Yeah, those 2m copies sticket star sold prove that this series it's dead.
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Paper Mario Color Splash seems to have same (bad) boss mechanics as Sticker Star
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Yeah, those 2m copies sticket star sold prove that this series it's dead.
And the weird part is Paper mario was the original rpg series technically since it was more or less a sequel to mario rpg.
yeah this.
paper mario fans steadily staying embarrassing as mana people back in the day hysterically shrieking about legend of mana. game on its own terms looks great.
That's actually what I was thinking about Sticker Star while I was playing it. I'd have much more incentive to fight the enemies if they were getting in my way and trying to harm me in the overworld and it really felt like the turn-based combat was just there because it was in the original.
I'd be surprised if this one reached 1M considering the system it's in and how people are now aware of the "new" Paper Mario.
SomedayTheFire
Member
It's dead.
Schnozberry
Member
Considering how well Sticker Star sold I'm not surprised they didn't roll back the formula.
Captain Europe
Member
Not sure how true this is, but I've heard there's people who work on the Mario & Luigi series that have worked on Mario RPG as well.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Considering how quickly its price dropped to bargain bin levels, a lot of those 2 million didn't want to keep it.
A Link to the Past
Banned
That's the thing though, Paper Mario games' sales are low for more factors than just gameplay. Sticker Star was released a fair amount into the 3DS' lifespan, and the 3DS is definitely more successful than the N64 and GC. With the first and second games, they both released near the end of their console's life, and suffered as a result. Meanwhile, SPM released rather early, so it didn't benefit from a larger userbase.
To me, if Sticker Star was the best-selling Mario RPG, I would give them credit for their decision. It is not however, as Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story handily outsold it (and I think Superstar Saga may have as well).
Don't feel bad, TTYD was the exception, that is, the wone absolutely great game to what is a really mediocre series.
FleetingFlowAir
Member
This is exactly how I felt about Sticker Star. You get coins from battles, but the game is generous in the overworld anyway to keep you from needing any. Nothing feels worthwhile about finishing regular fights.
I can't even find it fun and engaging like Super Paper Mario was.
Paper Mario really is in a lose/lose situation for TTYD fans.
Not good enough for me to want it unfortunately. Sticker Star was an awful game, though this looks improved not enough for me to want this game when there are much better looking games out there.
64, TTYD, and Super were all fantastic games.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Eh? TTYD set the bar pretty high, but TTYD was made in part because PM was so well-received.
She seemed to have a good head on her shoulders - the producer, I mean.
By that I mean that she didn't come off as abrasive as to the change in style - hell, she recognised the aspects that made the first two so popular. She didn't run away from the question, and while the answer sucks for what it means, I appreciated the honesty as to why the new direction is being taken. Her enthusiasm for the game was also nice, felt sincere.
Plus, anyone who supports a remaster of TTYD is a good'un in my book.
Mr Waluigi
Banned
I have no issues with Sticker Star's battles. They are useless but so are they in every other Mario RPG. My issues are:
- the uninspired story
- the grave lack of new, original characters
- the shallowness of the side content
- the much simplier storytelling
- the uninspired story
- the grave lack of new, original characters
- the shallowness of the side content
- the much simplier storytelling
You get exclusive stickers from battle (a defeated Koopa give you a Koopa stickers) and you get colors for refueling.
The BS is now rewarding enough for me.
For the special cards there is a method in SS for getting a duplicate without the need to remember where the object was so it never was a problem in the first place.
The BS is now rewarding enough for me.
For the special cards there is a method in SS for getting a duplicate without the need to remember where the object was so it never was a problem in the first place.
This where I'm at. I don't have any problems with what I read in the OP. If you have the item you need, lucky for you. If you don't, just brute force it. That's what I did in SS and I had fun.
They didn't even show how they got the extinguisher. For all we know you have to get it to progress, i.e. it's blocking a path. They even said the game tries to help you by making sure you have the right items for battle
But since this is a Paper Mario thread we throw logic out the window and simply work through the list. So let's see:
Miyamoto hate ✔︎
Paper Mario is dead ✔︎
Toads complaints ✔︎
Cool
But since this is a Paper Mario thread we throw logic out the window and simply work through the list. So let's see:
Miyamoto hate ✔︎
Paper Mario is dead ✔︎
Toads complaints ✔︎
Cool
I'm done. Like, I'm seriously done.
I just want another Paper Mario game that is patterned like the first two games. As in, with funny dialogue, a cast of colourful characters (that are NOT generic Toads), and Bowser regulated to an incompetent airhead that plays second fiddle to the main antagonist.
Is that too much to ask?!
The game looks good but battle are pointless since you don't gain exp.
Also in the Treehouse stream they kept referring it as a puzzle game, so it's clear that they don't view it as a RPG anymore.
