Shake Appeal
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They said they have different expectations for different heroes based on averages for those heroes in different categories. Your Mercy will be judged on her healing, for instance.
Overwatch competitive mode out today on PC, next week on consoles
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all that still affects your winrate though. if you're a higher skill player doing things like that you'll reach high mmr even if the algorithm has trouble quantifying your individual play.
randomlee26
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So is it considered super-uncool to play as Bastion? I like playing him during Payload runs, but some 12-year-old was all bent out of shape.
Shake Appeal
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Also, the game tracks, e.g., damage nullified by a Lucio ultimate. It looks for that. Of course it's never going to be able to judge the importance or relevance of stats and behaviors the way a human would, but there's an effort to quantify different kinds of contributions.
He is generally considered a weak hero and is only trotted out by pros in very specific gambits on Control maps. But that doesn't mean he can't crush normal players in the right circumstances.
People too often look at the pro meta and think it applies to them.
He's a great defense hero if you find intelligent places to use him.
Unfortunately if you can't set him up properly you're completely useless, so he's a common hero newbs often handicap their team with.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I always consider it a badge of honor when somebody gets pissed at me for having fun playing the game in a way that I find fun. Do what you want. People who get bent out of shape should find their own group if they want to be so controlling.
They always do.
He has a lot of counters but is still strong if you play him right and do map mechanics. Basically heroes like widow,hanzo,torb and bastion have a bad stigma over them because many people that play them don't care about objectives and the game ends up feeling like a 5v6 for a team. When playing those characters you need to be conscious that people will always start off thinking you're bad and you have to prove to then that you're not one of the bad people that play them but one of the good ones that understands the objectives of the maps.
KillerDark
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Don't worry about it, play what you want. A good Bastion (especially supported by others like a Reinhardt/Mercy) can be extremely devastating.
I get that it's apparently looking at your individual performance when assigning a rating. But what do ragequitter/leaver matches do? Of course I'm going to get 5 golds if my teams keep leaving me to 1v6. I just don't understand why these botched matches have to count towards your 10 placement matches.
Just remember to move around as much as possible. Bad bastions find a spot and never inch until they die.
The Lamonster
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Correct - hitting rank 25 takes about 48 hours.
rank 25 takes less than 20 Hours.
robertlebrone
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Lol this is like 20 hours of play minimum if you are playing solo.
If it's anything like Starcraft, you'll have a individual ratings for your party.
So, if you and a friend party up and play, that group will have its own rating.
If another friend joins your party, that new group of three will have its own rating.
If you play solo, you'll have your own rating.
Rank should have nothing to do with matchmaking, it should be all skill-based.
Seems reasonable for an grown adult to achieve in two days then. Why is everyone complaining?
randomlee26
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Yeah. I do try to keep moving, since he can die so quickly.
And yeah, the people who go nuts about things like that really need to dial it down. Heroes of the Storm wasn't too toxic when i played. This will probably calm down eventually.
Still lots of fun.
That's completely incorrect.
I'm level 29 (almost level 30) with 21 hours played. I was never in the beta, and I'm an average FPS player at best.
Hm, just got into my first Sudden Death situation and I'm already considering never playing competitive again because of that bs. Why couldn't they just let the team that got to the last reached point faster win, I legitimately ragequit just now because of that coin flip loss, sent me straight into a bad mood.
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He's easily countered, and unless the team is working around him he's just not very good.
It's being removed for season 2, so we just have to deal with it for 1.5 months.
Apologies if posted already but there's a hugely insightful post by Jeff Kaplan that should be added to OP:
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371
Amusing anecdote about the Widowmaker player that was avoided by everyone. Blocking players has now gone as a result.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371
Amusing anecdote about the Widowmaker player that was avoided by everyone. Blocking players has now gone as a result.
I still think it's pretty stupid to simply cut the fonctionality. To avoid things like that you simply make it work as a "try to avoid". Matchmaking will first try to find a game like it did, then after a given time ( which could be based on the player pool at a given mmr and the average waiting time ) begin to ignore the block request.
They could program it so that premades take penalties vs strangers not organized. Not hard either and am wondering why it wasn't done.
CrunchyFrog
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Nonsense, Rocket League has like 1/8 the sales of OW and has perfectly functional solo ranked matchmaking. Put me also in the column of people wanting this. It's hard sometimes to get a full group of five together, so having everyone on the same playing field with randoms is the best solution.
TheAngryMonkey
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No shame in a winning strategy
Kuro Madoushi
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Guess I've been somewhat lucky.
8-2 and the two losses we were pretty outclassed and my team couldn't kill shit.
1 super close match that was quite fun but the other matches we seemed to roll the other team pretty hard. The thing I like is that I don't usually carry (maybe one of those games) and even with 19 kills I didn't have a medal as a suppor character (means the offensive characters actually were offensive)
8-2 and the two losses we were pretty outclassed and my team couldn't kill shit.
1 super close match that was quite fun but the other matches we seemed to roll the other team pretty hard. The thing I like is that I don't usually carry (maybe one of those games) and even with 19 kills I didn't have a medal as a suppor character (means the offensive characters actually were offensive)
NeoRaider
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Just bad luck or is this normal? Had 3 games with 3 leavers, all games counted as a loss. Two times they left in the first round, the other one left after we lost the first round.
I lost first 3 games too.
