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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
That whole imagery is just some graphic designer getting funky with their brief. It really should have been noticed prior to implementation, but it doesn't really reflect on any particular politician.
May is very authoritarian though.
SlipperyFishes
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God can you imagine the power plays between May, Clinton and Merkel?
Scary
Scary
CyclopsRock
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Especially given the context - ie, the alternatives - all the hate Gove gets really baffles me. Yeah, we all have friends on Facebook who are teachers, but he was basically executing the Tory education policy as per their manifesto.
Given that he's Scottish, we could just kick Gove back to Scotland if they became independent...
Given that he's Scottish, we could just kick Gove back to Scotland if they became independent...
It's probably worth explaining something to our American and European friends who are reading this and getting a taste of UK politics (by the way, welcome! Great to see so many getting involved
).The position of Home Secretary is the hardest position in UK politics. You have a very wide range of responsibilities to take care of, from domestic security, to immigration, to liaising with emergency service unions.
The Home Secretary basically takes responsibility, in a way, for everything that isn't related to the economy or foreign policy. Sounds good?
Not really. Basically if there is a terror attack, mass strikes, power cuts, too much immigration, deaths in custody, police corruption, the Home Secretary gets blamed, takes the fall and resigns.
The position of Home Secretary has an average lifespan of about 22 minutes. It is incredibly difficult.
At a time of economic uncertainty, with ISIS growing in stature across Europe and with the world changing very quickly, she has remained in her post for 6 years, the longest term in the job for over 100 years.
She is also not as propped up by vested interests as other candidates.
In politics, she is well known as not really being a schmoozer, more a getting on with it type of thing, and she has taken on some very powerful organisations and won, for example the US government on the McKinnon case and the police unions on racism/Hillsborough.
Here is a speech she gave to the police federation. Please note, this is a room full of police officers (institutionally racist) that she is saying it to. This takes some fucking cajones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmPNwf03qV0
She is the right woman for the job.
Not surprised that Boris bottled it the moment he realised he'd have to fight for the leadership and he wouldn't just be given it.
He'll definitely be back by next election though, the Tory leadership right now it a suicidal job whoever gets it (May seems safe) will come out of it either having crippled the economy, not restricted immigration "enough" or more likely both.
But then again, if the Labour implosion continues long enough the Tories will probably remain in power regardless of how fucked the country is, it's not like the Lib Dems are in any position to claw back seats. Losing their Third Party status has caused them to fade completely into irrelevance.
He'll definitely be back by next election though, the Tory leadership right now it a suicidal job whoever gets it (May seems safe) will come out of it either having crippled the economy, not restricted immigration "enough" or more likely both.
But then again, if the Labour implosion continues long enough the Tories will probably remain in power regardless of how fucked the country is, it's not like the Lib Dems are in any position to claw back seats. Losing their Third Party status has caused them to fade completely into irrelevance.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Everyone dislikes him because he is repulsive. That may or may not be fair, but that is how he comes across. He's weird as hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnXoQeGnT4Q .
Ravensmash
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Just when you think our political landscape couldn't get even more crazy.
What a morning.
What a morning.
It's probably worth explaining something to our American and European friends who are reading this and getting a taste of UK politics (by the way, welcome! Great to see so many getting involved
The position of Home Secretary is the hardest position in UK politics. You have a very wide range of responsibilities to take care of, from domestic security, to immigration, to liaising with emergency service unions.
The Home Secretary basically takes responsibility, in a way, for everything that isn't related to the economy or foreign policy. Sounds good?
Not really. Basically if there is a terror attack, mass strikes, power cuts, too much immigration, deaths in custody, police corruption, the Home Secretary gets blamed, takes the fall and resigns.
The position of Home Secretary has an average lifespan of about 22 minutes. It is incredibly difficult.
At a time of economic uncertainty, with ISIS growing in stature across Europe and with the world changing very quickly, she has remained in her post for 6 years, the longest term in the job for over 100 years.
She is also not as propped up by vested interests as other candidates.
In politics, she is well known as not really being a schmoozer, more a getting on with it type of thing, and she has taken on some very powerful organisations and won, for example the US government on the McKinnon case and the police unions on racism/Hillsborough.
Here is a speech she gave to the police federation. Please note, this is a room full of police officers (institutionally racist) that she is saying it to. This takes some fucking cajones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmPNwf03qV0
She is the right woman for the job.
Thanks, ok, she has balls, but what does she stand for?
efyu_lemonardo
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Maybe he dropped out just to spite Juncker, who said during the last EU parliament meeting that it goes down every time Boris opens his mouth
AHA-Lambda
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So May hates:
Human Rights Act
Personal Privacy
Immigrants
Am I missing anything?
Human Rights Act
Personal Privacy
Immigrants
Am I missing anything?
That's the thing - Gove is problematic because he's a drip who has shown no autonomy or decision making capability, while May is an ideologue with conviction who would happily become Big Sister 'for the benefit of the country'.
