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Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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Arrogant Bastard
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Ugh, yes, yes it is.
Just because you and other people haven't experienced something doesn't mean it isn't a problem. Guys I have never seen racism, I don't know why everyone thinks we have a race problem in America. None of it is true.
.1%, that's pretty good.
Don't forget, the majority of people on that list are probably white nationalists and soviegn citizen militia folk.
Most hate groups looking to stick it to the US are white.
Well, your side is irrationally angry and throwing tirades at topics and people you don't agree with. If you think that's always going to be the case, that shows a fundamental problem with the people that you hold opinions with.
DragonSworne
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Blame Republicans, not the country
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Except it is true, and countless studies and numbers IN THIS VERY THREAD prove otherwise.
everyday math
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We just had the worst shooting In US history last night lmfao. Ever heard of Chicago?
partyphone
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no that's my point. the watchlist is fucking bullshit too.
NHarmonic.
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it's clearly not the same. One of these rights involves artifacts that could put in danger anyone if they are misused and even when they are not. It was made for a violent era that's gone, but gun lovers don't want to let go of the fucking toys.
I honestly don't know how NRA people sleep at night.
They have so much blood on their hands.
Rudelord
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The problem is what constitutes being on the watch list? If it's like the no-fly list, there's not a helluva lot of oversight on it; you can be put on there just for having a 'foreign' sounding name to the best of my knowledge.
Officerrob
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Pull your head out of the sand
Bam Bam Baklava
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I wonder if this clip will get a lot of play in the coming days.
UberTag
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If the Democrats take control of the White House, Congress and the Senate and nothing changes, can we start blaming the country then?
I imagine quite comfortably on their beds made of money.
Doc Holliday
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So I guess Isis is considered a " well regulated militia" huh?
2nd ammendent advocates always forget this bit. Probably the supreme courts biggest mistake :/
2nd ammendent advocates always forget this bit. Probably the supreme courts biggest mistake :/
To be fair, I talked to some guys from Kentucky one time who could only make it in the winter from shooting deer. They were responsible and I don't want to take their guns.
Banning all guns is radical and quite frankly won't work in America. Not from a "the gubmit can pry mah guns from mah cold dedd fingers", but because you literally can NOT live in rural America without at least a shotgun or rifle. Snakes, boars, other things - you want to have a gun around.
Assault weapons like the shooter used in Orlando should be banned, though. There's no reason to own them except killing people.
This issue to me does not seem very hard. There's an obviously sensible line which can be drawn that nobody wants to draw. To me, hunting rifles, shotguns, handguns for self defense - should be allowed (by constitution or otherwise) after extensive background checks, training, and licensing - licensing which has to be renewed and can be revoked at any time if you are on any terror watch list. Guns like machine guns, automatic assault weapons, etc that are designed for military use or just killing human beings should be outlawed.
"experience doesn't matter"
Great. I stand by my statement and find it absurdist how out of touch some people are (which is ironic as the majority here feel the same towards me).
TakumiTrueno
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Thank you.
Re: people saying Obama needs to say "radical Islamic terrorism" more.
Here in America, connotation smuggling and semantic games are more important than addressing tragedies in any way other than blaming non-White people as a collective. Any solution that might have an impact on white people, such as enhanced gun control, is disingenuously swatted away - conservatives appealing to mental healthcare reform when they, their policies, and their philosophies have both destroyed the system and stigmatized both mental health sufferers and therapy as a concept disgusts me on both a deeply personal and logical level - in favor of just broadly tarring an entire religion of people, because xenophobia is easier than actually understanding the world with more nuance than someone left behind by Piaget. Please, use your brain.
If any of you fools payed any attention in even the smallest capacity, you would realize that Obama has directly condemned ISIS many, many, many, many times. But he also has the tact to recognize that speaking in broad statements that implicate an entire religion of people is unwise and will just incite further hatred. I agree that there are extremely problematic sections of the Quran just as there is in the Bible, and any other piece of literature written by people hundreds of years ago. But the solution isn't to alienate moderate religious people who have modernized by inciting hatred against them - especially when the moderate religious folk condemn terrorism over and over and the fools must try harder and harder to maintain their ignorance - it's to cultivate the moderate religious folk, to gentrify religion into an acceptably toothless form. After all, it worked on Christianity (mostly), so it will work on Islam as well.
If there isn't a problem of gun violence, then the main argument of gun owners that they should be able to defend themselves is null and void. Then there is no need for guns.
It is and it isn't. That's the wierd duality of life.