What happens if i lost all 10? lol I hope to win at least 5.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
what the fuck kinda bullshit sudden death mode did they implement?! just played one match. went to SD. Randomly put on the attacking team. shit was over in what, 2 mins? you get 2 mins to move the fucking payload? so basically you get put on offense in SD you're immediately at a huge disadvantage. fuck that.
Isn't sudden death also 2 rounds? No?
my friend gets so cranky at the team and even when i know im not playing well hes being nice because we are friends but if we werent he would be cranky at me too so it's extra hilarious for me
chrominance
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My general rule is that pissy 12-year-olds don't get to tell me how I should enjoy a game. You do you.
Did you DC at any point in the game?
You can also receive a loss for performing very poorly and simply getting carried to a victory.
competitive is bullshit btw
the servers were shit and I got disconnected, I immediately rejoined the game, and got back in.. we won that round, then lost the next, then had a great overtime and pulled it off..
but it counted as a loss, because I got disconnected.. here are threads about it from overwatch forums:
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745615327
and from reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiv...ning_placement_matches_and_winning_counts_as/
so what is the point of rejoining? what a stupid fucking system
makes me not want to play tbqh
the servers were shit and I got disconnected, I immediately rejoined the game, and got back in.. we won that round, then lost the next, then had a great overtime and pulled it off..
but it counted as a loss, because I got disconnected.. here are threads about it from overwatch forums:
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745615327
and from reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiv...ning_placement_matches_and_winning_counts_as/
so what is the point of rejoining? what a stupid fucking system
makes me not want to play tbqh
tbh that's not that bad at all
I'm already finding the matches becoming a bit more evenly matched and competitive as the ratings shake out a bit. There's still a lot of people coming into competitive with a quick play sort of attitude that is pretty frustrating, but in general, I'm finding more people that seem interested in coordinating.
The biggest issue right now to me is the apparent bug or miscalibration that is causing king of the hill maps to have very little impact at all on your rating. It's incredibly frustrating to go five rounds and win a hard fought king of the hill match and receive peanuts, just to then turn around and get stomped on a payload map causing you to lose an entire rank. It's crazy, and it has to be causing some issues with some players getting stuck at a lower rank than they should be just because they've happened to get put into a lot of king of the hill matches.
The biggest issue right now to me is the apparent bug or miscalibration that is causing king of the hill maps to have very little impact at all on your rating. It's incredibly frustrating to go five rounds and win a hard fought king of the hill match and receive peanuts, just to then turn around and get stomped on a payload map causing you to lose an entire rank. It's crazy, and it has to be causing some issues with some players getting stuck at a lower rank than they should be just because they've happened to get put into a lot of king of the hill matches.
Leavers and groups completely fuck up matchmaking. What is the point of having a forced loss the moment someone leaves early? Why even continue to the match.
Also an EU issue, matching making should consider spoken language. Had a few rounds with Russians who couldn't understand what I typed or said.
Also an EU issue, matching making should consider spoken language. Had a few rounds with Russians who couldn't understand what I typed or said.
Herbspiceguy
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2 wins, no communication at all on EU side
mostly negative experiences, more so than Quick Play
team comp shenanigans: I had to deal with teams with double Bastions and double Hanzo's ... yeah
as well as shitty play; fuckbois attacking at enemy team's spawn on defense at the start, they get rekt and first point is taken really fast
had 1 or 2 leavers in total
placed 42, now at 43 trying to work my way up, these matches have been a better experience than the placement ones
mostly negative experiences, more so than Quick Play
team comp shenanigans: I had to deal with teams with double Bastions and double Hanzo's ... yeah
as well as shitty play; fuckbois attacking at enemy team's spawn on defense at the start, they get rekt and first point is taken really fast
had 1 or 2 leavers in total
placed 42, now at 43 trying to work my way up, these matches have been a better experience than the placement ones
So how are the ranks? 100 is best, 0 is worst? Everyone I'm seeing in my group is around 50-60 while I'm still at qualification matches. Do only wins count or can you also climb up when losing but playing very good?
I heard there is a limit of 50... is this the player lvl or the rank and what does this limit do?
I heard there is a limit of 50... is this the player lvl or the rank and what does this limit do?
This lol, I had a bastion on hollywood in the room across from attacker spawn asking me in chat why I wasn't damage boosting him. 2 seconds after he sent the message he was dead, I replied "that's why". We lost that game.
Don't worry once you hit lvl 58-60 you will get your shit kicked in. There are some ridiculous fucking groups out there.
So far my experience with Competitive has been positive. The first match put me into a lost match already so that particular one was awful, but the rest have been very fun. At least people fight for the objectives instead of kills.
The last one I had in particular ended in an awesome melee in Gibraltar that we lost in the end but we didn't care, we had a lot of fun, some crazy shit went down there. There were no bad words, no finger pointing, no "ez" no "learn2play retard" and shit like this you so usually see in quick play. That said, I only did 5 matches and still need to be ranked, but that was definetely the best group experience with pugs so far.
The last one I had in particular ended in an awesome melee in Gibraltar that we lost in the end but we didn't care, we had a lot of fun, some crazy shit went down there. There were no bad words, no finger pointing, no "ez" no "learn2play retard" and shit like this you so usually see in quick play. That said, I only did 5 matches and still need to be ranked, but that was definetely the best group experience with pugs so far.