He'd be hung from the rafters up here. Probably why he made a go of it in the far south.
I'm disgusted I share my home town with him. Disgusted.
yes
CharmingCharlie
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May or Gove at this point I think my preference would be for an outsider to enter the race. I dunno some one like Kim Jong Un, anyone know if he is free these days ?
If May wins I can see her making the Thatcher years look like paradise. If Gove wins well I don't think I have the mental capacity to envision how utterly shit life will be under his reign.
If May wins I can see her making the Thatcher years look like paradise. If Gove wins well I don't think I have the mental capacity to envision how utterly shit life will be under his reign.
efyu_lemonardo
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British television has outdone itself.
When you think about it, EU may be the thing the least discussed during and after a campaign about EU.
She is more of a pragmatist than an ideologue. She stands for basically continuing the work of Cameron.
Unfortunately, yes.
He suppports homeopathy, and wants to take down the NHS and replace it with a US style healthcare system.
He was heavily in favour of exam reforms, bringing back old school style exams, and also creating more creationist schools.
He has shown support for capital punishment, and hanging in particular.
He is not someone you want to have leading the country.
As fucking awful as she would be, honestly May doesn't seem quite so bad in comparison.
Chin up, Charlie! You took back control!
I'm gutted we lost Tak3n just before the main event.
Baleoce
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So he's the key figure in the Conservatives leave campaign, gets what he wanted, and realises that it's too much of a shitstorm to deal with. He'd be the one forced to trigger article 50 as it's obvious that Cameron is going to leave that "legacy" to whoever's next, and it's his party that would get delegated the task from parliament of rewriting 40 years of UK law, and negotiating bilateral trade deals for the next decade (if the single market isn't viable).
He realised the situation he had created for himself, hence his subdued interviews ever since leave won. Under the circumstances though, he's pretty much forfeiting his right to ever run again surely? "In view of the circumstances in parliament". What a non statement. If he isn't up to taking this opportunity when everything was set up on a plate for him then I'm not sure he can ever be trusted to lead that party in the future. This opens a big door for Gove though, and that genuinely worries me. Some will see him as the only realistic and electable person from the tories that represents the leave side and willing to fulfill that mandate. Not sure how Theresa May is going to play this one. I have to be honest, I don't really want any of the potential candidates as conservative leader.
He realised the situation he had created for himself, hence his subdued interviews ever since leave won. Under the circumstances though, he's pretty much forfeiting his right to ever run again surely? "In view of the circumstances in parliament". What a non statement. If he isn't up to taking this opportunity when everything was set up on a plate for him then I'm not sure he can ever be trusted to lead that party in the future. This opens a big door for Gove though, and that genuinely worries me. Some will see him as the only realistic and electable person from the tories that represents the leave side and willing to fulfill that mandate. Not sure how Theresa May is going to play this one. I have to be honest, I don't really want any of the potential candidates as conservative leader.
Lol
I hate May, she introduced a lot of nonsense policies to scrub immigration and affected legitimate and profitable migrants like non EU students. But I do wonder how much of it was her and how much was just her going along with Tory policies because I do accept that being Home Secretary is a tough job and you'll get hated anyway.
What happened to Tak3n?
Having asked a few people I know voted leave, while not the exact same reasons of course, this is what's now making them doubt leave xD
SlipperyFishes
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The Lannsters sent their regards
I don't see how when shit hits the fan he can come in without taking any of the blame. From the outside looking in it seems like this year is his only shot to be the prime minister.
Lightning Count
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Thank goodness for small mercies, Boris just announced he won't run for PM.
Fuck could you imagine what would happen under his leadership, it would be a trainwreck.
Fuck could you imagine what would happen under his leadership, it would be a trainwreck.
Find out in 4-9 years what would happen!
SymbiantXenos
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Lost?
CharmingCharlie
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Meh never voted to take back control. I voted to give the EU the ability to take back control for itself. I have said this countless times it isn't about control it is about the fact we were never a willing participant in the EU.
The UK may or may not be better off outside the EU, but one thing is certain the EU will be better with the UK outside the EU. Besides when you look at the utter mess that the UK is in right now this actually might be a good thing. We have a lot of shit to sort out in this country. Maybe now with the EU out of the picture we can actually go about fixing some of the broken shit in this country.
I keep laughing and then remembering I live in this country
I'll give you this, the UK living half-in, half-out was never going to last forever, and it wasn't helping Europe. Personally I wish we'd just go all-in on Europe but while I'm at it I might as well wish for a billion pounds
I'll give you this, the UK living half-in, half-out was never going to last forever, and it wasn't helping Europe. Personally I wish we'd just go all-in on Europe but while I'm at it I might as well wish for a billion pounds
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
This is a very naive post!
That is some impressive logic you've got going there.
CharmingCharlie
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Now I remember why I stay out of posting in this topic.
Palculator
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Who would vote for that chinless streak of piss Gove
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
At least it's better spirited and meant than the arguments usually flown by most Leavers.
I can respect that.
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