ElfArmy177
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I agree.... but at the same time I still don't believe it's Disney's fault... this is a freak accident and it's noones "fault"... but I still stand by my statement that if a sign says no swimming.. stay out of the water..
Gator drags child into water near Disney's Grand Floridian
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I agree.... but at the same time I still don't believe it's Disney's fault... this is a freak accident and it's noones "fault"... but I still stand by my statement that if a sign says no swimming.. stay out of the water..
SoRuffShoNuff
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You do realize there is a massive difference in swimming and standing in ankle deep water, correct? I don't think it's even possible to swim in ankle deep water. There are plenty of instances where no swimming means just that, no swimming.
"Don't swim" is fairly different than "stay out of the water." And "stay out of the water" is different than "be on the watch for alligators," which will make you alert to dangers on land and in the water. I've read online that there are waivers guests have to sign acknowledging these issues, but not sure if it's just internet rumor. I have a 3 year old and 8 month old and it's easy to get distracted from time to time. I can't imagine the pain this family is going through and the horrible last moments for this little boy. Blame is not my first inclination, just sadness right now.
IndoAssassin
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Man I can't imagine what the parents are going through.
Just thinking if it was my daughter, who is same age, horrifies me.
Man how do you move on from a young child taken from you like that?
Just thinking if it was my daughter, who is same age, horrifies me.
Man how do you move on from a young child taken from you like that?
You agree but then you double down on your statement... no swimming does not mean no wading.
TheCochese
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Not really one to talk about poor reasoning here.
Maybe when you book the hotel it's in the fine print or something, but I never have signed a waiver at any of the properties I've stayed at.
Also to add to what you said, the gators sign would absolutely change how you act. Gators CAN and have attacked on land. Amazing to me that they let people lounge and walk the waters edge with no mention of this.
The Faceless Master
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are they White?
serious question here because i remember the tide turning from the Zoo to the parent after people saw the parent.
Holy shit no there's a clear reason. One is an animal cage that is very clearly dangerous... the other is a seemingly harmless white sandy beach in the comfort of Disney.
SaviourMK2
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But seriously, I'm sorry for the families loss
Taken way too young
Baron Aloha
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RE: No swimming signs.... I saw a pic of one on CNN earlier...not sure if it was the one at the lagoon or not... but that shit had an alligator on it and everything.
Pretty much. I live in a suburban neighborhood where they keep building more and they like to add little ponds where there wasn't any before and I've even seen a gator chilling in there.
EclipseGST
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Oh silly you. Family will probably get some amount of money though. (No amount of money will make them feel better and I doubt Disney will go bankrupt even if they lose a court battle.)
Not at this hotel, that's the one at the neighboring hotel.
Cellbomber
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The canals are their highways and they can pretty much get into any neighborhood/city area. They live in storm drains, ponds or any waterway. Basically being near the water you should be careful.
Isn't it a state law in FL to kill any gator over a certain size if it's called in as a pest and captured (in yard, pool, road, etc)?
So you have no ideas about alligators then.
These fuckers find ponds, lakes, streams and in Florida, especially in a area with as huge untouched land as Disney World it's literally impossible to exterminate them.
Jack Scofield
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What do gators in urban areas normally eat? I can't think of any wild animal that's big enough to be their prey.
Valkerionseven
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Gators eat mostly anything that enters their territory while hungry. Opportunistic hunters, while also being the apex predator in the region. If they wander into urban areas it's most likely smaller animals like stray dogs/cats/pets left outside. Not to mention opossum, raccoon, and other random animals that are not pets but live in urban areas. Also lots of sea life, namely large fish like bass and what not. They tend to not attack things bigger than them as it's harder to drag in the water, but few animals in the region are larger than an alligator save for bears, fully grown deer, and puma. Though that does not stop them either.
Cellbomber
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Other stuff is in the water to eat. Also cats, dogs and other animals I'm sure get preyed upon often when they are on the banks of the water. Gators actually can travel long distances due to the canal systems so they may bounce around and I believe have been recorded doing so.
