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[SoRuffShoNuff]

Sorry but no swimming means no swimming do not enter the freaking water. I don't know what decade you were born in but 80's and 90's kids know "no swimming" means don't enter the water. Being from a different state is not an excuse, that's even MORE reason to stay away from water with warning signs. If I see a lake I have never been to with a no swimming sign, I'm going the other direction

Not to mention who the hell lets their kid swim in an unknown body of water at night with no lighting?

If no swimming means do not enter the water then what purpose do no wading signs serve? The kid was not swimming in the lake, he was standing in it. We do agree there is a difference between swimming and standing, right?

No swimming and do not enter the water are completely different warnings. You are speaking from a personal assumption standpoint and I'm coming from a legal standpoint.

My job entails workplace safety so that's why I'm talking about what the sign actually means. A warning sign must convey the exact message you wish to give. You cant leave it open to interpretation if you want to be protected legally.

 

[davepoobond]

Really awful, should never happen in a place like that. From the coverage it sounds like alligators are pretty much everywhere and fencing wouldn't be feasible. Alligators walk on land so its not like you can stop them from going wherever they want.

Signage should be improved for out of towners, but I don't know how useful that would be in this situation

 

[Extra Sauce]

Really awful, should never happen in a place like that. From the coverage it sounds like alligators are pretty much everywhere and fencing wouldn't be feasible. Alligators walk on land so its not like you can stop them from going wherever they want.

What about fencing the bodies of water? They might still find their way around the park but at least they won't be able to sneak attack from underneath the cover of water.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Really awful, should never happen in a place like that. From the coverage it sounds like alligators are pretty much everywhere and fencing wouldn't be feasible. Alligators walk on land so its not like you can stop them from going wherever they want.

Signage should be improved for out of towners, but I don't know how useful that would be in this situation

Gators also climb fences.

 

[AkumaNiko]

If no swimming means do not enter the water then what purpose do no wading signs serve? The kid was not swimming in the lake, he was standing in it. We do agree there is a difference between swimming and standing, right?

No swimming and do not enter the water are completely different warnings. You are speaking from a personal assumption standpoint and I'm coming from a legal standpoint.

My job entails workplace safety so that's why I'm talking about what the sign actually means. A warning sign must convey the exact message you wish to give. You cant leave it open to interpretation if you want to be protected legally.

Obviously we dont agree. My parents saw a no swimming sign, my brother, sister and I did not enter the lake, period. You seem to fail at grasping the concept that a "no swimming" sign should be a warning there is something wrong with the water. Im not victim blaming, but this is by no means disney's fault either.

the facts are:
Family from out of state near an unfamiliar body of water with a "Deep water, deep drop off, no swimming sign" let their child enter the water, at night, limited lighting, in a state that you would have to live under a rock to not realize there are wild animals everywhere. Poor judgement does not fault disney on this, however i can say new signs go up because sometimes you need to dumb it down for people and spell it out.

 

[Eye for an Eye]

There are signs every ten feet or so warning about not entering the water. Whether it was a gator that got him or a parasite that killed him, he should not have been near the water. Whatever happened to parents taking personal responsibilty for their actions. There's a pool just a dozen yards away he could've gone to play in.

Does someone else really have to play big brother and tell you everything you're not allowed to do and why?

People start acting like thier protected with pixie dust and magic and nothing bad can happen while they're at Disney.

 

[Jedi2016]

In regards to the sign, what it will probably come down to is whether the sign indicates the reason why swimming is prohibited. If it has a picture of an alligator on it, then there's no argument. But I'm getting the impression it doesn't.

 

[SuperOrez]

I hate how fearful this situation is making me right now. My youngest is 3 and I could totally see her breaking free while we're distracted and making a break for the water. That's why parents are insane, were responsible for these beings who are constantly unintentionally trying to kill themselves.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Really awful, should never happen in a place like that. From the coverage it sounds like alligators are pretty much everywhere and fencing wouldn't be feasible. Alligators walk on land so its not like you can stop them from going wherever they want.

Signage should be improved for out of towners, but I don't know how useful that would be in this situation

Alligators aren't really much of a threat on land. It's in the water where you are fucked.