People need to vote. Voting in large numbers moderates policy. But so many people have been convinced voting is worthless that the GOP Pretty much gotten it's way for the past 35 years.
If more people voted, they wouldn't get to make crazy shit like that law.
Well, it's not illegal...it's just that if they research gun violence or deaths that they would get defunded.
Similar to the Post Office having to provide 70 years worth of pension coverage for all employees (even if the employee is, themselves, in their 70s). Why? Because republicans in that instance wanted to show that all government ran agencies are in the red and the post office was profitable.
zer0blivion
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Yes. It may not go to a victim in FL, but it will definitely help someone.
Tarkus
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I'm not derailing the thread anymore by talking about gun problems. I think the problems of senseless gun violence are obvious. Are you an NRA member or something?
Yeah, we like to pretend that the US is the country with the most gun related deaths.
Come out west. I'm in South Dakota, the vast majority of people here cling to their guns like they're the most important thing in the world.
My dad has a concealed carry permit and he treats his pistol like its his own personal worry stone. I'm pretty sure he'd have withdrawals if he was separated from it (it's disgusting).
Fucking hell. This was even at Orlando.
Already Torn
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At this point I'd just be happy without one every few days.
In another way of thinking about it, strict gun laws and banning certain types of firearms will stop some massacres! Where do I sign up?
Can we talk about how a Christian speaker said the same thing before introducing Ted Cruz? Why does it matter if it was in Orlando? Do you only hate Orlando Muslims?
Arrogant Bastard
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Personal experience doesn't matter when we are talking about a national and cultural issue man. You understand that right?
Why don't you read my post that addressed Chicago and this topic?
The NRA attracts a special kind of people capable of grand delusions.
echoshifting
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What bullshit.
There are more guns in the US than there are people.
There were more mass shootings in the US last year than there are days in a year.
More than 13,000 people were killed by guns last year. Excluding suicide. More than 26,000 were injured.
Every single day almost 300 people in the US are shot by guns. 89 die, 31 of those are murders. Every single day.
But yes please tell us more about how US isn't a "gun culture, full of guns everywhere we look, full of gun violence everywhere we look." Maybe you just aren't looking hard enough.
The US has more gun stores than coffee shops. I live near Chicago, people are murdered by guns weekly, almost daily. There have been 1,600 people injured by guns in Chicago in the last 6 months. You not seeing it doesn't make it not real. Fuck off.
LordRaptor
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His 'side' would quite like to stop seeing so many people being killed each year, not fighting for an interpretation of the constitiution which has only been en vogue since the 1970s and contains a qualifying statement that seems to clearly indicate the right to bear arms should belong to well trained and organised militias, not someone who is no longer able to take a commercial airflight due to suspicions of their risk factor in being involved in a terrorosit act.
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
You're insanely fucking ignorant.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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If people don't have guns, then why all of this to protect being able to have them?
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Come back to the real world.
partyphone
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sorry I should have been more clear. the terror watch list is our shitty overreaction to terror and shouldn't exist in the form it does now. the fact that our paranoia over terrorists was used to justify our continued inaction on gun control is beyond frustrating.
joeygreco1985
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Reddit is a shitshow right now, deleted posts everywhere
It is though. Statistics prove it.
This reminds me of Jon Stewart's excellent takedown showing how the GOP actually prevents the enforcement of existing laws:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...EVENT-the-ATF-from-enforcing-current-gun-laws
I would but you deleted it.
But we all know why you're running away. Another gunnut cracks attempting to explain their deadly hobby.
Arrogant Bastard
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But his personal experience proves otherwise, ergo statistics are wrong.
No one I know who has unprotected sex has ever had a child, therefore it doesn't happen.
Sound logic there.
Quite the opposite, actually. And it wasn't derailing, I misread you given your earlier comments about Obama and "RIT" as you put it. I was asking questions to understand where you were coming from and compared to others, treating you civilally. So I don't understand why you're treating me with hostility now.
Reddit is quick becoming a home for the alt-right and various hate groups. It wouldn't surprise me.
You'll just hear a lot about how to really get anything done you need a super majority and without 60 seats in the Senate Democrats hands are tied.
metalslimer
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Man, I've been trying to hold it in all day, and I have become desensitized to a lot of this, but 50 innocent people slaughtered just makes it really hard. It also makes me sad how much more attention being given to this being some Islamic terroist attack and not the hate crime comitted with a legally purchased weapon.
Officerrob
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Reddit is a shitshow period
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