I remember Steve Irwin did an episode on gators within an urban area of Florida once.
Small animals and whatever they can find near a water system.
Disney is built on gator territory and a large majority of it is just acres of wildlife and water systems.
This picture doesn't even include all of Disney World.
boredofcanada
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Oh, wise alligator sensei, show me where I said you could get rid of them? I said that they're pests, who killed a child last night, and there should be no more concern for their lives than that of a rat in a trap.
Your post implies that you just go out and kill gators like rats and you equate them equally.
What you're calling for is people patrolling 27,258 acres of swamp land and water systems to go out and kill alligators, including more people to prevent them from coming in through the surrounding areas.
No need for the sarcasm when you either have no grasp for what you're calling for or can't write what you mean in a post. Possibly both.
Where did I say that you have to hunt them indiscriminately? I was replying to a poster that said the humans were the real horror for killing the alligators found in the lake to check them for the remains of the child that was killed. The life of an alligator is worth no more than the life of a rat.
I never said that Disney or the state of Florida needs to hunt them to exterminate them. Don't blame your poor reading comprehension and need to attack people on me.
brandonh83
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I live in the Florida panhandle and they're everywhere. It's not uncommon for me to see one out driving, there's a body of water right by one of the roads here and I see really big ones just chilling by the water sometimes when I drive by. It's always cool to see them but pretty scary at the same time.
First, you started the character attacks, don't get mad that you can't handle what you dish.
Second,
implies you actually think that killing alligators would be effective in the first place. Which it isn't.Hazmat said:
Looks like someone did not get to go to disney when they were a kid.
then again, this post is pure bait and i bet you would be too chicken to reply again
Tal Shiar Agent
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That doesn't imply that at all, and you seem really intense about this so I'm going to walk away. Congratulations on knowing exactly what everybody means all the time and for remembering so much from your third grade report on alligators. It's clearly very important to you.
Robot Pants
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This post encapsulates NeoGaf perfectly
Big Baybee
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Honestly if I see a sign that says no swimming, I'd equate it to don't get in this water.
Honestly, if anyone thinks disney will get into big trouble for this is out of their minds. If it was not for disney central florida would consist of a parking lot and gas station. Disney will not even get lawyers involved, they will give them a few million, a life time pass to disney and unlimited stays in hotels.
im sure the parents are not thinking lawsuit right now
Lets put things in perspective. the Magic Kingdom has an average of 53,000 visitors a day. A DAY. One of the 4 parks. the average admission fee is $100. $5,300,000.00 a day, single park, not including merch, food, hotels other parks.
shhhhh common sense is not allowed in this thread.
Not to mention a 2 foot tall 2 year old in a foot of water is not wadding. Swimming does not always just mean the action of swimming. the majority of normal people consider swimming as just getting in the water and moving around
im sure the parents are not thinking lawsuit right now
Lets put things in perspective. the Magic Kingdom has an average of 53,000 visitors a day. A DAY. One of the 4 parks. the average admission fee is $100. $5,300,000.00 a day, single park, not including merch, food, hotels other parks.
shhhhh common sense is not allowed in this thread.
Not to mention a 2 foot tall 2 year old in a foot of water is not wadding. Swimming does not always just mean the action of swimming. the majority of normal people consider swimming as just getting in the water and moving around
mugoldeneagle03
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I'm starting to see a lot of "dont criticize parenting if you don't have kids" posts on Facebook and Twitter now, kind of annoying.
This was a 2 year old, by alligator infested waters, and the only thing I've read is that somehow that boy ended up near the water. SOMEHOW??!?!
Even if you do consider this an accident how many people in this situation would let a 2 year old be by himself even for a few minutes? I don't get it. So fucking sad.
This was a 2 year old, by alligator infested waters, and the only thing I've read is that somehow that boy ended up near the water. SOMEHOW??!?!
