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[Orbis Tabula]

When President Trump wins his 45 state landslide you're going to have so much egg on your face.

Saving this post for November.

Go ahead! There's no way Trump beats the "I Didn't Vote" Party's candidate. In January, everyone will show up on the National Mall to inaugurated No One and we'll go four years without a President before we get to try again and maybe not fuck it all up this time, goddamnit, you had one job!

 

[B-Dubs]

Ron Paul he is not.

Ron Paul didn't win a single primary in either 2008 or 2012. This is an absurd analogy.

Did he even break 10% of the vote anywhere?

Ron Paul wasn't in a two-man race. It's a different dynamic than a crowded field.

 

[DrForester]

When President Trump wins his 45 state landslide you're going to have so much egg on your face.

Saving this post for November.

Trumps concession speech is going to be the most salty thing in history...

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

I wonder if Trump will be sworn in using Art of the Deal instead of the Bible.

 

[rjinaz]

Ron Paul he is not.

Ron Paul didn't win a single primary in either 2008 or 2012. This is an absurd analogy.

Yes it is. Actually kind of hard to believe people still make this argument. In the end though I think Bernie will be remembered just a bout the same way though. Its a shame though because he could have went out in a positive direction with a message of progress instead of getting dirty in a battle he already lost months ago.

 

[Meier]

The whole none of their votes matter thing is kind of a funny concept. States who have their primary late in the game know that there is a chance, probably a good one for that matter, that the race will be decided by the time their residents get to vote.

The big difference is that on the Republican side, the other candidates dropped out when they realized they had no chance to actually win. Bernie has decided to stay in because reasons, but it's been very clear for about 2 months now (if we're being generous to him) that these primaries would not truly affect the outcome of the election. Bernie should have gracefully bowed out when Hilary won 5 primaries back in April. It was 100% guaranteed over at that point.

 

[Mecha]

I wonder if Trump will be sworn in using Art of the Deal instead of the Bible.

Only if he signs it first.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Trumps concession speech is going to be the most salty thing in history...

He'll probable pull a Cam Newton.

 

[minor effort]

Trumps concession speech is going to be the most salty thing in history...

I don't know how salty it would sound. I somewhat imagine Trump will try to act like he never wanted the presidency anyways in his concession speech. "Why would I want to sit around for four years doing blah blah I could make more money blah blah". He'll try to play it off like it was beneath him anyways, and his loss is still a victory for himself.

He'd probably sooner lie and concoct a story that he was fall guy for Clinton than admit he got defeated.

 

[Slayven]

Trumps concession speech is going to be the most salty thing in history...

I bet 25 Canadian dollars he won't give one.

 

[Blader]

I’ll be voting for Trump. I don’t particularly care much for him but he’s preferable to Hillary. If Stein had a legitimate chance of pulling enough of the vote to cost Hillary the election (>5%), I would throw my vote her way, but the Greens probably won’t even have ballot access in my state (Iowa).

As for the rest of the ballot, I’ll just be voting against whoever the incumbent is.

Spoiler

ban me if you want

lol, "ban me if you want." What a brave martyr you are!

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Ron Paul wasn't in a two-man race. It's a different dynamic than a crowded field.

It's funny, in one state, he actually was in a two man race. Santorom, Gingrich, Romney, and Paul were the only ones left by Super Tuesday last time, and Gingrich and Santorum had failed to fulfill the ballot requirements in Virginia. It was Romney v. Paul. Paul got 40% of the vote to Romney's 60. Actually pretty close to the Sanders-Clinton margin there.

Not that it's that significant, just kind of neat.

 

[adj_noun]

Trumps concession speech is going to be the most salty thing in history...

I will be amazed if he admits he lost as opposed to a bunch of rigged/cheating/unfair wailing.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Trumps concession speech is going to be the most salty thing in history...

I don't think he is capable of a concession speech.

 

[dave is ok]

I bet 25 Canadian dollars he won't give one.

Because he won?

 

[Bel Marduk]

Ron Paul wasn't in a two-man race. It's a different dynamic than a crowded field.

He was.

In both races, toward the end.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Trumps concession speech is going to be the most salty thing in history...

