Norwegian_Imposter
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He's so whipped by everyone around him
The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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31GhostsIV
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Murdoch dying in itself would be best for Britain. How about a referendum to 'take back control' of our media from that nefarious, vampiric sack of shit? He should have gone down with the phone scandal, instead it's business as usual for the cancer-of-the-world known as News Corp.
Funky Papa
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I'm at a loss of words.
efyu_lemonardo
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fucking shameless!
AHA-Lambda
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Same I was a strong No voter before, I just didn't believe in it or think the case was strong enough tbh.
However, we're fucked if we stay, we need out now.
Palculator
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Jesus Christ on a crystal meth binge! Should've been sacked, that guy.
Baleoce
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Not that we don't already know this but, if that isn't a blatant reminder of just how much the media oversteps its mark in aggressively influencing political decisions I don't know what is. Why does Murdoch get to submit millions of votes in his ballot as opposed to 1? Or influence who leads a party next. Nothing annoys me more than having papers claim allegiances in these kinds of situations.
Helensmith
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Damn I was hoping she would block it if she wins. Didn't she campaign for remain? Maybe she'll be less stubborn on leave negotiations then.
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ferrasvansen
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1.27 million people
Elaugaufein
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Nope, said she was going hardline. No freedom of movement. First priority.
efyu_lemonardo
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it's fucking warmongering
Helensmith
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Yeah I agree, the riots will pass and cost however millions, but still a reasonable price compared to the long term loss of Brexit.
Pretty much. I was a very strong NO before.
Now I think it can't be much worse. if we go independent. Especially with the shit show down south. There seems to be a lot less infighting among parties in Scotland as well.
It's a fantasy.
For the politicians in this country, it's their worst nightmare. For a long time, our lot in Westminster have been able to over promise and under deliver whilst working in various shades of grey when addressing matters.
Won't work anymore. It's political suicide to promise no freedom of movement because it can't be done without eviscerating our economy.
Ravensmash
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It's a majority nonetheless.
Arguing about the terms of the referendum result now is fruitless.
If there was such a possibility that it'd hinge on a tight vote, then that should have been discussed prior.
What's done is done. We just need to get on and make the most of it.
And I'm a staunch remain voter.
AHA-Lambda
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That's what I'm more worried about, the Yes movement has certainly grown since 2014 but it's still going to be very close =/
Riots are exactly what we have to prevent at all costs.
But she's fine with not factoring in the will of 16-18 year olds. They aren't people, I guess?
A bit facetious, but it's going to be the case that the electorate at the point leaving happens is going to be different from the electorate right now.
She cannot, 7 days after a referendum,whilst campaigning to be leader of the tory party, declare she's not going to Brexit. If she did it wouldn't matter what her position was, she would never win - and she could even be deselected.
By making immigration the number 1 thing she declares to the party she will fight for the issue they want her to fight on - knowing full well that she can't accomplish it. What that means down the road is up for discussion. She's given herself until Christmas to activate article 50, and it will be really interesting to see who she would put in charge of EU negotiations. If it's Gove or Fox, we're fucked.
accel
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The will of 16-18 year olds is factored in.
Really, as others said, it's a no go. Let's just stop talking about it. What happened, happened. (Yes, I am pro-Leave, but if it was Remain that won, I'd have said the same thing.)
It's quite literally happened in other countries and there was no fallout.
What's dangerous is completely destroying an economy for no god damned reason.
If there's one takeaway from all of this, it's that career politicians (Cameron, Johnson, Farage, Corbyn?) care much more about their career than their country and will gladly cause all kinds of mayhem if they think it will advance their personal agenda.
These people should never be given one iota of power again. Appalling.
I don't know much about Theresa May, but what little I read sent shivers up my spine. I'm truly sorry BritGaf.
These people should never be given one iota of power again. Appalling.
I don't know much about Theresa May, but what little I read sent shivers up my spine. I'm truly sorry BritGaf.
Funky Papa
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Coming from an uneducated gobshite too, when you consider the absurd amount of British people living in the continent. There are well above 700 000 Britons living in Spain, most of them pensioners. And that's just one country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_migration_to_Spain
Ironically enough, British expats are one of the less integrated minorities as they prefer to live in insular communities.
formasymphonic
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Why not just scrap democratic process all together in that case.
The whole point of democracy is learning to accept defeat gracefully and deal with the aftermath in a civilised manner.
Close but I think having Gove or May in office will push it for yes I don't know anyone up here that likes either of them.
Combine that with how the EU argument is out of the window (only way to be in the EU is to stay part of the UK) and it could certainly push it for Yes.
Palculator
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Solid Snake is on the job.
There are only 11 countries in the world that count 16 as voting age.
Argentina
Austria
Bosnia
Brazil
Cuba
Ecuador
Guernsey
Isle of Man
Jersey
Nicaragua
Scotland
So it isn't exactly fair to criticise them for that.
AHA-Lambda
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Accepting defeat in this case is accepting a recession, a complete and utter destruction of our economy and scrapping the livelihoods of young people all over Britain.
If a vote was won by idiot voters not reading what they were voting for saying everyone in the UK had to go jump off a cliff and die, would you do it?
Pankratous
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Riots, however damaging they are, serve a use. There is a silver lining in riots. They send a message. Obviously, peaceful protest is preferred.
Helensmith
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What kind of social policy reforms is she thinking of?
Holy shit. It never ends.
Audioboxer
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Maybe already posted but LOL, Sturgeon going full savage. Someone toss her a snickers.
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/748488404636209153
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/748488404636209153
accel
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You are wildly exaggerating, the economy is not getting destroyed.
I don't think I am going to go in depth on how big the damage from riots or whatnot can get, it's self-evident. Countries are destroyed, hundreds of thousands or millions of people die violent deaths.
My point was simply that the electorate at the point of Brexit might want to remain. That's not trivial to reconcile.
Oh, well now that's just perfect.
She has been extremely vigorous in attacking the police for racism, for example. Like, more so than any other Home Secretary ever. She was also surprisingly strong about Hillsborough.
She's an odd character. When given space she seems to be quite socially liberal, but that contrasts with the awful immigration stuff she's done. It's hard to marry the two to be honest, and does leave you wonder if she has only been dealing with immigration to keep her job and as party policy rather than her instincts.
(She is the person who called the Tory party the nasty pasty after all).
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A majority in a dumb opinion poll. The government has gone back on promises it's made to 100% of the population countless times. Who gives a shit if a bunch of fools, morons and racists get upset about this? You can't flush the country down the toilet for their sake.
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