Even if you do consider this an accident how many people in this situation would let a 2 year old be by himself even for a few minutes? I don't get it. So fucking sad.
They will get many millions more if this goes to court.
Zoe
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I saw a home flipper show that lured a gator out of the pool with a bucket of fried chicken.
It came back before the open house.
Jesus christ...
https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/743254664011931649
https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/743254664011931649
That's the way I tend to look at it. If people don't want me in there, I don't want to get near it.
I'm one who does assign some (emphasis on some) blame on the parents, but two year olds absolutely can break away quickly. You can set them down, look up, look down, and they've scampered off. At night in a crowd you should be a lot more careful, especially by a water's edge (which is why I assign some of the responsibility to the parents here). This is the kind of parenting goof that can happen in a couple of seconds, and is typically quickly rectified by just going and picking them up.
I think it's natural to think the place you are in is relatively safe if you're at Disney, despite a 'no swimming' sign. I certainly wouldn't think a toddler going ankle-deep in the water for a few moments could be fatal (which I why I put most of the blame on Disney). Signs simply saying there were crocodiles in the water would be sufficient.
It's a reasonable interpretation, but so is, hey, my kid was just barely touching the water, not swimming. Now if it said, no swimming - crocodiles, that's a whole other thing.
im sure they did. but you honestly think they are talking lawsuit 24 hours after their kid dies? it will be years before they see a dime unless they get disney to settle
no he's equating them to rats in that if they infiltrate your home or territory it's the right thing to exterminate them. We don't go out and just hunt rats at random... nobody does it for fun unless theyre twisted. If a gator is on your property and it calls for it, unfortunately the right thing to do is to do away with the problem. I'm of the mindset that if it can be done humanely do it that way, but in some cases the kill is necessary.
maybe because it was a designated beach area with beach chairs right on the water and white sands? The family was in all likelihood completely shocked that there were gators in those waters. It's insane how many people on your side of the argument assume that everyone in the world knows how prevalant gators are in florida. For the vast majority of people going to disney world, which often is a once or twice in a lifetime kind of deal, the last thing they are thinking about are dangerous creatures attacking themselves. Disney should've done a better job making sure the people not local to the area, were aware a significant danger was present.
Agreed 100%. Like I said I've seen my fair share of people in these waters... hell they allow canoes and paddle boats in these waters. I'd be willing to bet the number of people on or around these waters plummets outside of the purpose of seeking out gators.
It's just strange to see a "no swimming" sign without any other kind of warning unless it's just trespassing. We have them in creeks in our city but they say "stay out of water, RAW SEWAGE!" Pretty clear. Just seems like Disney didn't want to scare people with a more descriptive warning. Plus seeing pictures of that beach it's pretty clear many wouldn't think twice about alligators being in those waters (not everyone is educated about it)
you are missing the point. there was a no swimming sign. people are trying not to victim blame by blaming the no swimming sign. Swimming does not always mean the actual motion of swimming, a 2 foot toddler in a foot of water wadding around some people call swimming.
when a no swimming sign is present, maybe instead of treating it as a bendible guideline, you should treat it as the warning sign as it should be.
CaptainofIndustry
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I honestly don't understand people. I made the mistake of going on Facebook and doing a search under the kid's name just to find out more about him and some of the comments I read made me realize why the world is as fucked up as it is.
My prayers go out to his family.
My prayers go out to his family.
GoldenEye 007
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Alligators are native to Florida and are found everywhere. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.
RockTurtle
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people are picking weird times and situations to bring up the white privilege thing...
Of course I understand that,but you can't just kill a gator or two, humanely or not. Even if you theoretically kill off the entire area of all gators, they're guaranteed to come back through waterways and swamp land, and come into the perimeters, like where the Resort Hotels/Parks are.
You can kill the gators off, but at the end of the day, it's not going to be effective.
Some urban areas have this issue, it's more than an uphill battle for a company that consist mainly of swamp land and water ways.
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