I had the best lost. The biggest loss. It' was great. I have many friends.

 

[Saucy_XL]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party should move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

 

[Bel Marduk]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

I agree with your entire post except that I will have to vote Clinton in the general election. Hopefully, you will, too.

 

[Alucrid]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

what does a person require to create true social justice and equality?

 

[JeTmAn81]

I've got a friend who's a Bernie supporter who posted this on Facebook:

No, Hillary DID NOT clinch the Democratic nomination.
2,383 NON-SUPERDELEGATE VOTES are needed to do that before July 25, and she only has 1,812 as of today, June 6. She'll need over 81% of the remaining delegates to do that, which isn't even a remote possibility. It won't be decided until July 25, when the superdelegates vote based on who they think can beat Trump (Sanders can beat him easily, while Clinton and Trump are a dead heat). The media sources announcing that the Democratic nomination is already decided are spreading propaganda to dissuade Sanders supporters from voting.

What would you say to that? Here's what I said:

Unless there's some kind of precedent for a massive reversal in superdelegate votes, I'd say it's fair to call Hillary the presumptive nominee. There's probably a greater chance of her going to jail than the superdelegates changing to Bernie.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

So you'd rather have Trump as president?

 

[xxracerxx]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

So no vote in the general election?

She will have power to appoint people that will have a huge say on social issues in the future.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

I expect Trump to pull off his mask and reveal Bill Clinton. Since Trump started his run, has anyone seen Bill and Donald in the same room at the same time?

 

[Velcro Fly]

So you'd rather have Trump as president?

think they were talking about the Cali primary today, not the general election

 

[Aaronrules380]

think they were talking about the Cali primary today, not the general election

I mean maybe, and I'd hope that would be the case. Though it doesn't matter since Hilary will be the nominee regardless

 

[benjipwns]

Ron Paul he is not.

Ron Paul didn't win a single primary in either 2008 or 2012. This is an absurd analogy.

I was wrong! He won US Virgin Islands in 2012 with 112 votes!

He did win three conventions though.

Including every single elected Iowa delegate.

I wonder if Trump will be sworn in using Art of the Deal instead of the Bible.

Now you're making me want to elect Trump.

 

[Palette Swap]

We should stop enabling Heulening

Yeah. It's only the same 4-5 crazies, people should just ignore them as they obviously thrive on the attention.
It's not like they're going to address why supporting Donald "that's my African American and he's behaving" Trump makes more sense for a Bernie supporter than voting Democrat.

They're the people who complained about the "low information ni voter", and they've already grabbed too much attention.

 

[TheCrow]

I've got a friend who's a Bernie supporter who posted this on Facebook:


What would you say to that? Here's what I said:

FYI, his premise that you need "2,383 NON-SUPERDELEGATE VOTES" is just wrong. It's actually 2,383 delegate which includes both pledged and supers.

 

[Captin Quacker]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party should move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

Not voting is as bad as voting for trump

 

[Saucy_XL]

what does a person require to create true social justice and equality?

Ya I'm not sure but the voices and people (Nina turner, Jane Kim, cornel west, several groups), etc at the rally gave me more hope than I've gotten from Hillary's side.

 

[Pixieking]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

So, two things:

1) Bernie has won in that he's got two people of his choice on the DNC Platform committee, and Hillary has moved to the Left during this Primary season. That last is a win for everyone who's liberal, and she will influence SCOTUS, possibly heavily. To not vote for her now is throwing away that influence, and proving that for the Far Left/Socialists, it's all or nothing. Politics very rarely works like that. If every Bernie voter voted for Hillary and the down-ticket Democrats, it would be a seismic shift in politics, towards the left.

2) You'd rather not vote than vote for someone who is less than perfect? 96 years after the ratification of the 19th Amendment, you'd rather not vote, than vote for a less-than-perfect woman president?

(To be clear, it's your vote/your choice. I'm just confused? )

 

[OriginofHysteria]

I expect Trump to pull off his mask and reveal Bill Clinton. Since Trump started his run, has anyone seen Bill and Donald in the same room at the same time?