 

[MogCakes]

I imagine the father is destroying himself inside out with regret and grief, all the planning and hope and excitement up to that day, remembering his son's smiling face and the exact moment at which he turned to see him dragged into the water, the hopeless dive and struggle against the gator as it got away, playing over and over in his memory as it will for the rest of his life.

 

[ElNino]

I imagine the father is destroying himself inside out with regret and grief, all the planning and hope and excitement up to that day, remembering his son's smiling face and the exact moment at which he turned to see him dragged into the water, the hopeless dive and struggle against the gator as it got away, playing over and over in his memory as it will for the rest of his life.

Honestly, the worst thing imagineable to me. Trying to save your child while it is taken away right in front of you, at the "Happiest Place on Earth" no less.

 

[Hazmat]

Gators also climb fences.

Yep, they can go over a chain link fence. It's also worth noting that the Disney property is huge and this man-made lake connects to a natural lake. Plus, tens of thousands of people come and go every day and in central Florida that means you just can't keep alligators out 100%.

 

[Lkr]

Christ, maybe what they say is true: Bad luck comes in threes. First that Voice singer is murdered, then the nightclub shooting, and now an alligator kills a little boy. All of this in a few days in the same damn city. Its crazy to think about.

Lake Buena Vista and Oscoela County are not Orlando

This is sad to hear about, I've been to these types of fake beaches at Disney resorts before so it's kinda surreal someone was snatched by a gator at one.

 

[Azalean]

Shit. The chance of the child being found alive is next to none. Terrible situation.

 

[Cormano]

Shit. The chance of the child being found alive is next to none. Terrible situation.

The best thing they can do now is find the alligator and sacrifice it.

 

[RSP]

I can only imagine what that poor little boy had to go through in the last moments of his life.

So very sad about this news

 

[echoshifting]

Looks like they are gearing up for another press conference in about forty-five minutes. I'm trying to be optimistic that they found the gator responsible but I kinda doubt it. I wonder how many they have found at this point?

 

[MarkMclovin]

I can only imagine what that poor little boy had to go through in the last moments of his life.

So very sad about this news

I honestly hope it was quick.

 

[dave is ok]

Looks like they are gearing up for another press conference in about forty-five minutes. I'm trying to be optimistic that they found the gator responsible but I kinda doubt it. I wonder how many they have found at this point?

Last I heard was five but it could easily be more by now

 

[3N16MA]

I'm not sure why some people think it is easy to spot a gator at 9:30 PM in a body of water. They don't exactly make themselves known before attacking,

 

[U2NUMB]

I am still numb about this... I fly on Monday to Disney world with my family that includes a 3 year old. I might have to buy one of those leashes I never said I would buy.

 

[3N16MA]

I am still numb about this... I fly on Monday to Disney world with my family that includes a 3 year old. I might have to buy one of those leashes I never said I would buy.

I'm not sure why this would make you put a leash on your child.

 

[SummitAve]

I'm not sure why this would make you put a leash on your child.

Maybe they're going on a self guided swamp tour or plan to spend time near drainage ponds.

 

[boredofcanada]

I grew up in Florida and me and other friends jumped in canals and lakes with gator signs posted all the time. Now this makes me realize how lucky I am. So sad

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

I am still numb about this... I fly on Monday to Disney world with my family that includes a 3 year old. I might have to buy one of those leashes I never said I would buy.

I actually fly in to Disney with my 3 year old son on Saturday. I figure that most places are probably at their safest after a tragedy. At least that's what I tell myself to stop from worrying.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

I wish this thread would just disappear.

As a father I can't even image what this family is going through.

hoping against hope this miraculously ends well.

 

[U2NUMB]

I actually fly in to Disney with my 3 year old son on Saturday. I figure that most places are probably at their safest after a tragedy. At least that's what I tell myself to stop from worrying.

Exactly what I was thinking after the horrible events from this weekend.. now they are certainly going to be all over security from a number of angles.

I'm not sure why this would make you put a leash on your child.

There is a zero percent chance I do it.. the thought just popped into my mind because our 3 year old loves to run.

 

[captive]

Let's not compare swimming in an ocean, the ocean, to a significantly smaller, enclosed body of water.

how is it not the same? You're entering a body of water, doesnt matter how big or small it is.