It looks nice which makes not gaining exp in battle all the more annoying as ultimately battle are just pointless.
It's because they consider Mario and Luigi as a RPG game so they started experimenting with Paper Mario despite the fact that Mario and Luigi played with the dynamic of the bros whereas Paper Mario played on the world and partner.
Also in the Treehouse stream they kept referring it as a puzzle game, so it's clear that they don't view it as a RPG anymore.
It looks nice which makes not gaining exp in battle all the more annoying as ultimately battle are just pointless.
It's because they consider Mario and Luigi as a RPG game so they started experimenting with Paper Mario despite the fact that Mario and Luigi played with the dynamic of the bros whereas Paper Mario played on the world and partner.
PM 64 might have sold well, but it was boringly linear, had no memorable characters save for kind of Lady Bow, it was a massive downgrade from SMRPG and offer no challenge.
TTYD took the formula set by the original PM and fixed everything that was wrong with it: The new characters where vastly improved versions of the ones in the 64 brimming with charm and personality; The game was more challenging and introduced the Pit of 100 Trials for extra optional challenge; The combat was better now that partners had their own HP and the stage mechanics; Plot was still linear but it was much much better than the standard "go stop bowser" retread.
Super Paper Mario, well it is inferior to TTYD, but i guess it's unfair to call it a bad game, but i find it hypocritical that people criticize sticker star for deviating from the RPG mechanics when SPM was the first one to be incredibly, radically different from the previous games, how come no one brings up that SPM was the one to start deviating from the formula?
I understand criticizing the latest games for being bad, but they're hardly "ruining" a franchise which only has one certified good game.
I mean, what does it say about the PM franchise when the best game they have had since TTYD is technically a M&L game.
But Paper Mario 64 is better and SPM is also a really good game.
Captain Europe
Member
Kinda makes sense Nintendo wants M&L to continue as the RPG series then. Paper Mario could be the console RPG series I suppose, but if they do move to a shared library between console and handheld then there's no reason for two Mario RPG series.
MIyamoto's fault that Sticker Star and this one have no original characters and a barebones story
Paper Mario is dead to people that liked it as an RPG, and/or like it for it's original characters and original plots
There are too many shitty toads.
The12thGripper
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Green Mamba
Member
Good to see the series was gutted because producers saw a problem that didn't exist.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I never played Sticker Star, but everything described in your post sounds fun and novel. This game seems to have cute and interesting ideas, and I know it's all hinged on execution. But, people are really projecting Sticker Star baggage onto it without even trying it. It's Nintendo. So they made a poorly received entry in the past. Most of their output is great.
In my case I didn't mind the RPG mechanics being removed, I love Paper Mario for the original characters. Sticker Star and Color Splash are huge fuck yous to me personally
Heh, maybe they will take heart in the fact it's a 50/50 split as opposed to 80/20 hate?
I fully expect things to change.
GustyGardens
Banned
I can understand other complaints, but you can't criticize a story of a game that you haven't played. Sticker Star wasn't great, but you also mention Color Splash and its story.
Jesus christ lol. Sounds like they indulged all of Miyamoto's worst impulses.
fine, whatever. there's still no original characters, and I don't think they'll make a good story with only basic mario characters
Linkstrikesback
Member
Because super didn't even want to be an RPG. Sticker star still wanted to. It was just really bad at it. Sticker star should have kept something like supers overworld battle system, and ditched using stickers for anything other than overworld puzzles entirely.
Captain Europe
Member
We don't know anything about Colour Splash' story or characters yet.
You are in luck Color Splash has rewards for beating battles.
My question: if Nintendo really cut bait with Paper Mario as an RPG series because of M&L's existence... why? PM was a really unique, different type of RPG with very low HP & attack values, badge points etc. M&L was never as unique. The two styles are not at odds with each other, there was no oversaturation of the "Mario RPG" market so to speak.
I sincerely doubt they have a creative story in the works for this. I'd like to be surprised but come on, every character is a Toad and the bosses we've seen are Koopalings. I'll be very surprised if the story goes beyond Bowser being a dick.
Yeah, if Mario, Wario, Yoshi and DK are all allowed to have their own franchises where they run to the right and jump on things, what's wrong with two Mario RPG's? Also I'd argue that M&L was plenty unique in its combat system being entirely about evading and countering attacks in a deeper way than just reaction time button presses. Still adds to the point that it's different from Paper Mario.
M&L was pretty unique. Beanbean kingdom was awesome.
The main problem with it was that you were never guaranteed to have found the item and sometimes there would be little to no clues on where or what the item was. So you could wander around looking for a specific item. It also incentivizes you into not using strong items cause it may be the one needed for the boss.
This is technically outdated already, we already saw Color Splash in the very least has Sentai dressed toads.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
R.I.P. Paper Mario. You will will always be loved, not for the monster you currently are, but for the angel you once were.