BAH GOD!! THATS BILL CLINTON'S MUSIC!!!!

 

[Guevara]

I only use reddit for a few things (mostly just sports), definitely none of them related to politics. With that being said, the Sanders for President subreddit is pretty impressive. This top post made me chuckle.. it reeks of parody, but people are really digging deep on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor...he_word_out_please_hillary_sent_out_an_email/

Oh man this is too good.

 

[Tarydax]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now.

So you went to one rally and now you don't want to support Hillary? Okay.

Just don't get too upset when people call you out on being okay with a Trump presidency.

Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

If a Sanders administration was run as incompetently as his campaign has been, he wouldn't have gotten a single thing done, and his attacks on the Democratic establishment would ensure that he wouldn't have been able to negotiate to get anything from his agenda passed.

 

[Mecha]

FYI, his premise that you need "2,383 NON-SUPERDELEGATE VOTES" is just wrong. It's actually 2,383 delegate which includes both pledged and supers.

Yeah, I wonder what he thought superdelegates were for if they didn't go towards the total count.

 

[Blader]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party should move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

Not to boil it all down to "first woman president," but it's kind of funny to juxtapose "first woman ever nominated for president by a major political party" with "doesn't go far enough for social justice/equality."

You can not vote for Hillary all you want -- if your state ends up going Republican then it's because the universe has destined Trump to be president anyway -- but it seems foolish to me to be so awestruck by liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with Bernie's movement and who represent the future in the party, and then throw away your opportunity to put a Democrat in the White House who will, if nothing else, lay the SCOTUS foundation for those same liberals and Democrats to build their own presidential and legislative successes on down the road. A Trump presidency means a conservative Supreme Court for a generation, which also means all those speakers who dominated your attention yesterday won't be able to do a fucking thing about social justice and equality for another 10-20 years.

Yeah, I wonder what he thought superdelegates were for if they didn't go towards the total count.

They're for making him the nominee. Anything else they do is corrupt!

 

[Alucrid]

Ya I'm not sure but the voices and people (Nina turner, Jane Kim, cornel west, several groups), etc at the rally gave me more hope than I've gotten from Hillary's side.

have you attended a hillary rally to hear her and others speak?

 

[benjipwns]

and proving that for the Far Left/Socialists, it's all or nothing. Politics very rarely works like that.

Except for the "Far Left"...always and forever.

The true progressives like Bob Avakian and Jason Unruhe knew Bernie was nothing but a social fascist right-wing sell out.

 

[HylianTom]

A Trump presidency means a conservative Supreme Court for a generation, which also means all those speakers who dominated your attention yesterday won't be able to do a fucking thing about social justice and equality for another 10-20 years.

Goooooood luck getting folks to square this.

 

[Vice]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party should move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

The Democratic party is already in line with, most, of his ideals. We live in a more equal and just than 10 years in the past. Like what is it that he believes that the part doesn't?

 

[pigeon]

Bernie will be endorsing Hillary in a couple of weeks, so maybe lets just ride it out.

 

[TheCrow]

Yeah, I wonder what he thought superdelegates were for if they didn't go towards the total count.

Even if you were to remove the superdelegates you would also have to lower the threshold. So then the majority of pledged delegates is 2,026 and she will most likely pass that today. Either way she wins.

I just really hate it when they say you should remove superdelegates from the process yet still keep the 2,383 number.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party should move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

It's your vote man, you vote the way you want.

But don't fucking complain about social justice, inequality, or any other shit for the next 30+ years if Trump gets elected ok?

 

[Saucy_XL]

So you went to one rally and now you don't want to support Hillary? Okay.

Just don't get too upset when people call you out on being okay with a Trump presidency.



If a Sanders administration was run as incompetently as his campaign has been, he wouldn't have gotten a single thing done, and his attacks on the Democratic establishment would ensure that he wouldn't have been able to negotiate to get anything from his agenda passed.

I am just giving my own perspective of this election. I'm heavily democratic and Hillary will make a fine president. But I am not ok with using the threat of Trump winning to not recognize Bernies side. I just want to highlight how amazing it was to see such a gathering truly honest, liberal speakers coming together yesterday because of Bernie and his message.