I guess cause im from the gulf coast area of Texas, i always assume any body of water can or does have alligators in it. We find them in bayous, golf courses, lakes, ponds, state parks etc etc.

 

[Skiptastic]

10mo old? I wouldn't do it. Wait a few years. The heat will be exhausting and there's really nothing for a <1yo to do.

We didn't bring our daughter to WDW until she was 5yo

It's an extended family trip and my in-laws have a time share with Disney, so...yeah. I don't really have much of a choice. I wouldn't have gone were it not for the family get together...

 

[Zackat]

Exactly what I was thinking after the horrible events from this weekend.. now they are certainly going to be all over security from a number of angles.



There is a zero percent chance I do it.. the thought just popped into my mind because our 3 year old loves to run.

There is no need to worry. Disney takes the safety of their guests to absurd levels. This story is extremely sad and shocking because of how rarely it happens. I can empathize with you though.

 

[SchrodingerC]

It's Florida man. No body of water is safe there.

NONE. EVER.

Typically springs like Rainbow River are perfectly fine. If there were gators around they would likely stay up River, away from the constant stream of people.

 

[boredofcanada]

It's Florida man. No body of water is safe there.

NONE. EVER.

That's not true man. Spent 35 years in the water there and I'm still here. Gator and shark attacks are statistically very rare

 

[pxleyes]

Typically springs like Rainbow River are perfectly fine. If there were gators around they would likely stay up River, away from the constant stream of people.

you wish.

 

[SchrodingerC]

you wish.

And? It's not going to attack the parade of people tubing down the river.

 

[norm9]

Saw a map of the area. There's an area by the water with a growth of weeds where the gator could have posted up before attacking. Scary stuff.

We're the top of the food chain but some animals certainly didnt get the notice.

 

[Horsemama1956]

Body was recovered.

 

[echoshifting]

Body was recovered.

I hope it brings the family some small measure of peace.

 

[TheCochese]

And? It's not going to attack the parade of people tubing down the river.

I went to Blue Springs a few months ago. There aren't a lot of people always, and we didn't use tubes at all.

 

[Slayer-33]

Omg body was recovered

Damn

 

[PanicFreak]

I wish this thread would just disappear.

As a father I can't even image what this family is going through.

hoping against hope this miraculously ends well.

I have been thinking about this kid's family pretty much non-stop since I heard about it. I would never recover from an incident like this one.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Body was recovered.

I'm honestly really surprised by this. Horrific situation all around though. At least his could help the family find some possibility of closure.

 

[RSP]

Body was recovered.

Sheesh ... This is too much ...

 

[Somnia]

I'm honestly really surprised by this. Horrific situation all around though. At least his could help the family find some possibility of closure.

Same here, I really hope this helps bring some closure to this. I cannot imagine what that father is going through right now.

 

[ZeroCDR]

My deepest condolences to the family.. Being a new parent myself I couldn't imagine what I'd do if this happened to us, absolutely horrifying. I never would have thought this could happen on Disney grounds of all places, any place with threat of alligators attacking should not be accessible to guests, period.

 

[WonkyPanda]

A total nightmare come true. It's even worse knowing the father and mother jumped in and couldn't do anything; gone in an instant.

 

[Kickz]

This is just to horrific to comprehend..

If I was in the situation I would probably dive in like a spazz and get taken out by multiple gators.

 

[dyergram]

So I'm at a hotel in Florida atm and there's a wall around the pool on the other side there's a lake with gators in. Iv seen two kids today climb onto the wall to look down at the gators, the fall into the lake would probably kill them even if they didn't get eaten. Don't take your kids on holiday if your going to ignore them ffs.

 

[KingWool]

Without sounding like an asshole; I'm legitimately surprised there was anything left to recover...

 

[echoshifting]

Without sounding like an asshole; I'm legitimately surprised there was anything left to recover...

So am I. I assume this will make identifying the culprit all but impossible.

 

[J-Rzez]

Don't take your kids on holiday if your going to ignore them ffs.

Good luck getting that across. People want businesses and the government to blow blillions of dollars a year on establishing a safe zone so they don't have to use commonsense and don't have to actually properly parent their kids.

Sad story all around though, I couldn't even imagine seeing something like that happen to your kids.