low 40s. Bush was toast regardless.
googleplex
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Whoa!
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I've felt completely opposite watching/listening to him in interviews.
What exactly is your theory for why no Democratic politician is behaving in a way that suggests this has even the smallest chance of happening?
That person doesn't exist though. All of the Hispanics in congress are relatively old or obscure. Castro is the only one who fits that and his highest position was Mayor of San Antonio (and a pretty small cabinet position).
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Perez is a good bridge candidate for that purpose though.
The other thing to consider, VPs don't tend to become president.
so no reason?
NYR
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I think it's gotta be Castro. Given his running partner I think he could skate by on what little experience he has.
metalslimer
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I don't think you really need to be worried about the future of the party with the VP pick. I don't necessarily think trying to pick a VP who will definitely run potentially in 8 years is necessary. I think Perez is a pretty good pick because you get someone extremely intellegient and it doesn't take any offices away. To be honest, I don't think Castro would be ready to be president at all if something were to happen.
Ohh, fire versus bombs? I'm liking this choice way more, Trump can go surround himself with his lame walls and leave the bloody fiery carnage to Hillary and Bernie.
Anyways, yeah, this definitely would look better with the actual vote in and not just super delegate crap.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I dunno, I've watched a few of the guy's interviews and speeches, and he seems pretty off-the-rack in his responses. He's alright, but I don't think he'd add much to the ticket on the campaign trail.
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