 

[Gotchaye]

FYI, his premise that you need "2,383 NON-SUPERDELEGATE VOTES" is just wrong. It's actually 2,383 delegate which includes both pledged and supers.

At the convention, sure, but the idea is obviously that the superdelegates can change their minds - to clinch the nomination such that a candidate is guaranteed to be the nominee as long as no procedural jiggery-pokery goes on regardless of how people who have discretion to vote decide to vote, the candidate would need a majority of all delegates made up entirely of pledged delegates.

I actually do think that it's kind of silly to talk like there's a big difference in the state of the race between Clinton being just under the magic number including superdelegates and just over. Like, if Sanders ended up winning a majority of pledged delegates, which I think is still technically possible, Clinton might not get the votes of all the superdelegates currently saying they'll vote for her. She's clinched the nomination in the sense that it is really hard to believe that Sanders will do well enough in today's primaries to actually reduce Clinton's total number of delegates (by stealing more superdelegates than she gains in pledged delegates). But really this is not very different from thinking a few days ago that it was really unlikely that Sanders would do well enough in today's primaries to keep Clinton from gaining a handful of delegates. The difference in how well you believe Sanders needs to do (or in how likely you think it is that Clinton gets indicted and superdelegates abandon her, etc.) to become the nominee is very small.

Of course, obviously none of this is a conspiracy by the media to make Sanders people not vote in California or something. Clinton would have preferred this not happen.

 

[Aaronrules380]

I am just giving my own perspective of this election. I'm heavily democratic and Hillary will make a fine president. But I am not ok with using the threat of Trump winning to not recognize Bernies side. I just want to highlight how amazing it was to see such a gathering truly honest, liberal speakers coming together yesterday because of Bernie and his message.

Bernie has already lost though

 

[Aaron Strife]

I want to know which five states hold-out against the Trumpian Tide..

Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado

Went to a Bernie rally in SF yesterday. Suffice to say I won't be voting Hillary now. It wasn't even anything Bernie said, it was the amazing liberal and Democratic speakers aligned with his movement. Bernie won't win, but the direction the Democratic Party move is towards his ideals. Hillary does not go far enough to make believe the country will ever have true social justice and equality under her direction. This isn't believing she is controlled by Wall St or anything, but she does not have what it takes to truly solve these social issues.

Not to disparage your primary vote (although not voting in the GE is stupid as hell) but I can't agree with this line of logic. Sanders, in terms of his rhetoric and priorities does not seem to believe there's any racial, gender, sexual orientation etc. inequality that can not be dealt with by simply breaking up the banks. It's true that intersectionality exists to a point, but how does jailing the Wall Street bankers solve the problem of cops killing black men? This is trickle-down social justice.

Clinton has put forth very thorough and specific proposals to address criminal justice reform, institutional discrimination, LGBT equality, equal pay for women, people with disabilities (both mental and physical, chronic or acute), pretty much everything under the sun. She met personally, privately with #blm activists. There is a reason why she is mopping the floor with racial/social minorities. It's not like Sanders doesn't also have proposals to deal with these things, but his message is very specifically tailored to one demographic, young, affluent college kids. Clinton's platform is far broader and more inclusive.

Sanders started his campaign by proclaiming that the white working class is the most significant demographic, which completely discards all the work that was done to elect Obama in the face of overwhelming adversity, rooted in Jesse Jackson's rainbow coalition in the 80s. African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Muslims, immigrants, women, LGBT Americans, people with disabilities and illness, atheists - they all have the power to change the course of U.S. politics for a generation. Sanders evidently disagrees.

 

[Mecha]

Except for the "Far Left"...always and forever.

The true progressives like Bob Avakian and Jason Unruhe knew Bernie was nothing but a social fascist right-wing sell out.

Bob Avakian and Jason Unruhe are true revolutionaries!!!

 

[benjipwns]

It's your vote man, you vote the way you want.

But don't fucking complain about social justice, inequality, or any other shit for the next 30+ years if Trump gets elected ok?

Why? What could he have done to stop the Trump Landslide?